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[Mibu no ookami]

After my 360 rrod, Playstation has been the exclusive console I’ve played on. I briefly dabbled with PC gaming and spent $6000 dollars on a titan X SLI setup. It turned obsolete within 2 years and I sold it all as it was taking up space in my apartment. I’m as close to a dedicated fan that Sony can hope for. So the list in my head is for all games. Not just exclusives. There was a time when I’d have something new and exciting every single month. Was the case for every generation until the PS5. Now it’s every 3 to 6 months. And even those are rarely new IPs.

I have no scarcity of games though, which is why I had no hesitation to upgrade to the pro. I’m still working my way through Witcher 3! Like you said, there is no shortage of games to play. The output just feels a lot less exciting for the console in hand, with the endless remakes, remasters and sequels. Need more of that Intergalactic excitement in my veins, where we can speculate what the hell the game is even going to be like, instead of a bunch of known quantities. Even astrobot felt like a known quantity. It’s exciting as a game, but doesn’t mark the generation for me like when a brand new IP shows up. And there is a major dearth of brand new IPs now than ever before

But why pretend like that's exclusive to Sony?

Sony has created more hit new IP in the last 8 years than any other company... They've already tried to deliver more hit IP

Astro Bot
Ghost
Horizon
Spider-Man*
Death Stranding**

Returnal
Dreams
Stellar Blade**
Rise of the Ronin**

I feel like gamers have the shortest memory and strangest barometers.

Sony just delivered Astro Bot GOTY for 2024 and they still get hate.

New IP? This year alone is going to bring Marathon and maybe Wolverine*. Then we have Intergalactic coming probably this year or next year. And that's just stuff we know about.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But why pretend like that's exclusive to Sony?

Sony has created more hit new IP in the last 8 years than any other company... They've already tried to deliver more hit IP

Astro Bot
Ghost
Horizon
Spider-Man*
Death Stranding**

Returnal
Dreams
Stellar Blade**
Rise of the Ronin**

I feel like gamers have the shortest memory and strangest barometers.

Sony just delivered Astro Bot GOTY for 2024 and they still get hate.

New IP? This year alone is going to bring Marathon and maybe Wolverine*. Then we have Intergalactic coming probably this year or next year. And that's just stuff we know about.

Helldivers 2 might as well be a new IP and that’s another amazing game last year people conveniently forget

I sometimes feel like certain people on this board aren’t really gamers but just like to do nothing but complain…

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Helldivers 2 might as well be a new IP and that’s another amazing game last year people conveniently forget

I sometimes feel like certain people on this board aren’t really gamers but just like to do nothing but complain…

Complaining is a hobby in itself.

2024 was supposed to be a weak year for sony but they delivered Helldivers 2 and Astro Bot. The only way to play every GOTY nominee last year was on PS5.

Sony is doing better than every company under the sun with existing IP and new IP, but somehow it's not enough.

Unless they come out with 5 games in a year, which they never did in the past, it's no good. The reverse scale in which Sony is graded by people is outrageous, but you were on to your commentary earlier. A lot of them are xbox and pcmr fans who are just salty. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

The same people who say Sony's games aren't exclusive will make lists with a bunch of games that got ported to PC in the late 90s. Nobody cared back then, because Sony's games were largely dogshit and so were the ports.

 

[viveks86]

But why pretend like that's exclusive to Sony?

Sony has created more hit new IP in the last 8 years than any other company... They've already tried to deliver more hit IP

Astro Bot
Ghost
Horizon
Spider-Man*
Death Stranding**

Returnal
Dreams
Stellar Blade**
Rise of the Ronin**

I feel like gamers have the shortest memory and strangest barometers.

Sony just delivered Astro Bot GOTY for 2024 and they still get hate.

New IP? This year alone is going to bring Marathon and maybe Wolverine*. Then we have Intergalactic coming probably this year or next year. And that's just stuff we know about.

