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Good. No more 1 mana chillwinds.
Gormless Noodle
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Deathrattle priest, some Druid decks and mech mage variations ran it as well. It's the card that, for hunter at least, made it a lot more likely to be able to win against a counter class. It's still very much possible without of course, but the chances definitely decreased with this imo.
Mobius and pet octopus
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This news sent chills. So many people arguing there is no proof that UT is OP or needs to change. Then there was that thread about blizzard claiming UT was fine, and the blues stepped in (and even ben brode who never posts on the official forums) to point out that is not what they said. They pointed out the interview said they would continue to watch it and that the interview was old as well. Then the tryhard defenders (talking about official forums) argued for like 20 pages that the card is fine, won't be nerfed, etc..
Anyway... BRING OUT YOUR SALT
First post in response to the news. He has -120 downvotes at the moment, lmao.
Anyway... BRING OUT YOUR SALT
First post in response to the news. He has -120 downvotes at the moment, lmao.
I wonder what class that gentleman plays
A Sentient Keyboard
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See, the second I buy Naxx its best card becomes obsolete. I'm suing everyone in this thread!
good now make dr.boom's bombs like mad bomber, aka they can hit your side of the board too and we're golden
i'm tired of boom + bgh in 99.9% of decks
Mobius and pet octopus
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They haven't revealed the full patch notes or even the date of release so... who knows.
Probably no nerf though.
RumblingRosco
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I need to find a new early game for my Shaman deck. I mean, I'll stick with UT for now just to see how it plays out, but I'm not optimistic. I'm not sure though if any other 1-drop would really be better, so maybe throwing in some 2-drop is ideal instead.
A Sentient Keyboard
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I was playing around with the idea of a hobgoblin + deathrattle hunter deck, but I don't know if that's viable anymore with the new Undertaker. Here's what I got:
Hobgoblin
Undertaker (buffed by hobgoblin)
Webspinner (buffed by hobgoblin, buffs undertaker, beast, beast synergy)
Haunted creeper (buffed by hobgoblin, buffs undertaker, beast)
Timber wolf (buffed by hobgoblin, beast, beast synergy)
The above are all good cards even if you don't get to draw or play Hobgoblin. Then there are the silly, normally mediocre-to-bad cards I could run for a laugh:
Secretkeeper (buffed by hobgoblin, secret synergy)
Patriarch silverback (buffed by hobgoblin, beast)
Baron Rivendare (buffed by hobgoblin, deathrattle synergy)
And for the rest standard hunter cards.
Hobgoblin
Undertaker (buffed by hobgoblin)
Webspinner (buffed by hobgoblin, buffs undertaker, beast, beast synergy)
Haunted creeper (buffed by hobgoblin, buffs undertaker, beast)
Timber wolf (buffed by hobgoblin, beast, beast synergy)
The above are all good cards even if you don't get to draw or play Hobgoblin. Then there are the silly, normally mediocre-to-bad cards I could run for a laugh:
Secretkeeper (buffed by hobgoblin, secret synergy)
Patriarch silverback (buffed by hobgoblin, beast)
Baron Rivendare (buffed by hobgoblin, deathrattle synergy)
And for the rest standard hunter cards.
Interesting change! I was kind of hoping they would make it a 1/3 with that statline, it just seems too weak now. But whatever I'm happy with it over all. I'll be a little sad if Control desks begin too... control the meta tho because I always had a lot of success with anti-aggro Priest decks.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I hope they do, I don't mind running clockwork gnome or zombie chow and backstab will always 1:1 it now. The half assed counters I was running before are actually now real counters, cause even in a clockwork gnome exchange with UT, I get a spare part out of the deal.
Most of my losses to Hunter (when they play UT early) have nothing to do with being unable to clear UT after a turn or two... It's always being unable to recover from the damage it causes, losing to steady shot over time and eventually KC. That hasn't changed. Plus Face Hunter is so strong it still wins a lot of games even if they never pull a UT.
Class will easily still be top tier and it'll be the same old shit.
At least the nerf will convince some people to play other classes and decks so we see less of them for a bit... But it'll come back. It always does.
Class will easily still be top tier and it'll be the same old shit.
At least the nerf will convince some people to play other classes and decks so we see less of them for a bit... But it'll come back. It always does.
Loatheb is still untouched
Undertaker wasn't the best card, just unbalanced.
Gormless Noodle
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Might be fun, but won't be competitive. I'd put Jeeves in there for card draw if you plan on running that many low cost minions and it has synergy with the goblin as well.
Kitkatz booted from tempostorm
http://tempostorm.com/articles/kitkatz-weiseguy-released-from-tempo-storm-pro-team
http://tempostorm.com/articles/kitkatz-weiseguy-released-from-tempo-storm-pro-team
They already do!
partyphone
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I agree. however mech mage, zoo and face hunter will still be viable decks.
Bitmap Frogs
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Hunter can't get a break T_T
Mobius and pet octopus
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Guys... mechwarper vomit into metaltooth leaper. You still can't be too greedy with control decks.
