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Punished Miku
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It looks awesome.
Jury is still out on whether it will be a masterpiece or live up to the early GOT seasons, but it's probably going to be better than 95% of the shit on TV these days.
Jury is still out on whether it will be a masterpiece or live up to the early GOT seasons, but it's probably going to be better than 95% of the shit on TV these days.
I started rewatching GoT yesterday, havent watched the show entirely in 4 years.matt smith + olivia cooke. i'm in.
plus i must be one of the very few people who didn't hate GoT. it was a bit rushed towards the end and that Arya scene is nuts but otherwise i enjoyed it! going to rewatch it all again
mcjmetroid
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Prequels yawn
Werewolf Jones
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Nobody_Important
So educate us casuals dear book reader. Does this entail the full history this story is going to tell or does it simply stop as there's only one of two books out?
Elysion
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That‘s actually a good point. Do we know how much story this show covers? At first I thought it would be the build-up to the civil war and then the war itself, but thinking about it, that‘s a lot of stuff for just 10 episodes, especially if it covers multiple time periods, with different actors playing the characters at different points in their lives.
I assume this season will end just as the war is starting, similar to the first season of GoT.
That‘s actually a good point. Do we know how much story this show covers? At first I thought it would be the build-up to the civil war and then the war itself, but thinking about it, that‘s a lot of stuff for just 10 episodes, especially if it covers multiple time periods, with different actors playing the characters at different points in their lives.
I assume this season will end just as the war is starting, similar to the first season of GoT.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The entire story this show is covering takes place in the first book. They will not have any guesswork on the ending. It's set in stone.
Judging by the trailer they are covering the lead up, the civil war, and possibly the aftermath.
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Craig of War
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FullMetalx117
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I’m looking forward to this - yeah it’s a prequel, but will probably be better than most other shows out at the time.
Elysion
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That’s a lot of stuff for only 10 episodes. That would mean the show would have to be incredibly fast-paced, which could be a good thing, but could also mean there‘s not a lot of time for politicking and character development, and more of a focus on action instead.
Even the first season of GoT, which covered by far the greatest timespan of all the seasons (just like the first book, which is the most fast-paced) ended only at the beginning of the war, with 9 out of 10 episodes dedicated to the build-up, politicking, and character development. The rest of the war needed two more seasons before it was concluded.
And unlike GoT, House of the Dragon covers multiple time periods, which means even more stuff that has to fit into 10 episodes. I find it hard to imagine they manage to do all this in a single season.
Punished Miku
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Total speculation, but HBO hopefully learned their lesson from GOT. They wanted it to be longer, and so did GRRM. It was only D&D who wanted to wrap it up, so HBO trusted them and followed their lead.
Hopefully they design a 2nd show to run longer than 8 seasons, considering they will want that to be the case for subs.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Where are you getting the idea that there will be only 10 episodes and a single season? HBO has already said there will be more than one season and that season 2 has already been reportedly greenlit.
So they don't have to rush anything.
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Javthusiast
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I am ready to be wowed again. There is nothing on television in terms of high budget dark fantasy that GoT was. The og series obviously turned to shit, but I hope this will be good. Without D&Ds involvement and the story at least lore wise being fully complete, all they need is to flesh it out well. Hopefully new showrunners will do a good job.
Elysion
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I was responding to this comment of yours:
I thought you meant that they would do all this in this upcoming season. So you expect them to spread the story out over several seasons?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Oh sorry. I was just referring to the age jumps of the characters and how some of the scenes are taking place years apart.
And oh yeah. I expect a minimum of 2-3 seasons.
BouncyFrag
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Still not ginger.
BaneIsPain
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'House of the Dragon' creator explains major change to House Velaryon
'House of the Dragon' co-showrunner Ryan Condal explains the major change to House Velaryon and not wanting "another bunch of white people on the screen."
Weird reasoning. I would accept a stupid reason such as one of the velaryon's ancestors mating with Summer Islander or the skin changed due to the long voyage to Essos or Sothoros.
bitbydeath
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'House of the Dragon' creator explains major change to House Velaryon
'House of the Dragon' co-showrunner Ryan Condal explains the major change to House Velaryon and not wanting "another bunch of white people on the screen."ew.com
Weird reasoning. I would accept a stupid reason such as one of the velaryon's ancestors mating with Summer Islander or the skin changed due to the long voyage to Essos or Sothoros.
Racism
Elysion
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Having read the article, they don’t really give any in-universe reason at all, or am I missing something? They’ve only given a meta reason of ‘representation’, but no explanation how a noble house that has intermarried with other Westerosi houses (including the Targaryens) has remained racially black all this time.
They also bring up the fact that George has played around with the idea of black Valyrians when he first wrote the series. Interestingly, George was actually asked about this several years ago (while GoT was still on air), and he said that he abandoned the idea because black people with white hair and purple eyes would’ve looked weird, and would’ve made them look too much like ‘dark elves’ or something (I’m paraphrasing).
And looking at the Velaryons in this new show, I kinda agree. It’s not so bad with Corlys, since his hair could be interpreted as grey due to his age, but the others look ridiculous. Their white dreadlocks look so fake and out of place (one of them even has a white afro lol), and they don’t really look as if they belong in the world of ASoIaF, which, despite the existence of dragons and direwolves and whatnot, has a much more grounded feel to it than other fantasy worlds. It was bad enough when they stopped dyeing Emilia Clark’s dark eyebrows in the later seasons of GoT (which was distracting enough), but putting white wigs on black actors is a 100 times worse.
I would’ve preferred if they let the Velaryons keep their normal hair, instead of giving them these stupid wigs tbh.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
"The world is very different now than it was 10 years ago when [Game of Thrones] all started. It's different than 20 years ago when Peter Jackson made The Lord of the Rings. These types of stories need to be more inclusive than they traditionally have been,"
"It was very important for Miguel and I to create a show that was not another bunch of white people on the screen, just to put it very bluntly."
