sol_bad
Member
I wouldn't have a clue as I've neve read any of the books. I just know the closer we get to this show releasing the more excited I get even though I hated the end of regular GoT.
That last trailer really got me hyped.
^__^
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
I wouldn't have a clue as I've neve read any of the books. I just know the closer we get to this show releasing the more excited I get even though I hated the end of regular GoT.
That last trailer really got me hyped.
^__^
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
The story they're going with should be epic. Basically a fantasy version of The Anarchy with dragons (hopefully not laughably, over powered dragons that can explode buildings with their fire breath like in the final season of GoT - that made no sense at all!)
They need to really nail the writing with this one. Because the story is contained in a mock history book, they can't fall back on Martin for multiple seasons (that guy needs to focus on Winds anyway and nothing else!). The writing could be the shows downfall. Not to mention other red flags that have come out of the mouths of the show runners.
This show has potential, but I'm not terribly optimistic.
Tams
Member
It's something though, and Martin has been involved in it.
Unlike seasons 6,7, and 8 of GOT.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
In all honesty, I'd rather Martin wasn't involved at all. Winds should be and should have always been his number one focus. It's now been over 11 years since Dance and Winds doesn't seem like it's even close to being done.
Nor will or be done anytime soon. The man is busy making a cinematic universe for HBO, plus is working on Fire and Blood part 2 and more Dunk and Egg stories. Let's also not forget that after Winds, he still needs to write Dream of Spring, a book that he's even said he hasn't even started yet! In 11 fucking years he should have completed both books!
I used to believe that Martin would finish his magnum opus, but now I'm absolutely convinced he'll never finish it.
What A Shame...
Banned
The immense hatred for S8 has probably caused him to rethink the conclusion, and he really doesn't have the time to be rethinking anything.
At this point, I'd be happy with him handing the rights over to someone who he trusts with the material just so we can get some sort of an ending.
If that's the case they should all be black. And race mixing should also result in watered down features, such as whiter decendants would have more color to their hair.
That could actually be a very cool, and more importantly, believable way of doing it.
The thing I hate is this constant obsession with making every culture in every time period ever diverse. It is stupid and breaks immersion for anyone who knows anything about how countries and peoples evolved. There should be homogenous groups in medieval times. Which ethnicities they are is irrelevant as long as you have the thing make sense.
It's like that idiotic Wheel of Time show. You take us to an isolated village in a valley where they hardly ever see strangers for a 1000 years or so, and it's more diverse than Hollywood Boulevard. They should all be colored, not only that, they should all look like they come from the same country. So no mixing asians and middle eastern with africans. Pick one. Just bloody pick one, and you'll quickly see that all those fans the studios love to call bigots and racists would quickly accept whatever it is they're doing.
FunkMiller
Member
It’s become something of an unwritten truth in the publishing world that Martin’s never finishing.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Martin is 73 and fat as fuck. Unless he switches to a diet of two Big Macs, two Filet-o-Fish sandwiches, a small chocolate shake and 12 cans of diet coke a day, he's not gonna make it.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Which is a tragedy. ASOIAF should be his magnum opus and therefore his main priority.
He's 73 and it's taken him over 12 years already to write one book. It'll be a miracle if he finishes Winds. I have little hope of him finishing the last book.
BaneIsPain
Member
Not a great look at initial metacritic reviews. It is a slow-burn story.
BaneIsPain
Member
I do hope he left enough notes or layout for next author to complete it. Like Sanderson did with Jordan's work.
Lunarorbit
Member
I have no interest in watching this and hope it fails only for the fact that I'm sick of grrm and his whiney posturing over the last 15 years. Dudes such an asshole to his fans.
Tams
Member
Eh, I don't think this will have impacted Winds much at all. He seems rather intent not to finish it. He'd rather dick about with baseball.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
He has said in the past that he won't let anyone finish the series. If he dies before the series is finished, then it'll stay unfinished. However, I don't know how truthful he was being and find that unbelievable.
