Hearthstone |OT3| Preparing for the Ball of Spiders Meta
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EnVy_CaLiBeR
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My games are messing up too. It's not just you. Wonder what's up.
That sounds great. I really want to see how far they get with that trash at the start of a season since all the loaded decks will be there too.
Mobius and pet octopus
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More like:
Race of the face hunters and maybe zoo or aggro mage.
Race of the face hunters and maybe zoo or aggro mage.
toddhunter
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Watch Forsen get Dr Boom in his first pack.
hypersheep
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Currently having login issues with Hearthstone and games are buggy as hell. Play ranked or Arena at your own risk.
Blizzard is apparently aware: https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/593534122812837891
Blizzard is apparently aware: https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/593534122812837891
explains my free wins! thanks!
BananasWithGuns
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Tomorrow, and yeah, Naxx is probably worth it. Lot of good cards in that set.
TheChewyWaffles
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Would anyone else agree that each match is almost won or lost based on your mulligan, especially if you're not face hunter? (one of the things which makes face hunter so playable)
It's kind of disappointing. I think heroes with 35 life might make this game more interesting.
It's kind of disappointing. I think heroes with 35 life might make this game more interesting.
I hope this means HearthStone for Windows phone in the near future.
http://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-going-all-out-courting-ios-android-developers
http://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-going-all-out-courting-ios-android-developers
Against Aggro decks opening mulligan is extremely important but in Control vs Control you can generally overcome bad mulligans as long as you draw the right answers at the right time.
Face Hunters can get a bad mulligan too... it's usually something like two Exploding Traps and an Owl.
TheChewyWaffles
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That's kind of the point, I guess, and maybe I was speaking on behalf of my Druid main more than anything. For me as a ramp/combo druid with a hint of control I absolutely win or lose based on mulligan. It sucks, because I generally know whether or not I'm going to lose badly within a couple of turns.
Then that's just due to you playing a ramp Druid.
Like Dah said, for most control/midrange decks it's not as important. You should play all types of decks if you are frustrated at mulligans in ramp Druid
I will fully admit that it does not matter for Face Hunter 95% of the time. It's extremely rare to get a totally bad start for Face Hunter. Most starting hands are at least "ok"
That's another reason why I only play Face Hunter
Nah dude Druid can overcome bad draws unless it's against hyper aggro or another Druid drawing well way better than any other midrange/control deck
Reading your posts I rather get the impression you're simply not playing the class as well as you could
When you don't draw the ramp cheats early you gotta go into maximum value mode to take back the board at all costs, and Druid has plenty of ways to do that
Reading your posts I rather get the impression you're simply not playing the class as well as you could
When you don't draw the ramp cheats early you gotta go into maximum value mode to take back the board at all costs, and Druid has plenty of ways to do that
BlackBuzzard
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How is this not completely broken, another fucking otk bullshit move. I dominated him the entire match and the only thing he has to do is fucking use some broken mechanic that needs fixing, Warsong commanders charge buff should be negated as soon as a minion goes beyond the 3 atk.
The spectate a win is quickly becoming my most hated goddamn daily. Everytime I try to spectate something happens. Just now the fucking game crashes and the store goes down when Im about to see someone win. Fucking annoying.
Daaaaaaaaaamn
How is this not completely broken, another fucking otk bullshit move. I dominated him the entire match and the only thing he has to do is fucking use some broken mechanic that needs fixing, Warsong commanders charge buff should be negated as soon as a minion goes beyond the 3 atk.
Daaaaaaaaaamn
That's what happens when you flood against Dank Warrior lategame without having seen Frothings
It's like old Miracle, as long as they can survive and keep drawing you're not dominating them - it's a pure combo deck, not a board control one
Their entire gameplan is keeping the board somewhat in check with as little investment as possible while finding their win conditions
It's like old Miracle, as long as they can survive and keep drawing you're not dominating them - it's a pure combo deck, not a board control one
Their entire gameplan is keeping the board somewhat in check with as little investment as possible while finding their win conditions
BlackBuzzard
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Yeah i took care of the stupid GET IN HERE bullocks just to get screwed over by broken game mechanics.