Well, at least they're honest about their racism.
"It was very important for Miguel and I to create a show that was not another bunch of white people on the screen, just to put it very bluntly."
Well, at least they're honest about their racism.
Ulysses 31
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Their kind is a weird bunch, with all the success Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy had, they still talked about the making the next LOTR for a bigger audience...
Kssio_Aug
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Yeah. It's really not faithul to history! My history books tell me that when people were fighting dragons and stuff 1000 years ago, in Westeros, Europe, there were no women in power!
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GnomeChimpsky
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Stop playing dumb. They've made it very clear why they've made these choices, and it's got nothing to do with telling a good story.Yeah. It's really not faithul to history! My history books tell me that when people were fighting dragons and stuff 1000 years ago, in Westeros, Europe, there were no women in power!
Kssio_Aug
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As far as I know this is based on the books.
"Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen, [...] was the first-born child of King Viserys I Targaryen. [...] At the age of eight, she was made her father's heir and grew up expecting to become the first ruling Queen of Westeros. Her claim to the Iron Throne was challenged by her younger half-brother, Aegon II Targaryen, sparking the civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons."
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Rhaenyra_Targaryen
GnomeChimpsky
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Ah ok, I think I'm mixing things up with LOTR. Hard to keep up with all these virtue signaling shows
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Which is also based on a real historical event. A civil war in England known as The Anarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy
Elysion
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Rhaenyra would’ve been queen without problem – if her father hadn’t remarried and sired a son afterward. And according to the laws of succession in Westeros (similar to the laws in medieval Europe), a son inherits before a daughter. The Dance only happened because Rhaenyra’s father was an idiot and declared his daughter heir despite the fact that he had sons, otherwise there would’ve been no question whatsoever that his eldest son inherits after him. The Anarchy was different in the sense that it was a war between Empress Matilda and her nephew – not her brother. If Matilda had had a younger brother, then he would’ve become king of England without question. Which shows just how much of an idiot Rhaenyra’s father was.
So it’s not so much that people were opposing Rhaenyra solely due to her being a woman, but more so because letting her succeed her father to the throne despite having brothers would totally mess up the succession. If Rhaenyra’s father hadn’t remarried, and she had remained his only child, then she would’ve become queen and there would’ve been no Dance of the Dragons. The question is, do we expect the show to spell out these legal minutiae for the audience? Or will they go the ‘greedy brother usurps rightful queen because sexism’ route?
The fact that they haven’t even shown any of the Greens so far (other than Otto and Alicent), and have focused their marketing almost solely on the Blacks, while Aegon, Aemond and Helaena are nowhere to be seen, doesn’t exactly fill me with hope. I hope they don’t plan to make the Blacks the ‘good guys’ in this thing.
DeepEnigma
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'House of the Dragon' creator explains major change to House Velaryon
'House of the Dragon' co-showrunner Ryan Condal explains the major change to House Velaryon and not wanting "another bunch of white people on the screen."
Weird reasoning. I would accept a stupid reason such as one of the velaryon's ancestors mating with Summer Islander or the skin changed due to the long voyage to Essos or Sothoros.
dr_octagon
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They need to hire the actor from Tropic Thunder to say Flaming Dragon
dr_octagon
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The official explanation is 'I guess Dany forgot about her family's skin colour'.
TaylorSwiftFan
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No, thank you.
Fbh
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'House of the Dragon' creator explains major change to House Velaryon
'House of the Dragon' co-showrunner Ryan Condal explains the major change to House Velaryon and not wanting "another bunch of white people on the screen."
Weird reasoning. I would accept a stupid reason such as one of the velaryon's ancestors mating with Summer Islander or the skin changed due to the long voyage to Essos or Sothoros.
Why is the solution to the "problem" of too many white people always to add forced diversity rather than actually adapting books from non white authors featuring non white characters?
DeepEnigma
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It’s almost as if we never grew up with (well mainly reruns) The Jefferson’s, Good Times, Sanford & Sons, Fat Albert & The Cosby Kids, The Cosby Show, Fresh Prince, etc, that EVERYONE enjoyed.
Maybe that was in the normal timeline before we got knocked into this one.
Werewolf Jones
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Tieno
Member
Looks amazing, can’t believe we can have this and the lord of the rings show. What a time to be alive.
Punished Miku
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You guys were way too pessimistic. I'm not expecting it to be a complete masterpiece, but GoT was flooded with a dozen highly skilled directors, casting directors, special effects teams, and more. Even the final season basically just suffered from the poor writing / plot. Every other element of it was among the best TV production capability out there. So that's going to be a constant.
Now we just wait on the plot and writing and see how it goes.
Werewolf Jones
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Mostly good actors and if Nobody_Important is to be trusted they CAN'T fuck it up.
If this story is self contained and happened before GoT then whatever happens 100 years later in universe doesn't damage this narrative at all. You're only mentally letting it get to you.
If this story is self contained and happened before GoT then whatever happens 100 years later in universe doesn't damage this narrative at all. You're only mentally letting it get to you.
She was a pretty hot sister, NGL.
Gp1
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You guys that overestimate what the producers from the last 2 GOT seasons + the script writer of some masterpieces like Rampage and Hercules can do.
At least they alleviated a little of the "Bridgerton of Thrones" feel.
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Ammogeddon
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It’s hard to explain but there’s a sanitised, overly clean look to it that I don’t like, much like the latest LOTOR trailer. Maybe it’s deliberate, harkening back to a more civilised age, but I prefer the gritty and real look of GoT.
thegame983
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There better be fucking nudity in this. And I do NOT mean floppy dongs!