I didn’t say the problem is exclusive to Sony. It is industry wide. Out of your list, only 4 are new IPs on the PS5. The rest started on PS4. And neither stellar blade nor rise of the ronin are my cup of tea. They didn’t move the industry either, so I can’t even objectively consider them. So am I supposed to vote in favor of the Ps5 generation based on 2 new IPs?

Like my first post on this thread, i certainly have hope for the rest of the generation since half the PS studios are yet to put out a game. But I’m voting as of today.

For me it would be PS2 -> ps4 -> ps -> ps3 -> ps5*

*as of today

 

[existensmaximum]

PS3 > PS4 > PS1 > PS2 >>>>>>>>>>>> PS5

 

[gow3isben]

PS3 votes make me want to throttle someone.

Best console and library of all time by FAR for any company

PS2 is second after and PS4 is after that.


PS5 obviously the worst by a landslide.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I didn’t say the problem is exclusive to Sony. It is industry wide. Out of your list, only 4 are new IPs on the PS5. The rest started on PS4. And neither stellar blade nor rise of the ronin are my cup of tea. They didn’t move the industry either, so I can’t even objectively consider them. So am I supposed to vote in favor of the Ps5 generation based on 2 new IPs?

Like my first post on this thread, i certainly have hope for the rest of the generation since half the PS studios are yet to put out a game. But I’m voting as of today.

For me it would be PS2 -> ps4 -> ps -> ps3 -> ps5*

*as of today

I mean it's your problem if you're exclusively playing new IP. I don't really care when an IP started.

I first played Persona 5 on PS4. I don't care when the IP started. If you look for games you can find them. If you decide you want to be cynical and stand on the sidelines, you can do that too.

Moving the industry? What Sony games moved the industry on PS1 and PS2? Even on PS3 it was only Uncharted 2 and TLOU. Why is that your barometer?

At the end of the day I don't care, I just think you're being intellectually dishonest and clearly biased.

 

[Effigenius]

Well it obviously hasn’t since it’s life isn’t over, but it’s looking dire.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The problem with this list is that the vast majority of the games listed, nobody would be interested in playing. They rely on much lower budget AA titles that are in genres that nobody plays. Outside of a few, they were never considered marquee titles of the generation that went on to sell incredibly well.

I'm not discounting these games entirely, but let's not suggest that something like Cool Borders or Jet Moto is on the same level of significance collectively as a single entry into God of War or something like Helldivers.

This isn't quantity list war.

What a shock, you ask for a list of games and when someone provided a list that dwarfs your paltry list of PS5 games, suddenly the other consoles games weren’t really all that special and no one wanted to play them. Yeah, they only made like six Cool Boarders because they weren’t popular

And yeah a lot of those games had budgets that aren’t as big as PS5 Sony titles but no shit, dev costs were a lot lower back then and maybe if Sony focused more on lower budget titles, your PS5 list wouldn’t be full of remakes and third party stuff and cross gen games. Also wow the games back then sold less. Super Metroid is no longer a timeless classic because it didn’t sell as much as *insert random PS5 banger here*. Also no, Helldivers 2 isn’t “basically a new IP”. It is a sequel to a popular title. You’re desperate.

 

[adamsapple]

PS5 obviously the worst by a landslide.

 

[Kacho]

Damn those poll results are talking shit, James Sawyer Ford

 

[viveks86]

I mean it's your problem if you're exclusively playing new IP. I don't really care when an IP started.

I first played Persona 5 on PS4. I don't care when the IP started. If you look for games you can find them. If you decide you want to be cynical and stand on the sidelines, you can do that too.

Moving the industry? What Sony games moved the industry on PS1 and PS2? Even on PS3 it was only Uncharted 2 and TLOU. Why is that your barometer?

At the end of the day I don't care, I just think you're being intellectually dishonest and clearly biased.

We are all just sharing whatever floats our boat, man. If your way of thinking is the only “honest” way to think, then there’s no point debating anything. We are both being honest, but I’m already starting to see the comments becoming more ad hominem and less friendly. So I’ll see myself out of this topic. Cheers!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I can only imagine the PS3 voters are voting for it because of sales or something. Objectively the game library shits on PS5, especially first party.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Let’s throw up a poll about Xbox and see how much you love it

 

[Sakura]

PS5 is the only Sony console I haven't bought, so I would say it is the worst (as in least appealing).
Personally I would say PS1 > PS2 > PS3 > PS4 > PSP > Vita > PS5.

