Represent.
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Ill agree with the Kathleen actor, seemed very Walking Dead-y. That show has some shit actors minus the OG Season 1 crew
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Beastclaw Raider
Banned
Welp, loved episode 3 last week but after this one, kind of pissed episode 3 was more than an hour and this was 4x minutes...
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I knew the voice actor was playing a different role but that didn't stop my brain from asking what the hell Tommy was doing with those people immediately after I heard him speak lol.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
So are you talking about just acting here? Because I had to google who Chandler Riggs was but he certainly wasn’t a main character during the peak years.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Seriously? Rose?
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Which is exactly what most people were arguing about but instead got flamed for being homophobic... I want more of Joel and Ellie and Im sure most do too.
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saintjules
Gold Member
I think had we seen Nick under a 1:1 scenario of the scenes from the game, I think he would have shined more to what we would expect. Still, I liked what he did as Bill.
Beastclaw Raider
Banned
Most people were just bitching about the whole episode, but yeah I get your point.
I just dont get why they couldnt do an hour long episode for ep4 and cut 10-15 minutes from episode 3 or something. Do we have the running time for all episodes?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yeah, that's what I believe happened. I just find it interesting because Ellie is talking about it now instead of waiting until the very end of the show. They're building up to that moment pretty good far. We're probably going to see Riley turn, too.
saintjules
Gold Member
Basically a Deanna from Alexandria.
Jaybe
Member
Yeah, oops, voice sounds similar.
Hugare
Gold Member
My favorite episode with Bella as Ellie, but a weak episode overal, imo
I think she killed it in this episode, while I wasnt seeing her as Ellie before.
But still, there are some character traits that just looks off. Her being all giggity with her new weapon when Joel was giving it to her, after almost killing a man with it ...
Are they trying to show her as kind of a psychopath? Her acting is deviating too much from the source material in places. Weird.
Ellie should be shocked and etc. after almost killing a man. She was crying right after that encounter. And then she gets all happy by being given a gun? Doesnt make sense
Joel was too soft after she saves him. In the game he gets angry at her. Thats his deffense mechanism, he pushes away with anger. Thats also how he acts with Ellie at the ranch, when he wants Tommy to take Ellie to the fireflies.
And expanding the whole QZ thing, I dont know about that. In the game they are David's men, and it pays off when Ellie fight the infected with David. They are exchanging that for this current storyline, and I dont know if it will be worth it, from the looks of it.
Anyway, enjoyed the Ellie/Joel bits, they were needed to develop their relationship, but overal it was the weakest episode thus far.
Edit: the ambush setpiece was a huge downgrade. And not showing not even one person getting shot onscreen was lame.
I think she killed it in this episode, while I wasnt seeing her as Ellie before.
But still, there are some character traits that just looks off. Her being all giggity with her new weapon when Joel was giving it to her, after almost killing a man with it ...
Are they trying to show her as kind of a psychopath? Her acting is deviating too much from the source material in places. Weird.
Ellie should be shocked and etc. after almost killing a man. She was crying right after that encounter. And then she gets all happy by being given a gun? Doesnt make sense
Joel was too soft after she saves him. In the game he gets angry at her. Thats his deffense mechanism, he pushes away with anger. Thats also how he acts with Ellie at the ranch, when he wants Tommy to take Ellie to the fireflies.
And expanding the whole QZ thing, I dont know about that. In the game they are David's men, and it pays off when Ellie fight the infected with David. They are exchanging that for this current storyline, and I dont know if it will be worth it, from the looks of it.
Anyway, enjoyed the Ellie/Joel bits, they were needed to develop their relationship, but overal it was the weakest episode thus far.
Edit: the ambush setpiece was a huge downgrade. And not showing not even one person getting shot onscreen was lame.
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Pretttyyy good. Glad we got Joel/Ellie focus, it’s the time to show that growing. Ending with the joke then the guns in their face was a perfect way to end, felt very much how the game gut punches you whenever you feel you can relax. Interested to see how Henry ruffled this lady’s feathers vs the game being mostly just two bros trying to get by a bunch of rando raiders.
I really couldn’t think of a better way to adapt the game than they’ve done so far
I really couldn’t think of a better way to adapt the game than they’ve done so far
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I think her happiness was more so from winning Joel's approval, which she openly seeks many times in Part 1. I could be wrong though, just how I interpreted it.
Hugare
Gold Member
She wants his approval, yes. But smiling in a situation like this isnt realistic for a girl who cried from shooting a guy 5 minutes prior.
Hence why it was done totaly different in the game. Wouldnt feel natural, and it didnt in the show.
