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[Madserb2023]

The way I see it is that I have owned about every system since the the early nineties, but there is always one system per generation that got the most play time. Even though I preferred the N64, I played the PlayStation 1 more. Again, I preferred the Game Cube but just due to the sheer amount of games I played the PS2 the most. I played the PS4 most last generation, plus it was just a far better system than the Xbox One. Even though I actually like the Series X more as a piece of hardware, I have played the PS5 a little more. However, I played the Xbox 360 probably ten times more than the PlayStation 3. It's the only Sony console I owned that I barely played.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Halo CE, Gears E-Day, FH6 are more tantalising to me than anything Sony is putting out next year, those first 2 games are getting me right in the nostalgias.

Look forward to playing those but have to admit, Wolverine impressed me, I didn't think they would go that violent with it

 

[Diego Brasil]

Multiple cross-gen games on the PS5 side, tho. Not sure if they would be counted as notches on the PS5's belt.


GT, Horizon, Ragnarok, Miles Morales.

Same for Stray, Kena, Sifu and Tchia.

You can also remove Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 from the PS4 side, I guess, cause they were cross-gen to PS3.

These are games released for the PS5 generation... releasing a stripped-down PS4 version is a commercial strategy.

If Nintendo wanted, they would release a stripped-down version of Donkey Kong Bananza and Mario Kart 8 for the Switch 1. That would be possible... but it's not their strategy.

It's important to know when these games were released... and they were on the PS5 generation...

A stripped-down version for the previous generation is not considered to be an attempt to make more money.

 

[Sephiran]

PS5 is doing exactly what Sony wants it to do, be a GAAS station people use to play Fortnite and Genshin, the only problem they have with it is that they haven't managed to make a first party GAAS that can get into that GAAS money train.

 

[Baemono]

If you compare it to the PS4 during the same period, games made by Sony's studios are only two games apart.

Now, the PS4 has had more games made by other studios but exclusive (Sony IPs) if you compare it during the same period (despite bad games like The Tomorrow Children, Shadow of the Beast, The Order, and Until Dawn).

In the next two years

studios sony: we'll have Intergalactic, Wolverine, Saros, Venom, New Horizons, and a new Santa Monica game.

in addition to partner games (temporary console exclusives): nioh 3, phantom blade zero, MARVEL Tōkon: Fighting Souls...etc

All before the PS6 launches.

You forgot Until Dawn remake I believe, and Destruction All Stars

 

[Diego Brasil]

FTFY

Why did they remove games released for the PS5 and the PS5 generation?

These games only have a capped PS4 version (commercial strategy), but they are games released on the PS5 generation

 

[Robb]

Why did they remove games released for the PS5 and the PS5 generation?

These games only have a capped PS4 version (commercial strategy), but they are games released on the PS5 generation

It says exclusive everywhere. The removed titles are not (for Ps5).

 

[Clear]

It's the main reason why you buy a specific console.

Speak for yourself. Its certainly not a consideration for me.

What's much more significant in my choice is maintaining my pre-existing digital library, whether the hardware fulfils my needs, and all-round convenience.

And if 1st party games you're interested in aren't coming frequently enough you end up like me with dusty consoles and playing on PC instead and considering skipping the next console.

I just want games I want to play. Who happens to provide them is irrelevant beyond availability for the hardware I have.

Switch 2 is also collecting dust right now. My kids use it though so it's not collecting dust at least, but for me personally it's been a disappointment.

Nintendo has the best first-party in the industry; this has been true for decades.

However, as the type of game that they produce isn't my bag, that "advantage" is irrelevant to me.
I appreciate the value for people who have a long-standing love of Mario, Zelda, and all their other blue-chip franchises - and I give credit where its due even though personally its why I've not bought Nintendo hardware in years.

The reality is games take way too long to make and cost way too much to produce these days to not pick your platform based on reasons in the vein of those I stated at the top of this post PLUS the overall combined line-up expected to be published on that platform.

 

[adamsapple]

These are games released for the PS5 generation... releasing a stripped-down PS4 version is a commercial strategy.

Why did they remove games released for the PS5 and the PS5 generation?

If the game is available on last gen, it's not exactly a 'current gen' game.

Is the discussion is if games have been released regardless of hardware, or if games have been release that utilize the current gen.