He said in a recent blog post that he understands that for ASOIAF fans, Winds is the most important project he should be working on. However, he then went on to say that for him, everything ASOIAF related, including the HBO universe he's helping with, is all equally important to him. Winds isn't his first priority anymore.
BaneIsPain
Member
From this, I'm expecting the showrunner didn't know how to utilize or not flesh out Larys strong, borros baratheon, otto hightower, and maester orwyle. Another thing it seems the reviewer missed out the point that neither green nor black is good/evil. That's the point for this targs succession quarrel.
Elysion
Banned
^
Glad that someone else recognizes that white wigs on black actors look stupid (I’m assuming that‘s what the writer of that article is alluding to when they say that ‚Targaryen blond wigs don‘t look good on everyone‘).
From some of the set photos I’ve seen the female Velaryons look especially terrible; they look as if they‘re wearing those powdered wigs European nobles used to wear in the 18th century. It doesn’t look natural at all. They should’ve just let those black actors keep their normal hair, it would’ve looked much less distracting.
I‘m also not surprised that people miss a Tyrion-like character in HotD. He was such a central and unique part of GoT that it‘s basically impossible to do something similar in a new series without making it feel like a cheap copy.
Glad that someone else recognizes that white wigs on black actors look stupid (I’m assuming that‘s what the writer of that article is alluding to when they say that ‚Targaryen blond wigs don‘t look good on everyone‘).
From some of the set photos I’ve seen the female Velaryons look especially terrible; they look as if they‘re wearing those powdered wigs European nobles used to wear in the 18th century. It doesn’t look natural at all. They should’ve just let those black actors keep their normal hair, it would’ve looked much less distracting.
I‘m also not surprised that people miss a Tyrion-like character in HotD. He was such a central and unique part of GoT that it‘s basically impossible to do something similar in a new series without making it feel like a cheap copy.
Last edited:
I suspect what D&D were given to finish GoT is pretty close to the resolution of what HoD is ENTIRELLY based on, ie a listing of events minus the dialog , characterizations, and interpersonal scenes that made ASOIAF so great in the first place.
So my expectations are extremely tempered, to say the least.
Hari Seldon
Member
Lmao how can they make another GoT show and forget about interesting characters? This sounds like it is falling into the same trap as the star wars prequels. Like how Star Wars is really Indiana Jones in space, and when you leave out Indy it fucking blows. Game of Thrones is Tyrion Lannister's story and leaving him out makes the entire universe generic and bland.
Ulysses 31
Member
Coz maybe the focus was on correcting the wrongs of the original series...
House Of The Dragon Showrunners Reveal Game Of Thrones Spin-Off Written With Focus On Addressing Accusations Of Racism And Sexism Against Original Series
The first season of HBO’s House of the Dragon was written with a focus on addressing complaints against Game of Thrones' lack of diversity.
boundingintocomics.com
Last edited:
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Reviews are in and are positive. In case anybody wondered what this show is about, the BBC has it covered in their review.
This is a story explicitly about the injustices and indignities of being a woman under a patriarchal system: whether that means being traded like a commodity for a politically convenient marriage, being held to unequal standards in terms of desire and behaviour, or being reduced down to the machinery of reproductive organs.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20220818-house-of-the-dragon-review-its-pure-game-of-thrones
This is a story explicitly about the injustices and indignities of being a woman under a patriarchal system: whether that means being traded like a commodity for a politically convenient marriage, being held to unequal standards in terms of desire and behaviour, or being reduced down to the machinery of reproductive organs.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20220818-house-of-the-dragon-review-its-pure-game-of-thrones
Tams
Member
Definitely. It looks fine enough on the father, but the children with white dreadlocks looks plain terrible. Like, worse than amateur theatre bad.
Still, I think it does still look promising overall.
Last edited:
Tams
Member
Because Tyrion Lannister's story and the main story (was really more Jon Snow's story in the end) are done in the shows, whether you like it or not.
PaddyOCanager
Member
I feel like this is probably extracting a plotline and ignoring A LOT of other stuff, but we'll see.