 

[SlimySnake]

Ps5 - 4 years in
Demon souls
Ratchet
Returnal
Spider-Man 2
Astrobot
Helldivers 2

Ps4 4 years in
Kzsf
Infamous
Driveclub
The order
Bloodborne
Until Dawn
Uncharted 4
The last guardian
Ratchet remake
Horizon
Uncharted lost legacy
Gt sports

Ps3 4 years in
Resistance 1
Motorstorm
Warhawk
heavenly sword
Ratchet
Uncharted 1
Lbp
Socom confrontation
Resistance 2
Motorstorm pacific rift
Kz2
Infamous
Uncharted
Mag
Gow3
Heavy rain
Gt5

Good job shutting down incognito, zipper, evolution studios, Team ico, and giving up on ready at dawn and Quantic dream only to invest in new trashy gaas studios who had never shipped a game like firewalk, deviation and Jade Raymond’s new studio.

 

[hinch7]

I think 3rd party output is worse than ever, which doesn't do the PS5 any favours. Western publishers have gone to complete shit.

True that certainly doesn't help matters. I've seen many of my favorite studios crumble these past few years; due to hubris or chasing trends. Whether its going after that GaaS money or some bullshittery and heavy handed DEI. Sometimes both. And Sony going in hard (and failing) and wasting a generation pisses me off.

Thankfully we have GOAT's like Capcom and FROM keeping the wheels going. Heck, even SEGA have been killingit lately.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Good job shutting down incognito, zipper, evolution studios, Team ico, and giving up on ready at dawn and Quantic dream

All studios that were failures, I don’t miss them one bit other than Team ICO, but SCEJ was responsible for salvaging TLG debacle out of dev hell

 

[Mibu no ookami]

We are all just sharing whatever floats our boat, man. If your way of thinking is the only “honest” way to think, then there’s no point debating anything. We are both being honest, but I’m already starting to see the comments becoming more ad hominem and less friendly. So I’ll see myself out of this topic. Cheers!

I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking why does a game "moving the industry" matter to you?

What games moved the industry from Sony on PS1 and PS2?

Why does it seem like the barometer for Sony has shifted, when they're really the only one in the industry having consistent success with established and new IP. Can you name a few companies that are even in the same ballpark?

CDPR made Cyberpunk, but that's literally 1 IP on top of the Witcher. For a total of 2.
What new IP has Nintendo made outside of Splatoon recently?
T2? EA? Activision? Ubisoft? Microsoft?

Sony probably has more success with new IP in the last decade than all of these companies combined... So it's just head scratching that the refrain against Sony is a lack of new IP or even that they're making sequels to recent IP as if any other company gets lambasted for that.

 

[Roberts]

Don't know if it is the worst Its game library is pretty lacklustre. Doesn't help that all of its big releases (sequels to much better games) have been disappointing.

 

[gow3isben]

All studios that were failures, I don’t miss them one bit other than Team ICO, but SCEJ was responsible for salvaging TLG debacle out of dev hell

Ready at Dawn was so talented dude.

God of War Ghost of Sparta was imo top 3 of the Greek Saga. Such a good game.

Order 1886 had insane potential as the story and characters and graphics were amazing. Gunplay was rock solid. Just a few changes to gameplay, set-pieces, and boss battles and a sequel could be an all-timer.

 

[Heisenberg007]

LMAO

 

[Touch fuzZy. get BizZay]

For me I personally hated PS3 for a while because I loved MGS3 and RE4 and was excited to play their sequels when I got a PS3, but MGS4 and RE5 were vastly inferior games.

It took a few years before games I liked came along like demons souls and dark souls. Maybe its too early to call it for PS5. It has been around for years but maybe its best years are ahead

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Good job shutting down incognito, zipper, evolution studios, Team ico, and giving up on ready at dawn and Quantic dream only to invest in new trashy gaas studios who had never shipped a game like firewalk, deviation and Jade Raymond’s new studio.