 

[TheGodfather07]

PS5 is gonna be remembered as the GTA VI and xbox dying generation.

 

[Banjo64]

12 hundred votes and over 800 of them for the PS5. Brutal.

 

[reinking]

Multiple cross-gen games on the PS5 side, tho. Not sure if they would be counted as notches on the PS5's belt.


GT, Horizon, Ragnarok, Miles Morales.

Same for Stray, Kena, Sifu and Tchia.

You can also remove Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 from the PS4 side, I guess, cause they were cross-gen to PS3.

If they have a PS5 version, why would they not count?

 

[reinking]

It says exclusive everywhere. The removed titles are not (for Ps5).

If the game is available on last gen, it's not exactly a 'current gen' game.

Is the discussion is if games have been released regardless of hardware, or if games have been release that utilize the current gen.

We should probably remove remakes too.

 

[adamsapple]

If they have a PS5 version, why would they not count?

They're they also have PS4 versions, they're still continuing the 'life of the PS4 console' title of the picture, if Diego wants to add them to the PS4 column as well, that's fair.

 

[reinking]

They're they also have PS4 versions, they're still continuing the 'life of the PS4 console' title of the picture, if Diego wants to add them to the PS4 column as well, that's fair.

Sure. I guess. Why not?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

If the game is available on last gen, it's not exactly a 'current gen' game.

Is the discussion is if games have been released regardless of hardware, or if games have been release that utilize the current gen.

PS5 now plays host to a whole plethora of Microsoft games, the only PlayStation to do so.

If YOU think PS5 is the worst PlayStation in light of this then you really don't hold Microsoft's games in high regard do you.

 

[Lightbreak]

What amazing new IPs have we gotten this gen? Returnal? Sony has lost the plot.

Astro Bot and Stellar Blade says hello, you should played them, best of this gen

 

[adamsapple]

PS5 now plays host to a whole plethora of Microsoft games, the only PlayStation to do so.

If YOU think PS5 is the worst PlayStation in light of this then you really don't hold Microsoft's games in high regard do you.

PS5 is the worst playstation gen in reference to the (lack of) first party output. Games getting late ports from other consoles doesn't change that.

Did you notice Diego didn't put games like MLB in his chart cause they're not PS5 exclusive/timed either?

 

[Lightbreak]

I think the PS5 is a really good gen. Better than PS3. We have almost all Xbox games, Dual Sense, new amazing IPs like Returnal and Astro Bot then the best AAA IP of this generation: Stellar Blade.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

PS5 is the worst playstation gen in reference to the (lack of) first party output. Games getting late ports from other consoles doesn't change that.

Did you notice Diego didn't put games like MLB in his chart cause they're not PS5 exclusive/timed either?

The thread title should be clear about that as per the poll.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

PS5 now plays host to a whole plethora of Microsoft games, the only PlayStation to do so.

If YOU think PS5 is the worst PlayStation in light of this then you really don't hold Microsoft's games in high regard do you.

This entire thread was based on first party output by Sony, you know that right?

 

[Kilau]

Astro Bot and Stellar Blade says hello, you should played them, best of this gen

Astro Bot is a PS4 gen IP but yeah, the PS5 game and the tech showcase are great. Sony didn't create Stellar Blade.

 

[reinking]

Astro Bot is a PS4 gen IP

Now we can't use an IP from a previous gen?

 

[MisterXDTV]

Now we can't use an IP from a previous gen?

Actually AstroBot became big the minute they included PlayRoom on every PS5 for free

So to not call it a PS5 IP seems like a stretch to me

It became Sony mascot with PS5

 

[RetroGamingUK]

This entire thread was based on first party output by Sony, you know that right?

Then the mods need to change the title to reflect the poll.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Then the mods need to change the title to reflect the poll.

Or people should just read the post?

Its not that confusing

 

[AmuroChan]

I still think its wild so many people voted ps3, there are so many incredible important games that come from that era. I dream of a time when things could be that exciting again.

I voted PS3. While there were a lot of great games from 1st party that gen, there were too many 3rd party games that ran like dogshit on PS3. Also the Sixaxis controller was just an abomination compared to the 360 controller. So even though I wanted to make the PS3 my primary console that gen, Sony pushed me over to the 360 for 3rd party games.

