StreetsofBeige
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Almost all of those games are sequels, and one is even a remake. And most are cross gen too.
Where's all the unique next gen only IPs like past gens?
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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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Where's all the unique next gen only IPs like past gens?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's definitely heading that way.
LordOcidax
Member
By a big margin…
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Does being a sequel or cross gen invalidate them? If so, cross off all the games on your precious Steam library
I understand that people may want new IP but it isn’t like you’re getting that from ANYONE.
All third parties and first parties are mostly relying on existing franchises
As long as those games are quality, I don’t really care
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DarkstarRising13
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And add more fuel to the flame:
-Lackluster third-party support, with few games that fully use the hardware.
-No backward compatibility with PS2 games.
-Very pain in the ass architecture to develop games for, with many said third-party games running worse compared to their Xbox 360 counterparts (glaring example: Bayonetta and all Bethesda games).
-Hardly any Japanese exclusives, with many companies like Capcom and Square Enix who used to develop exclusives for the PlayStation; due to high costs and the much easier development tools and growing popularity of the Xbox 360, they formally shifted to releasing previous PlayStation exclusives like Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy to other platforms. Don't even get me of the Tales Of Franchise where the PS3 Version of Tales of Vesperia wasn't released outside Japan until the Remastered version was released in 2019.
-Unstable framerate on multiple games, including first-party games like Ratchet and Clank and Infamous, where many of the games run below 30fps and/or unstable 60fps.
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marquimvfs
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Regarding software, every iteration is worse than the previous one. But given that PS5 runs the entire software library from PS4, and PS2 runs the entire library from PS1, I'd put them above their predecessors. So, PS2>PS1>PS3>PS5>PS4.
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viveks86
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Gt7, FW and Ragnarok should be considered under PS4 generation. The rest feels pretty weak for being 4 years in. I still have hope for the next 3 years, but so far it has been lackluster in my opinion
nial
Gold Member
Considering that most of Nintendo's output consists of externally-developed (or what people LOVE to call, second-party) games, I think we can all agree that Sony had a good 2024.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
No they shouldn’t. The latest console at the time of release is PS5 and also where the majority of game sales are
NeverYouMind
Member
Probably because if PS5 did not exist you could still get that experience on a PS4.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
So?
Does that mean BOTW isn’t going to count as switch game, using this stupid logic?
MALpractice311
Member
I can't say I haven't enjoyed my PS5, because there have been quite a few good next Gen games, but the PS5, and this whole generation in general, has seen a lot of wasted potential and a ridiculously slow output of new games, whether first or third party. I am still buying PS4 games fairly regularly due to how few new releases this gen has seen and that's not something that has happened with prior generations.
I also want to point out that this is not exclusive to Sony. Microsoft's output has been severely lacking as well this generation. This generation saw a perfect storm of
(1) The pandemic delaying everything,
(2) Post-pandemic inflation making everything expensive,
(3) Many game devs ignoring their paying audiences to placate extremists on Twitter who are way smaller in numbers and)or don't actually buy games,
(4) Live service/GAAS/"Our portfolio need a Fortnite" corporate greed and obsession,
(5) Devs using engines they don't understand, i.e. UE5, or minor graphical enhancements they don't understand, i.e. ray tracing, that have resulted in disasterous framerate and resolutions and numerous bug and glitches.
The hardware we have is darn good for $500 plug and play consoles, but due to all of the above, we just can't get enough high quality, regular releases that arrive fully finished.
I also want to point out that this is not exclusive to Sony. Microsoft's output has been severely lacking as well this generation. This generation saw a perfect storm of
(1) The pandemic delaying everything,
(2) Post-pandemic inflation making everything expensive,
(3) Many game devs ignoring their paying audiences to placate extremists on Twitter who are way smaller in numbers and)or don't actually buy games,
(4) Live service/GAAS/"Our portfolio need a Fortnite" corporate greed and obsession,
(5) Devs using engines they don't understand, i.e. UE5, or minor graphical enhancements they don't understand, i.e. ray tracing, that have resulted in disasterous framerate and resolutions and numerous bug and glitches.
The hardware we have is darn good for $500 plug and play consoles, but due to all of the above, we just can't get enough high quality, regular releases that arrive fully finished.
playbignbox
Member
Because cross-gen games are generally designed to run on older hardware (PS4, in this case), which limits how much they exploit the PS5's capabilities.
nial
Gold Member
If PS5 did not exist yet you would be playing Rise of the Ronin on PS4. Poor argument.