Incognito - Every game they made after Twisted Metal Black was trash...
Zipper Interactive - SOCOM 3 and 4 were bombs and so was SOCOM Confrontation (Slant Six) and MAG
Evolution Studios - Put out several bombs
Team ICO - TLG took nearly a decade to make and they haven't made anything since. Why does Team ICO get a pass for their long development times (plus their broken games)?
Ready At Dawn - You mean the studio that Meta closed?
Quantic Dream - What have they put out since Detroit Become Human? Again, why do they get a pass?

Why not invest in studios that haven't shipped games? You realize what a start up is right?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Ready at Dawn was so talented dude.

God of War Ghost of Sparta was imo top 3 of the Greek Saga. Such a good game.

Order 1886 had insane potential as the story and characters and graphics were amazing. Gunplay was rock solid. Just a few changes to gameplay, set-pieces, and boss battles and a sequel could be an all-timer.

Eh, they were talented at making a pretty looking game.

The Order was a flop that didn’t have anywhere near as much substance as it should have. Maybe they should have been given a second chance but I don’t blame Sony for moving on

 

[veterangamerUK]

These games were huge in their heyday and a ton of the games I listed were considered system sellers.

You can't tell him, he's in complete denial

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Eh, they were talented at making a pretty looking game.

The Order was a flop that didn’t have anywhere near as much substance as it should have. Maybe they should have been given a second chance but I don’t blame Sony for moving on

I believe in cultivating franchises, but what people have to realize is that sequential franchises like people want in The Order, are difficult because people won't buy the sequel if they didn't play the first game in many cases. It's hard to sell a sequel to a game that bombed entirely and reviewed poorly.

That's why Sony has changed its strategy to make their games more evergreen. Remastered and remakes and sequels that don't have to have the same character.

Ghost is going to be an evergreen franchise for example. After Horizon 3, Aloy's story is probably over and Horizon will live on as a live service franchise and Guerrilla will probably move on to something else.

But that's why they remade Until Dawn. The same people hoping studios get second chances when their games don't sell will be the first ones to berate Sony for making transmedia.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Ps5 - 4 years in
Demon souls
Ratchet
Returnal
Spider-Man 2
Astrobot
Helldivers 2

Ps4 4 years in
Kzsf
Infamous
Driveclub
The order
Bloodborne
Until Dawn
Uncharted 4
The last guardian
Ratchet remake
Horizon
Uncharted lost legacy
Gt sports

Ps3 4 years in
Resistance 1
Motorstorm
Warhawk
heavenly sword
Ratchet
Uncharted 1
Lbp
Socom confrontation
Resistance 2
Motorstorm pacific rift
Kz2
Infamous
Uncharted
Mag
Gow3
Heavy rain
Gt5

Good job shutting down incognito, zipper, evolution studios, Team ico, and giving up on ready at dawn and Quantic dream only to invest in new trashy gaas studios who had never shipped a game like firewalk, deviation and Jade Raymond’s new studio.

/Lost guy

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

The PS3 had a rough start, yet it still managed to hype me up if not for sheer insanity of the hardware itself. The gen obviously ended on a strong note. The library is full of creative games with attitude. The PS5 on the other hand feels like a wet fart, like if Sony themselves don't care about it. Games are bland and uninspired, super "safe" and far in between. As a kid I could've never imagined that, when we finally reach the point of processing power on this level, the energy of game designers would be in this sorry state.

 

[Three]

PS4:

• Killzone: Shadow Fall
• Resogun
• Infamous: Second Son
• The Last of Us: Remastered
• Driveclub
• LittleBigPlanet 3
• The Order 1886
• Helldivers
• Ratchet & Clank
• Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
• The Last Guardian
• Gravity Rush 2
• Horizon Zero Dawn
• Uncharted: The Lost Legacy
• Gran Turismo Sport

This is not even including exclusives that were not internally published like countless Final Fantasy games, Ridge Racer games, Tekken games, Metal Gear games, Grand Theft Auto games, FROM games, Quantic Dream games, Until Dawn, etc.. etc.. etc..