I hope they illustrate exactly why, in a system of hereditary passage of leadership, woman play a specific role that is very difficult to escape by the nature of their biology. I'm SURE they will spend equal time on the boys/men that could be COMPLETELY disenfranchised by the self-same system, or equally as enslaved to it, their ability (or lack of ) to produce a viable heir can make their rule tenuous at best. This isn't a system that was just unfair to woman, it was a system unfair to ALMOST EVERYONE but was still one of the few systems that enabled stability and security for periods long enough to allow civilization to progress.
I feel like this topic has become jaded as it has been worked over to death. "The Last Duel" was at least was creative enough to do a lot of this with just a few physical actions by the women in the film instead of overly belaboring it. I'd rather see the momentum move towards how women created their own power structures alongside that of the men with equal opportunities for decisive action in other arenas, even if the history books make little mention of it.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
It's a good review. Gives me a sense of what's coming. More serious and layered than GoT. More time jumps between episodes, laying the ground work for a Targareayn civil war generations in the making, over a longer period of time. Less immediately likeable characters, but still early. Bigger budget and visual production quality than GoT S1.
Sounds promising if people are prepared for a broader story taking a longer historical view.
Last edited:
Hari Seldon
Member
The point I was trying to make was that the only thing that I found interesting about GoT was the characters. Same as Star Wars. I could give a flying fuck about jedi or jedi politics, just give me Space Indy. The reviews seem to indicate that this show is going to be another political snore fest. I'll watch and see for myself, but if it is just people in wigs talking politics i'm going to bounce off pretty hard. I give no fucks about who rules some made up fantasy kingdom.
Banjo64
cumsessed
It’s a good thing GRRM wrote all of the characters in Fire and Blood then, and that he actually wrote that ‘story’ from beginning to end.
BaneIsPain
Member
I watched it since it is in the vast sea. It was ok and I would rate it 7/10. The CGI is a bit inconsistent imo and the actors bar Matt Smith are not great and a lil less charming (but then again this first episode)
The tourney is good. Some viewpoints a bit astray from the book. It is watchable but it doesn't feel the same enthusiasm as GoT first episode. I would rate it lower if I am not a sucker for the lore.
oh, the sex is tame but the violence is good.
Sorry. Haha
The tourney is good. Some viewpoints a bit astray from the book. It is watchable but it doesn't feel the same enthusiasm as GoT first episode. I would rate it lower if I am not a sucker for the lore.
Yes, the wigs are mostly ridiculous and have no explanation for the swapping. I can see Matt Smith (Daemon) will carry the show until you know what will happen.
oh, the sex is tame but the violence is good.
Sorry. Haha
Last edited:
FunkMiller
Member
SJRB
Gold Member
Yeah that was not cool.
Werewolf Jones
Member
He lasted longer than a relatively healthy Japanese man who actually WANTED to finish his work... Life ain't fair.
BaneIsPain praising Matt Smith but not Paddy C or Rhys Ifans lmfao okay dude. The Dr Who actor is better than them two. Yeah... Sure.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think Feudalism instantly replaced the Roman Empire all over Europe. It took centuries of bloody anarchy for the quite progressive (for the time) idea of the hereditary autocrat charged by God with the divine right to rule. My first rule of government is that no matter how bad it gets, it could always be worse.
What A Shame...
Banned
First episode is good but has nothing on GoT's pilot.
I think what it's missing is the array of likeable characters and the witty banter between them. It's still early though so we'll see what happens. So far Otto and Corlys are the standouts for me.
I think what it's missing is the array of likeable characters and the witty banter between them. It's still early though so we'll see what happens. So far Otto and Corlys are the standouts for me.
LaughingStock
Member
I wasn't going to watch it but I had nothing better to do. It was ok. Just ok, from beginning to the end. Nothing stood out.
LaughingStock
Member
Was it really that bad? I guess I was too distracted by the wigs.