 

[Kilau]

Now we can't use an IP from a previous gen?

Actually AstroBot became big the minute they included PlayRoom on every PS5 for free

So to not call it a PS5 IP seems like a stretch to me

It became Sony mascot with PS5

This thread is about PS5 gen and my comment about new PS5 IP. No, Astro Bot is not a PS5 IP. Started with The Playroom on PS4 and continued with the VR game. Great games but not a PS5 thing.

 

[IFireflyl]

Personally, I'd rank the generations as such:

1. Playstation 2
2. Playstation 4
3. Playstation 3
4. Playstation
5. Playstation 5

For me:

1. PlayStation 2
2. PlayStation
3. PlayStation 3
4. PlayStation 4
5. PlayStation 5

PlayStation 2 was so obviously the best console. We had quantity and quality in games. It was an unparalleled generation.

PlayStation was new, and it took off like a Formula 1 racer. It was an amazing launch into an unknown, and third-party developers quickly got to work releasing amazing titles that I still love playing to this day.

PlayStation 3 sucked in terms of an expensive console, but it was a powerhouse that has games that I absolutely loved "wasting my life on".

PlayStation 4 was the first PlayStation generation I liked, but it just didn't have the same impact for me. While it was superior graphically to the PlayStation 3, it was also where we started to run into diminishing returns. This is when I began my migration to PC gaming.

PlayStation 5 was the PlayStation console I had the least amount of time, because there was nothing about the console that made me desire to keep it. With everything coming to PC, why would I need this console? The console exclusives would eventually come to PC with only few exceptions (such as Astro Bot), and I ended up selling my PlayStation 5 (not scalping, but selling at retail price to a friend) only about a year after launch having played next to nothing on the console (because, despite the 'Xbox doesn't have games' trope, PlayStation 5 had almost no amazing games at the time that couldn't also be found on PC).

If we count handhelds, I would put the PlayStation Portable just after the PlayStation, and the PlayStation Vita just after the PlayStation 3.

 

[TheTony316]

PS3 was the worst.

Most third party games ran like crap compared to the 360.
Game installs took more than an hour in some cases (GT5) because the Blu Ray drive was too slow.
PSN store was sluggish and patching a game was a nightmare since you had to download and install each update separately.

Sure it had some great exclusives but so did the Wii U.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

PS3 was the worst.

Most third party games ran like crap compared to the 360.
Game installs took more than an hour in some cases (GT5) because the Blu Ray drive was too slow.
PSN store was sluggish and patching a game was a nightmare since you had to download and install each update separately.

Sure it had some great exclusives but so did the Wii U.

See how the thread title is confusing people.

 

[TheTony316]

See how the thread title is confusing people.

Not confused. I know he's talking about exclusives but the gen as a whole was bad. For every Uncharted 2 you had 10 third party games running like crap.

 

[reinking]

This thread is about PS5 gen and my comment about new PS5 IP. No, Astro Bot is not a PS5 IP. Started with The Playroom on PS4 and continued with the VR game. Great games but not a PS5 thing.

Wait. So seriously, you are not counting IPs that showed up on the previous PlayStation consoles? I've never seen a console held to that standard before but carry on. We all have our way of looking at things.

I believe the PS5 is the worst PlayStation generation but I don't feel like I have to jump through hoops to show it. First party output has been lacking. It is there (or not there) for everyone to see.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Not confused. I know he's talking about exclusives but the gen as a whole was bad. For every Uncharted 2 you had 10 third party games running like crap.

First thing he mentions was PS3's third party ports being terrible then votes for PS3.

Change the thread title to reflect the poll, confusion is gone, PS5 gets 100%

 

[Kilau]

Wait. So seriously, you are not counting IPs that showed up on the previous PlayStation consoles? I've never seen a console held to that standard before but carry on. We all have our way of looking at things.

I believe the PS5 is the worst PlayStation generation but I don't feel like I have to jump through hoops to show it. First party output has been lacking. It is there (or not there) for everyone to see.

I said they haven't released any new IPs this gen except Returnal, I didn't say PS5 games don't count for the generation.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

First thing he mentions was PS3's third party ports being terrible then votes for PS3.