That has nothing to do with them being part of the overall output of the generation.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Well then even if it’s the worst generation , like sex or pizza it’s still ok
Ridicululzz
Member
For me? Yes, I would say it's definitely a weaker gen. I used to buy 3rd party games on my consoles back in the day, but since building a PC I mostly get third parties there now. For me it's probably something like:
PS2 > PS1 > PS4 > PS3 > PS5
I have barely touched my PS5 this gen aside from playing stuff like Stellar Blade and Rise of Ronin and some other multiplayer games with friends.
PS2 > PS1 > PS4 > PS3 > PS5
I have barely touched my PS5 this gen aside from playing stuff like Stellar Blade and Rise of Ronin and some other multiplayer games with friends.
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Moriarty1889
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PS5 has definitely underperformed compared to previous gens. The emphasis on GAAS, REMASTERS and third party timed exclusives over the brilliant SP AAA bangers they used to make has been the issue. Perhaps they are waking up slowly with the cancellation of many of the live service shite no one asked for. They need to move the HQ back to Japan as well to refocus the brand.
TheAtomicPile
Member
We're over 4 years in and have:
- 0 games from Naughty Dog
- 0 games from Sucker punch
- 1 (cross-gen) game from Santa Monica
So yes.
- 0 games from Naughty Dog
- 0 games from Sucker punch
- 1 (cross-gen) game from Santa Monica
So yes.
NeverYouMind
Member
I would not count it as a Switch exclusive game but it would still be a Nintendo exclusive (for now).
It would be developed targeting PS4 hardware so yes.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
???
So how is that different from any cross gen Sony games?
Fact remains, these games sold best on current gen consoles, pushed sales, and looked/performed significantly better than their last gen versions
Humdinger
Gold Member
Yes. Between the shift to Live service, the increasing wokeness, the embarrassment of Concord, the slow pace of SP games, and the increasing "corporate" feel of their leadership, I've lost confidence in them. I liked them during the PS3 and PS4 era, but they lost me this gen.
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nial
Gold Member
People won't change their stance on GAAS so whatever, but Sony focusing on remasters and third-party timed exclusives over their AAA SP games...? In what fucking world?
nial
Gold Member
That's why the "if it didn't exist" is a poor argument. The console exists and it has those games.
SolidQ
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
But they are changing their GAAS view. Sony has cancelled around 8 (give or take) of their new GAAS games the past year or two. They released H2, released and retracted Concord, got a handful in the hopper and the rest gone. The Sony exec even said they are going to reevaluate their GAAS games. And just this past week two more got booted.
Bernardougf
Member
Easily ... Sony GAAS push and the insane development times imploded first party productivity compared to previous gens, there is zero inovation and too much DEI crapping up everything.
My Plastation is for the first time a 3rd party machine.
My Plastation is for the first time a 3rd party machine.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
if I’m judging by Sony games, I’m a bit meh on this generation with Returnal being easily their best new IP. Other stuff was just more of the same and getting a bit tired of it. Hardware is great though.
nial
Gold Member
I'm talking about the people here, not Sony.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Here
Category:PlayStation 4-only games - Wikipedia
Category:PlayStation 3-only games - Wikipedia
Category:PlayStation 2-only games - Wikipedia
Isa
Member
I actually enjoy my PS5(and now Pro) for the most part save for some game issues that I hadn't experienced much in prior generations. This gen is the worst by far for most companies in my humble opinion, and the industry could tank because of it, in fact I think it will and hard if it doesn't course correct. But several factors have to be there including customers actually supporting quality content. But I digress, I think this is Sony's worst gen as of yet simply for decisions made, my complete disdain for artistic choices and despite a few good second party titles and first, most of their hyped up stuff is still just derivative of PS3 era game design, mainly Ubisoft and Last of Uncharted stuff.
Thankfully there are other things to play from third party and indie publishers and I can afford other systems. Everything I've been playing lately doesn't even begin to push the hardware. But access to prior generation's games, solid party features and faster loading make it a decent if not good system. If they lacked third party support it'd be very different.