ManaByte
Member
It was worse than the She-Hulk trailers using six-month-old unfinished effects.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I didn’t think it was bad at all. It didn’t do anything to wow though, it was largely a setup episode.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Great first episode for those of us who are deep into the lore. The kind of fan who enjoys spotting all of the coats of arms of the various houses, who understand the easter eggs, has been dreaming of what some of these supporting characters would look like on screen for years now. They stepped up the wardrobe designs considerably, really showing the stark differences in appearances between the houses that were only hinted at in GoT but were lurid and illustrative within the books.
However...... for fans of Game of Thrones the show, and not A Song of Ice and Fire, this was good but not great. Outside of Daemon there are no strong personalities. No witty dwarf. No honorable statesman. No youth who is fierce at heart and noble beyond his years. No scheming Prince Charming and his wicked queen sister. No debaucherous, thunderous king. We just get Daemon. Even Rhaenyra, one of the supposed lead figures, is just kind of a neutral template of a character, standing in for plot but offering little character wise.
The closest we get to a charming or endearing character is in Ser Harrold Westerling, Lord Commander of the King's Guard. But his screen time is so miniscule as to be negligent. And it's funny because in the book this character is only mentioned by way of his death. So the show runners had to have basically created his appearance and character from whole cloth given nothing but a name and role.
On other things:
- It is promising to be a good story for those who enjoy political intrigue and the kind of unabashed violence the first show had
- I personally thought the CGI was fine. Typical TV budget stuff. I've certainly seen worse in recent years. I watched in 4K, HDR, on a 55" TV for reference
- I know they typically spend heavy on the pilot then begin limiting spending following that, but the production values here felt elevated beyond any season of GoT. Even throwaway action moments felt more earnestly crafted, even if they're only on-screen in short bursts
4/5 for fans of the books
3/5 for show-only fans
Edit:
Nice to be back among the Free Folk again
However...... for fans of Game of Thrones the show, and not A Song of Ice and Fire, this was good but not great. Outside of Daemon there are no strong personalities. No witty dwarf. No honorable statesman. No youth who is fierce at heart and noble beyond his years. No scheming Prince Charming and his wicked queen sister. No debaucherous, thunderous king. We just get Daemon. Even Rhaenyra, one of the supposed lead figures, is just kind of a neutral template of a character, standing in for plot but offering little character wise.
The closest we get to a charming or endearing character is in Ser Harrold Westerling, Lord Commander of the King's Guard. But his screen time is so miniscule as to be negligent. And it's funny because in the book this character is only mentioned by way of his death. So the show runners had to have basically created his appearance and character from whole cloth given nothing but a name and role.
On other things:
- It is promising to be a good story for those who enjoy political intrigue and the kind of unabashed violence the first show had
- I personally thought the CGI was fine. Typical TV budget stuff. I've certainly seen worse in recent years. I watched in 4K, HDR, on a 55" TV for reference
- I know they typically spend heavy on the pilot then begin limiting spending following that, but the production values here felt elevated beyond any season of GoT. Even throwaway action moments felt more earnestly crafted, even if they're only on-screen in short bursts
4/5 for fans of the books
3/5 for show-only fans
Edit:
Nice to be back among the Free Folk again
Last edited:
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I enjoyed it
Is it me but does the sex scenes seem tamer? That's a massive disappointment for me lol
Is it me but does the sex scenes seem tamer? That's a massive disappointment for me lol
It was ok. A curiosity to continue. Didn't feel like I should turn it off or avoid in the future.
There were notions to take away in and out of show.
Jack Parsons wrote as Belarion.
The scene between Viserys and Rhaenyra before the skull of Belarion was my favourite of the episode.
Jack Parsons wrote as Belarion.
Last edited:
partime
Member
Well Daemon's definitely tamed that limp dragon
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Limp dragon? What are you talking about lol?
coffinbirth
Member
Maybe watch it again? It was a pretty obvious bit of...ummm...character development.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I don’t care much about CGI at all honestly. I’d trade a real ending in game of thrones for CGI any day. I’d rather have season 8 done properly with Drogon looking like PS1 era Spyro than the utter shit we ended up getting. Plot>>>CGI