Change the thread title to reflect the poll, confusion is gone, PS5 gets 100%

If it was clear on being the worst first party output we do agree PS5 would likely get 100%

 

[Peenolia010]

PS4 games are saving PS5 for now.

Most underrated comment I've read in a few days right there.

 

[reinking]

Most underrated comment I've read in a few days right there.

I believe it is going to be the same story going into the PS6 generation. I think the lean into cross generation will be there to help software sales as the cost of new consoles rise. I don't really have a problem with cross generation games as long as they get a bump in performance on the newer console. I prefer a strategy that keeps more people engaged (eek, that word) to shrinking the overall market.

 

[onQ123]

This entire thread was based on first party output by Sony, you know that right?

How when the maker of the thread changed his tune thanks to Xbox games being on PS5?


You people added that * to suit your arguments

Post in thread 'Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/has-...-generation-in-history.1679820/post-270931901

 

[Germuso]

Dont need spend money on games when MS work for you for free.

And yes this gen is the worst.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

How when the maker of the thread changed his tune thanks to Xbox games being on PS5?


You people added that * to suit your arguments

I don't care what he changed his tune to, the original post was asking if this generation was the worst PS first party output and for me it is

That's my opinion and as much as "you people" want to defend your box its not changing my mind

Its cool if you don't agree with me because I honestly don't care, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Sorry my opinion bothers so many of "you people"

 

[onQ123]

I don't care what he changed his tune to, the original post was asking if this generation was the worst PS first party output and for me it is

That's my opinion and as much as "you people" want to defend your box its not changing my mind

Its cool if you don't agree with me because I honestly don't care, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Sorry my opinion bothers so many of "you people"

So you're telling the op what his thread was based on?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So you're telling the op what his thread was based on?

I based my response on what the original post said, stay with me here

Here "you people" seem to like the lol or laughing emoji on your posts

LOL

 

[analog_future]

I don't care what he changed his tune to, the original post was asking if this generation was the worst PS first party output and for me it is

That's my opinion and as much as "you people" want to defend your box its not changing my mind

Its cool if you don't agree with me because I honestly don't care, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Sorry my opinion bothers so many of "you people"

I based my response on what the original post said, stay with me here

Here "you people" seem to like the lol or laughing emoji on your posts

LOL

No, the original post was not asking specifically about PS first party output.


This is what I said on the first page of this thread when asked what criteria/metrics we were measuring:

Use whatever makes sense to you. Just trying to get a general feel of things.

 

[onQ123]

Checkmate!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

No, the original post was not asking specifically about PS first party output.


This is what I said on the first page of this thread when asked what criteria/metrics we were measuring:

So this quote here wasn't referring to their first party output in your original post?

"There's been some good/great games, but just no where near the level of Sony's past generations thus far."

My bad thought we were talking about, you know, games for a gaming console

 

[analog_future]

So this quote here wasn't referring to their first party output in your original post?

"There's been some good/great games, but just no where near the level of Sony's past generations thus far."

My bad thought we were talking about, you know, games for a gaming console

Obviously talking about games, but not just exclusive 1st party games.

Like I said originally, it's a general feel thing. In my mind, hardware, pricing, 1st party games, 3rd party games, what new visual bars are pushed, accessories, etc.. etc.. you name it all factor into how one feels about a generation.

 

[onQ123]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Obviously talking about games, but not just exclusive 1st party games.

Like I said originally, it's a general feel thing. In my mind, hardware, pricing, 1st party games, 3rd party games, what new visual bars are pushed, accessories, etc.. etc.. you name it all factor into how one feels about a generation.

My bad I must have missed when you talked about stuff outside of games in your first post

I just answered to what I felt made this the worst generation by Sony, first party games

In my opinion, outside of some type of a miracle in the next few years, the answer is definitely "yes". Particularly with the news of Bend's and Bluepoint's projects being canned.

There's been some good/great games, but just no where near the level of Sony's past generations thus far.


Personally, I'd rank the generations as such:

1. Playstation 2
2. Playstation 4
3. Playstation 3
4. Playstation
5. Playstation 5

You really make my brain hurt sometimes

 

[analog_future]

My bad I must have missed when you talked about stuff outside of games in your first post

I just answered to what I felt made this the worst generation by Sony, first party games


You really make my brain hurt sometimes

Not sure why you're being so obtuse and defensive about this, but you do you.