Zoo will always be a baseline to keep control decks honest.
Zoo just has a fundamental strategy at its core that will always be good regardless of what cards get added/nerfed. Unless they ever nerf the warlock hero power I guess but I doubt that will happen.
Zoo just has a fundamental strategy at its core that will always be good regardless of what cards get added/nerfed. Unless they ever nerf the warlock hero power I guess but I doubt that will happen.
I'm glad. Whenever I played Huntertaker it was like cheating. Does your opponent have 3 damage removal in their opening hand? If not, win. The Lil Exorcist wasn't even a good counter because it didn't work off Undertaker, only the Deathrattle minions that supported it.
But if you thought UT was bad, wait till you see Mechwarper.
But if you thought UT was bad, wait till you see Mechwarper.
partyphone
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midrange hunter will still be good!
Undertaker(and Mad Scientist) are definitely overpowered, but I always assumed it was because Blizzard was taking a heavy-handed approach to balance, planting overpowered cards to push archetypes. I think that's something pretty much every major card game does to some extent, but that Blizzard's team has gone too far with it.
I'm actually excited that they're nerfing the card to something more reasonable, but I do wonder if more changes will have to be made because of it. Also, I really hope that if they're changing UT, they change Mad Scientist too.
What are you talking about, Sludge Butcher didn't get nerfed.
What does the term "greedy" in Control Deck/HS lingo mean?
Also, fuck these awful booster packs! Three this week alone that have only contained one terrible, non-golden rare - and two of them were fucking TARGET DUMMIES ARGHAGSHJAGHS
Hah! Hadn't thought of it that way before. You're right. About the only solid positive is including several cheap death rattle minions in the hopes of boosting it more than just once per turn, which was rare in my limited experience with a UT deck.
edit- ah, as per ZealousD below, I forgot there was a mana cost difference between them.
Also, fuck these awful booster packs! Three this week alone that have only contained one terrible, non-golden rare - and two of them were fucking TARGET DUMMIES ARGHAGSHJAGHS
Hah! Hadn't thought of it that way before. You're right. About the only solid positive is including several cheap death rattle minions in the hopes of boosting it more than just once per turn, which was rare in my limited experience with a UT deck.
edit- ah, as per ZealousD below, I forgot there was a mana cost difference between them.
Micro machine costs 2 mana. There should be a significant difference's in power. Its like comparing Flame Imp to Knife Juggler and saying Flame Imp sucks.
Professor Lich
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It comes out quicker and can technically grow faster than Micro Machine. To be fair, Undertaker was only strong since of all other synergies it had were also strong, eg. Mad Scientist who was just mentioned.
Wouldn't be surprised if Hunter moved to mech based decks now that you mentioned that. Cogmaster is pretty good and Metaltooth Leaper can be insane. I just hope more interesting decks pop up.
It'll be mech mage, face hunter, and Zoo 4lyfe.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Looks like Undertaker got Brock Lesnar'd.
I'll show myself out
LOL, I wanted to write something similar
There appears to be a Lunar New Year event coming: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/765-hearthstone-patch-7628-lunar-new-year-undertaker
Basically the less powerful aggro is, the less low cost cards they need in order to fight aggro early in the match.
It refers to the number of powerful, high cost cards they have.
Basically the less powerful aggro is, the less low cost cards they need in order to fight aggro early in the match.
TetraxShards
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"MY CLIENT, THE BEAST, CONQUERED THE STREAK!" - Ben "Brode Bristle" Brode
Decided to buy a 7 pack of gvg packs. All commons and 1 rare (per pack) til my 5th pack. As luck would have it I got my first legendary, but kind of a shitty one I'll never want to play (flame leviathan). Last two packs were nice though
Okay so this happened in my last arena match, guy dropped a Bomber into my Harvest Golem on turn 3, killing it.
Who the hell does that? It's a free Bomber even in this best case scenario. Anyway it might have been his only play, happens. But get this: the match now has devolved into topdicking and I finally draw my Boom. He pings the 7/7 body, then plays another Bomber which unerringly kills my leftover 6/1 and both Bots.
That's ridiculous. These calculations have to be handled strictly server-side so you shouldn't be able to manipulate them, but the way he played those turns makes it smell incredibly fishy. Is this what happens when you believe in the heart of the cards?
Who the hell does that? It's a free Bomber even in this best case scenario. Anyway it might have been his only play, happens. But get this: the match now has devolved into topdicking and I finally draw my Boom. He pings the 7/7 body, then plays another Bomber which unerringly kills my leftover 6/1 and both Bots.
That's ridiculous. These calculations have to be handled strictly server-side so you shouldn't be able to manipulate them, but the way he played those turns makes it smell incredibly fishy. Is this what happens when you believe in the heart of the cards?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
So I just had a match where a Warlock won with Hellfire, killing both of us in the process. It registered as a loss for me, he had 3 health I had 2. Does the one with less health lose or do we both lose?
Pretty sure both players get the defeat screen but neither is penalized (i.e. ranked star/arena life/casual MMR).
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