Thankfully there are other things to play from third party and indie publishers and I can afford other systems. Everything I've been playing lately doesn't even begin to push the hardware. But access to prior generation's games, solid party features and faster loading make it a decent if not good system. If they lacked third party support it'd be very different.
ToneyJ
Member
well said bro. Playstation used to be so cool and felt like they really had their finger on the pulse of gaming. Now they're just a bunch of corporate lames chasing trends.
Also theyre pathetically un-japanese now, from their leadership to their performance in Japan to their acts like closing down Japan Studio. Total disgrace of a division.
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Ceadeus
Gold Member
Gaming has gradually and rapidly gained popularity over time and it would explain why the PS5 is so successful. Not because it's the best but because gaming is popular and so do Sony Playstation.
The PS5 library has been the weakest compared to previous generations imo.
playbignbox
Member
Why the PS5 is the worst PlayStation home console yet:
- Games being ported to PC (there is no longer the added value of exclusive games for the brand)
- Many crossgen games that do not take full advantage of the hardware's potential
- Several games being canceled
- A lot of forced woke shit in games
- Price increases (both on the console and online service)
- Temporary exclusives (which everyone knows are temporary) that do not add any value to the console's library in the end, unless you have FOMO syndrome
I think there are more negative points, but I believe these are the worst.
- Games being ported to PC (there is no longer the added value of exclusive games for the brand)
- Many crossgen games that do not take full advantage of the hardware's potential
- Several games being canceled
- A lot of forced woke shit in games
- Price increases (both on the console and online service)
- Temporary exclusives (which everyone knows are temporary) that do not add any value to the console's library in the end, unless you have FOMO syndrome
I think there are more negative points, but I believe these are the worst.
NeverYouMind
Member
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
95% of the anti-PS3 talk I'm reading in this thread is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read on GAF
Revisionist history and other bullshit not even worth responding to
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Fair enough. I thought your sentence was solely talking Sony.
nial
Gold Member
2007 was indeed the best year of the console and the second half of the console sucked.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I noticed that too. Scrolled down. What, it only goes to E or G? Or shit, multi pages! lolPS2 is so stacked they needed several pages.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Revisionist history would be putting it on a pedestal
It was the largest failure of any Sony console, got rid of BC, was more expensive, a year later, had worse third party ports, had an inferior online infrastructure that was slow to adapt, was outsold by its primary competitor for most of the gen, and didn’t have any noteworthy exclusives until the latter half
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The Pleasure
Member
Where's Tokyo Jungle, Fat Princess, Rain, Puppeteer, Echochrome, PAIN, Siren, 3d Dot Game Heroes, Folklore, and EA Tetris?
SolidQ
Member
Anyone who says this unironically either is too young to have lived through the PS3 generation or has the most rose-tinted glasses ever.
The PS3 gen was an absolute disaster. For years, multiplatform games performed and looked worse on the PS3 vs. 360, and there were even some later in the system's life that had issues, like Red Dead Redemption. There were also games like Mass Effect or Dead Rising that either took a long time to come to PS3 or never came at all. A LOT of the first party exclusives that came out during the time were also ass. Killzone and Resistance were mediocre at best. Infamous was boring as fuck. God of War was already stale. Gran Turismo used fucking PS2 models and was way behind Forza Motorsport of the time.
The PS3 gen was an absolute disaster. For years, multiplatform games performed and looked worse on the PS3 vs. 360, and there were even some later in the system's life that had issues, like Red Dead Redemption. There were also games like Mass Effect or Dead Rising that either took a long time to come to PS3 or never came at all. A LOT of the first party exclusives that came out during the time were also ass. Killzone and Resistance were mediocre at best. Infamous was boring as fuck. God of War was already stale. Gran Turismo used fucking PS2 models and was way behind Forza Motorsport of the time.
- Good, though 1 was ROUGH before the remaster on PS4 cleaned it up.
- Good
- I literally bought the 80 GB MGS4 bundle when it came out just to play MGS4. 100% worth it.
- Series was already stale and was behind DMC and Ninja Gaiden.
- Ass
- Overrated, though 3 is the best of them.
- Terrible. Even Halo 4 was better than either of them
- Completely generic.
- Not an exclusive
- Awesome
- Cool, but this would be called a "perfect game pass game" if were released today
- Good.
The only one I can think of is Bayonetta.
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