Frothing Berserker was always an insane card, it just never fit into the warrior's gameplan until now.
I don't really like those kinds of combo decks, though. I'm running something more akin to an aggro warrior. It's got the same combos but it's more aggressive with cards like Dragon Egg and Axe Flinger. So I don't necessarily have to pray for the perfect setup.
I don't really like those kinds of combo decks, though. I'm running something more akin to an aggro warrior. It's got the same combos but it's more aggressive with cards like Dragon Egg and Axe Flinger. So I don't necessarily have to pray for the perfect setup.
How is it broken when you can see it coming from miles away
A single taunt, a smaller board or applying high pressure early forcing out their combo pieces stops them dead in their tracks
It's a bad matchup for Priest because it plays right into Dank Warrior's plans, every deck has those
A single taunt, a smaller board or applying high pressure early forcing out their combo pieces stops them dead in their tracks
It's a bad matchup for Priest because it plays right into Dank Warrior's plans, every deck has those
That seems much less consistent to me tbh, I don't see how low value cards like Flinger (which I really wanted to like but just can't) can justify dropping the draw when you still rely on the same combos to close out the game - for which you now actually have to pray due to the lack of draw. But maybe your list is totally different from what I'm imagining.
That said the deck is far from being perfectly optimized, expect many iterations in the near future.
Even without Emperor Force+Roar is the most bs combo in the game tbqh
It improves tremendously with any kind of minion your opponent is unable to clear (and spamming those is all Druid does), the pieces are solid removal on their own so you lose almost nothing by including two each and it's only a 2 card combo to begin with
Good luck reclaiming the board with single Warsongs and Frothings
Here's my current iteration.
I haven't dropped any draw. It's still got the two acolytes and two battle rages. I wouldn't say this form of the deck is perfected but I think it's still a very competitive form of the deck. This is basically the best kind of deck to put Dragon Egg in because you're almost always going to get two whelps out of it.
Yeah, FoN/SR is dumb just because it barely matters what the gameplan for druid is, might as well toss a copy of that in so if they happen to be at 14 health with no taunt they're dead.
Atleast normal combo decks are built entirely around it, and with patron in particular there are a few win conditions that are reliant on warsong. The deck is pretty hard to play since if you have control and eat an AoE it's hard to have the draw to come right back, you atleast feel like you make progress if they drop an early frothing or even a grim that you can take out.
Atleast normal combo decks are built entirely around it, and with patron in particular there are a few win conditions that are reliant on warsong. The deck is pretty hard to play since if you have control and eat an AoE it's hard to have the draw to come right back, you atleast feel like you make progress if they drop an early frothing or even a grim that you can take out.
Interesting. Cards like Rampage, Bloodsail and Flinger are generally too clunky for my taste but I might give it a shot.Here's my current iteration.
I haven't dropped any draw. It's still got the two acolytes and two battle rages. I wouldn't say this form of the deck is perfected but I think it's still a very competitive form of the deck. This is basically the best kind of deck to put Dragon Egg in because you're almost always going to get two whelps out of it.
Admittedly, Rampage might be one of the cards I cut. Bloodsail is fine as a 2 mana 2/3 I think, so I don't sweat it, as she's still pretty epic if you can get her with a weapon out. The two unstables and the extra whirlwind help with the Axe Flingers, I think.
Instead of being a combo-oriented deck, it's an aggro deck against control/midrange and plays board control against other aggro decks before closing out with burst at the end. I think it's still favored against Face Hunter, there have definitely been games where I have outfaced the Face Hunter because I can establish the board so early and they have to do things like use Kill Command on frothings. Also I definitely go for face with weapons sometimes. I haven't quite figured out when that is and isn't the best decision, though.
in general all types of Warrior has an advantage over Face Hunter, from my experiences
Does this deck still destroy Freeze Mage??
Don't think I've gone up against freeze mage with the deck, yet. If there's a warrior deck that does the worst against freeze mage it's probably this one. Admittedly armoring up doesn't do quite as much in this deck as in other decks. But boards are still small and weapons are immune to frost nova, so I'm sure it probably does fine.