You've done some real padding there with a PS3 remaster and standalone DLC.
If you do the same with the PS5 you would have

• Returnal
• Demon's Souls
• The Last of Us part 1
• Sackboy A big adventure
• The Last of Us part 2
• God of war ragnarok
• Helldivers 2
• Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
• Astrobot
• Horizon Forbidden West
• Spiderman 2
• Miles Morales
• Gran Turismo 7
• Stellar Blade
• Rise of the Ronin

"This is not even including exclusives that were not internally published like countless FF games, until dawn"

It's really not that different especially when you consider the fact that dev times have increased but the 4 year output hasn't changed by much and is still good. Gaming seems to have just turned into whining.

 

[Three]

Ps5 - 4 years in
Demon souls
Ratchet
Returnal
Spider-Man 2
Astrobot
Helldivers 2

Cute dismissing games just because of 'crossgen'. Look above for a real list of games.

 

[pasterpl]

I'm a little surprised by all this PS3 talk. It was the generation that brought us these exclusives:

• Uncharted 1, 2, and 3
• The Last of Us
• Metal Gear Solid 4
• God of War III
• LittleBigPlanet and it's sequels
• Resistance 1, 2 and 3
• Killzone 2 and 3
• inFAMOUS 1 and 2
• Dark Souls
• Demon's Souls
• Journey
• Ni No Kuni

Wasn’t it also gen that brought us motostorm, PlayStation home, heavenly sword etc. ? So many new IPs etc. Proper sequels, not remakes and remasters.

 

[Billbofet]

Yeah, this is my least favorite gen of all. So boring and uninspired compared to a few years back. Nintendo is the only one trying and just barely. Zzzzzzzzzz

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Wasn’t it also gen that brought us motostorm, PlayStation home, heavenly sword etc. ? So many new IPs etc. Proper sequels, not remakes and remasters.

Yep, that was PS3. So much new IP and great games. Opposite of the PS5.

 

[Represent.]

Yall notice how the generation that focused on framerate ended up being the worst generation?

Me too

No one is pushing the fucking envelope

 

[viveks86]

I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking why does a game "moving the industry" matter to you?

Read that sentence again in context of what I said. Those 2 games are not my cup of tea. And if they are not my cup of tea, the only way I will consider it in a vote is if it is a massive success like a helldivers or Palworld. Heck, even soulslikes are not my cup of tea even though I keep trying to get into them. But I would certainly consider them towards the generation they were built for, because I know how big they are for the community. Like I already said, my vote goes to the generation that got ME excited.

I also clarified that my vote is to the overall new gaming IPs coming out during that generation and not specific to Sony’s output. Because that’s what excites ME the most. You still keep bringing up “what about the others?”. I’m not a Sony hater by a mile. Their platform is literally where all my gaming is done. And I’m happy with the hobby as well. But if the OP wants me to compare generations, then that’s what I would do. I vote for which generation kept me hooked and excited the most.

Now you can come back and say you don’t care about what excites me and you can demand an objective analysis of each and every game that I didn’t even play. I can’t do that. And honestly, neither can you. We can only vote based on what we actually experienced.

I wasn’t referring to your response to me being ad hominem, but I’m seeing meta commentary about how “some people are not real gamers” or they have some hidden agenda to vote here against PS5 or “they just like to complain and complaining is their hobby hahaha” type posts and i find that behavior to be really juvenile, to be honest. Makes me want to leave. Still bothering to respond because you seem interested in my thoughts.

 

[adamsapple]

Yep, that was PS3. So much new IP and great games. Opposite of the PS5.

I'm gonna ask the real question.

Haze vs Concord

 

[Hydroxy]

Absolutely. Technically PS5 is quite a good gen but in regards to games its the worst Playstation generation. PS2>PS1>PS3>PS4>PS5

 

[TMLT]

That many people voting PS3? wtf?