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BadBurger
Banned
Roni
Member
Probably not without having a say so, which is why the ending of the first game works for the player, advancing through Joel's perspective. As for their interactions before the actual hospital, she can dream and hope. But I find it unlikely she would bring it up. Both because she's still a girl and children often think life will last forever and because that would be such a bummer at the time. Not to mention it wouldn't do any good: they can't know what really awaits them and the entire journey has been about surviving through sheer will. You can't be assuming you'll die at every corner while surviving, you gotta push that aside and take to the task at hand. Talking about a possible future gives them more energy to keep going, as opposed to taking away from that by considering she might not make it, however realistic that possibility seems...
On Episode 4, I liked that it's more action packed, but I could've used a gun fight or two more. They sort of cram half of Pittsburgh into 20 minutes...
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3liteDragon
Member
Lol at the review bombing on IMDb for E4, some of these retards really couldn’t take it after E3. Always seems to be a thing with this IP, very interesting.
Slothbeing1209
Member
The credit song!!
The new character Kathleen feel mehh.
Nothing about her character make me understand why she's the leader.
The new character Kathleen feel mehh.
Nothing about her character make me understand why she's the leader.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
She’s a throwaway character. I agree it’s a little odd that there’s so many boss bitches on this show
Episode 4 was the worst so far, but still a good episode
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
Good episode. Enjoyed it. Not much more to add than that.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
They should have gotten rid of Kathleen and cast OG Timmy “perry” as the leader in this, would have been a lot more convincing than casting a Karen (ahem, I mean “Kathleen”) in this role
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
For all the Kathleen complaints, listen to the podcast - Mazin said there is reasoning behind her acting, and they wanted the audience to be confused as to how someone like her could be a leader.
He said keeps watching.
Holding my judgement back.
He said keeps watching.
Holding my judgement back.
3liteDragon
Member
Yea I knew it had something to do with her character more than the acting as soon as I saw her, hopefully goes somewhere if they’re gonna keep her for 2 episodes.
MirageMew2
Member
This was a great pick up after a sluggish episode 3 for me personally. The action was choreographed near 1:1 and I love how they gave NPCs names. Reminds me of how ND made it a big point in the marketing for Part 2 and how impactful it ultimately felt in the actual gameplay. I think Part 1 (PS5) retroactively does this too, so it’s nice to see the show treat these encounters with the same respect.
The fleshed out Hunters are great so far, love being able to see the full force. It’s a believable threat and I’m looking foward to more.
The fleshed out Hunters are great so far, love being able to see the full force. It’s a believable threat and I’m looking foward to more.
Roni
Member
Well, next episode is an hour long and there'll be very little need for setup, which took a big chunk of this week's episode. They'll reach the suburbs, which is the end of the city segment. So, should also be pretty action packed.
I honestly smell fuckery from the higher ups: feels like some of these episodes were split for additional weekly releases to keep people engaged and subscribed. Episode 4 and 5 were probably just the one episode in the original edit and they had to cut it to make an extra week. Looking at the released episode lengths, it seems the same thing happened to the season finale. The show was supposed to have 7 episodes, but they stretched it to 9 by cutting this one and the finale.
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LavitzSlambert
Member
Her character was as lame an unearned as TWD’s Governor. Eye rolling, cringe worthy, overused trope.
3liteDragon
Member
He played Tommy in the games FYI.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Oh? More sUbVeRtInG eXpEcTaTiOnS on the way!!! Chernobyl was good, but Mazin is up his own ass with this show so far.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
He was there and he was awful, as was the actress who played Andrea, Laurie, and Merl.
JerryinSoCal
Member
It doesn't work like that though, episode 3 being the length it was had nothing to do with how long episode 4 is.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Didn’t watch the episode yet but it can’t be worse than E3. You could cut E3 to just the scenes with Joel and Ellie and no quality would be lost. Actually it would be a better pacing for the show. E3 was useless filler so no surprise it is getting low reviews. But of course fans will spin it as review bombing.
BadBurger
Banned
Good episode. I think at the end we finally see Joel and Ellie bonding really. These two actors keep building on me. They are playing these roles really, really well. I think one of the major strengths of this story is how Joel and Ellie are very much alike. There's this nearly 60 year old hard ass, and a 14 year old girl, and they are both equally ruthless and heartless.
Of course that wasn't shown here, merely hinted at, but we're working towards it.
Of course that wasn't shown here, merely hinted at, but we're working towards it.
John Bilbo
Member
I didn't feel the chemistry of Joel and Ellie in this episode. The timing of the jokes felt off too. Maybe it's just me.
Visually great though
Also I think they included the enemies calling out their dead friends' names on purpose as it is in Last of Us 2. It was a fun nod
Visually great though
Also I think they included the enemies calling out their dead friends' names on purpose as it is in Last of Us 2. It was a fun nod
ZehDon
Member
I can't believe I missed this - this was great!