Sigismundo
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Would there be a Warrior deck that Grom wouldn't fit in? He seems far too good to pass up.
Mobius and pet octopus
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There have been grim patron decks that don't run grom, even in high level tournament play.
TheChewyWaffles
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I've made it to rank 8 with this deck. I think I need to watch good Druid players on Twitch to get some ideas, maybe.
RumblingRosco
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Strifecro just did 45 damage on turn 9 as Grim Patron Warrior... he had an empty board and just a Death's Bite (with 1 durability remaining) to start the turn.
He had reduced the cost of a bunch of stuff with Emporer (for 1 turn). Then he did the following:
Warsong Commander (2 mana)
Dread Corsair (0 mana due to Death's Bite being equipped)
Dread Corsair (0 mana due to Death's Bite being equipped)
Frothing Berserker (2 mana)
Frothing Berserker (2 mana)
Acolyte of Pain (2 mana)
Attacked with Death's Bite, proccing the whirlwind effect, buffing his Berserkers to 10 attack each; his opponent had two minions on the board, one dying after the Death's Bite procced. This also damaged his Acolyte, which drew into a Whirlwind.
Whirlwind (1 mana) which buffed his Frothings up to 18 attack or something like that.
And just like that, GG.
He had reduced the cost of a bunch of stuff with Emporer (for 1 turn). Then he did the following:
Warsong Commander (2 mana)
Dread Corsair (0 mana due to Death's Bite being equipped)
Dread Corsair (0 mana due to Death's Bite being equipped)
Frothing Berserker (2 mana)
Frothing Berserker (2 mana)
Acolyte of Pain (2 mana)
Attacked with Death's Bite, proccing the whirlwind effect, buffing his Berserkers to 10 attack each; his opponent had two minions on the board, one dying after the Death's Bite procced. This also damaged his Acolyte, which drew into a Whirlwind.
Whirlwind (1 mana) which buffed his Frothings up to 18 attack or something like that.
And just like that, GG.
Haunted
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Well, "just like that" does kinda downplay the difficulty of setting up this 9(!)-card combo that was only possible with specific preparations done on previous turns and then drawing into another specific card.
pretty spectacular topdicking though
Whoever's luckier and can pull off the most ridiculous play wins.
From what I've seen of any of the matchups, as long as Emperor hits at least 1 of the key components of the combo, you've got a really good chance of winning. Usually that's at least 2 of the following: Grim Patron, Warsong Commander, and Frothing Berserker. 0 mana activators are pretty sick, though...
Thankfully, the deck can be tough to play. I've run into it a couple of times and some players have no idea how to use it.
BlackBuzzard
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hypersheep
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Killing a legendary with Rend is so satisfying. His kill count mostly consists of Loathebs and Emperors, but removing a 5/5 and playing an 8/4 is still a pretty big tempo swing.
Made some edits to my Patron deck thats pretty much making it a pain in the ass for anybody as long as I get a semi-decent draw.
-1 Gnomish Inventor
+1 Armorsmith
-1 Slam
+1 Inner Rage
-1 Dread Corsair
+1 Enhance-o Mechano
Rampage is also a good card to keep your card (warsong/patron/frothing) alive.
-1 Gnomish Inventor
+1 Armorsmith
-1 Slam
+1 Inner Rage
-1 Dread Corsair
+1 Enhance-o Mechano
Rampage is also a good card to keep your card (warsong/patron/frothing) alive.
MetroidPrimeRib
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My second instance of someone adding me after losing, as Tempo Mage
CarbonatedFalcon
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Kripp in arena:
Fairly dominating position. "He needs exactly Deathwing".
AND IT'S MOTHA-FUCKING DEATHWING.
Proceeds to lose.
Guy was playing dragon pally. 3 fairie dragons and 2 twilight drakes. Along with the big guy of course.
Some salt if I've ever seen it.
Fairly dominating position. "He needs exactly Deathwing".
AND IT'S MOTHA-FUCKING DEATHWING.
Proceeds to lose.
Guy was playing dragon pally. 3 fairie dragons and 2 twilight drakes. Along with the big guy of course.
Some salt if I've ever seen it.
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