 

[Kacho]

That many people voting PS3? wtf?

i have imagine it’s a cop out vote for some to take heat off of the PS5.

But to be fair, the PS3 was full of inferior 3rd party games due to Cell.

 

[SweetTooth]

Still better than anything offered by the competition.

MS? Lol

Nintendo? Kiddy toy stuck two generations behind.

 

[Randall365]

Having lived through them, each one has got progressively better. There seem to be fewer games now, but they take a lot longer to play. I have put 140 hours into Elden Ring and have not finished the dlc yet.

 

[Three]

Still better than anything offered by the competition.

MS? Lol

Nintendo? Kiddy toy stuck two generations behind.

Pretty much although I don't agree with "kiddy toy". If you start applying the dumb criteria people apply you would even have the biggest switch games like Mario Kart 8, Breath Of the Wild, splatoon, etc disappearing as 'games' due to them being crossgen. The switch would have been shit yet nobody complains. If you start going down the "new ip", "1st party dev" route you pretty much have a baron wasteland too because new IP isn't Nintendo's forte.

I've never seen so much stupidity in trying to dismiss games. PS just had an amazing year of games with Helldivers 2, FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, and Astrobot and yet people are inventing ways to dismiss games and paint this picture that this and that don't count. It's sad that some are buying into their silly ideas instead of just playing and enjoying the games. Looking forward to this year too with the likes of Death Stranding 2 even if "that don't count either".

 

[Hudo]

Not yet. But it's getting there. Especially if Sony decide to release the PS6 in late 2026 or in 2027.

 

[SweetTooth]

Pretty much although I don't agree with "kiddy toy". If you start applying the dumb criteria people apply you would even have the biggest switch games like Mario Kart 8, Breath Of the Wild, splatoon, etc disappearing as 'games' due to them being crossgen. The switch would have been shit yet nobody complains. If you start going down the "new ip", "1st party dev" route you pretty much have a baron wasteland too because new IP isn't Nintendo's forte.

I've never seen so much stupidity in trying to dismiss games. PS just had an amazing year of games with Helldivers 2, FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, and Astrobot and yet people are inventing ways to dismiss games and paint this picture that this and that don't count. It's sad that some are buying into their silly ideas instead of just playing and enjoying the games. Looking forward to this year too with the likes of Death Stranding 2 even if "that don't count either".

I agree, Nintendo needs to be grilled for their safe and lackluster efforts in creating new IPs.

 

[DenchDeckard]

 

[N30RYU]

Short answer.... YES

 

[Barakov]

In my opinion, outside of some type of a miracle in the next few years, the answer is definitely "yes". Particularly with the news of Bend's and Bluepoint's projects being canned.

There's been some good/great games, but just no where near the level of Sony's past generations thus far.


Personally, I'd rank the generations as such:

1. Playstation 2
2. Playstation 4
3. Playstation 3
4. Playstation
5. Playstation 5

As far as new games coming out I actually care about, yeah probably. The only new Sony games I was actually psyched about was Demon's Souls(remake) and Ratchet and Clank : Rift Apart. And to be fair that wasn't even close to being the best Ratchet game. It was solid for sure but not Insomiac's best effort. But after Spiderman 2 it's clear Insomniac is not same developer that made the previous R&C games.

 

[Emedan]

Lmao at all the "PS5 is the best cause quick loading times" meanwhile there's no games to take advantage of this. Goes for Xbox this gen too mind you.

Edit:
Since my point seem to have been missed by quite a few I'll add that there's no exclusive games worth playing. What have this this feature that's being lauded actually helped in giving you more and better games? Just because games technically load faster now than before, does that make the generation better? PS2 had way slower load times but an infinitely bigger pool of good games.

 

[elhav]

Games wise? PS5 has the weakest lineup (talking exclusives here).

Hardware wise? The PS3 was, in its first half, a big expensive, not really backwards compatible, busted up piece of shit with no games. Then Sony fixed it.

The PS5 has great hardware and it is better to play PS4 games on it, but they're still PS4 games, and PS5 exclusives are few and far between