Ryuji Goda
Member
Good episode. Loved the last shot before the credits. 
Venuspower
Member
I really liked the episode. It could have been 10 minutes longer or so. But at least we got to see Henry and Sam. I was also expecting the episode to end with Henry and Sam.
Jeffrey Pierce looks really good as Perry. In the german version Perry is actually voiced by the same voice actor as Tommy from the games. Which totally makes sense since Jeffrey Pierce is Game-Tommy. But now I am wondering if they will bring back the german voices of game Joel and Ellie for Ashley Johnsons and Troy Bakers role. Would be epic.
I hope that the next episode in Germany will also be released this Friday. Episode 4 and 5 will be really enjoyable to watch back to back. I am just curious now how they are going to tell the rest of the story in the remaining episodes.
Jeffrey Pierce looks really good as Perry. In the german version Perry is actually voiced by the same voice actor as Tommy from the games. Which totally makes sense since Jeffrey Pierce is Game-Tommy. But now I am wondering if they will bring back the german voices of game Joel and Ellie for Ashley Johnsons and Troy Bakers role. Would be epic.
I hope that the next episode in Germany will also be released this Friday. Episode 4 and 5 will be really enjoyable to watch back to back. I am just curious now how they are going to tell the rest of the story in the remaining episodes.
Ulysses 31
Member
Come on, bro.
You know that situation isn't comparable with the non informed consent one. In your case at least the doctor talked to you about the surgery and your chances while in Ellie's case no one did.
Ellie didn't know about any surgery(no one did) so to assume she'd be OK with one that will cost her life is not something a moral person would do. They could've confirmed with her if they were reasonable, but they didn't care to.
Yeah and I don't believe the part she'd be OK with dying without informed consent with a total disregard for Joel's feelings never seeing her alive again after being forcefully separated. I can believe she'd thought they'd do all kinds of tests and experimentations first, but resorting to killing her within hours of receiving her, nah.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Ellie is upset she didn't get the choice, but she's a 14 year old, who can't consent to this in any seemingly moral society.
If the fireflies (a terrorist cell, mind you) said, hey Joel, we're going to have a discussion with you (for all purposes her guardian) and if you say no, we'll try again with her when she is 18 or if she decides to leave you, it would have changed everything.
Ellie can be upset at Joel, but she's really upset at the situation. She's upset that her fear of being the last one standing is made more likely by his decision as she's ultimately more afraid of being left than she is of dying. But again, at the end of the day, she is 14.
If the fireflies (a terrorist cell, mind you) said, hey Joel, we're going to have a discussion with you (for all purposes her guardian) and if you say no, we'll try again with her when she is 18 or if she decides to leave you, it would have changed everything.
Ellie can be upset at Joel, but she's really upset at the situation. She's upset that her fear of being the last one standing is made more likely by his decision as she's ultimately more afraid of being left than she is of dying. But again, at the end of the day, she is 14.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Good episode… if not spectacular. Does a lot of heavy lifting on the Joel and Ellie relationship. Not sure why the changed from Pittsburgh to Kansas City. I miss how built up and claustrophobic it was in the game.
This Joel seems to be warming to Ellie quicker than his game equivalent. Bella Ramsey doing an excellent job.
The recreations of the game sequences were great again.
Next week should be a doozy with Henry and Sam, and the cordyceps in that storage room.
This Joel seems to be warming to Ellie quicker than his game equivalent. Bella Ramsey doing an excellent job.
The recreations of the game sequences were great again.
Next week should be a doozy with Henry and Sam, and the cordyceps in that storage room.
VulcanRaven
Member
Great episode. Spoilers. I liked most of the new scenes. It felt like Joel allowed Ellie to use guns too soon. It probably makes sense because it looks like they are skipping the hotel section from the game.
I was hoping they would use something from this:
I was hoping they would use something from this:
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Ulysses 31
Member
Elie struck me as being hopeful and optimistic when they were near that hospital(after the giraffe scene) so if she thought of possibly dying, she's putting up a good act hiding it and that kind of deception doesn't strike me as something Ellie would do to Joel. The simplest explanation IMO is that it's simply not on her mind when approaching to the hospital. Not even Marlene and the researchers thought she'd ever need to die until after Ellie arrived at the hospital so why would Ellie ever get the impression she might have to die, let alone be prepared to?
She's still a little girl but she's already experienced losing multiple people so to think she'd willingly cause that kind of pain without any forewarning first again, strikes me as uncharacteristic of Ellie.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I'll watch it tonight but I remember local articles about them filming in KC.broo they nailed kansas city
Umbasaborne
Banned
Just watched episode 3, that shit nearly fucking destroyed me it was so beautifully done. I hope all involved win an award for it