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veryslowhand
Banned
Anyone to be spectated eu? Need it for the daily, I'm torete#2149
Haunted
Member
Stop netdecking.I'm on a 10 loss streak with several net decks. Is there an anger management class I can go to? because I literally want to punch everyone in the jaw including myself.
Since you just copied the cards, there's no sense of ownership of the decks. There's no sense of pride or fulfilment when winning a game. There's no possibility to adjust the decks after losing, because someone else already "perfectly optimised" them and it's not much fun tampering with someone else's deck anyway.
Honestly, losing with your own decks is much more fun.
Haunted
Member
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I am so sick of Grim Patron SARS.
Gully State
Member
Honestly what's taking them so long with this? It's like the most requested feature. I can't be the only one who feels that the client feels so barebones.
Super Nothing
Member
The lack of deck slots is especially annoying right after new card releases and during new campaigns. It's a pain in the ass to have to delete decks to make room for custom decks for beating bosses and to not have space for new decks to try out the new cards. They really just need to change it to where the deck page is a link for each of the nine characters that takes you to a page with 9 deck slots. This wouldn't be too confusing for new players (honestly, I don't think it would be confusing at all), and 81 decks is a negligible amount of data that they have to store on their servers. I doubt most people would even use all 81 slots, it would just be nice to have 2-3 decks per class.
My favorite 5 games in the last few days.
1 getting a hunter to 10 health at turn 9 as Mage with pyro in hand
2 wiping a zoo warlocks board completely with fire dude and spells. Perfect RNG.
3 wiping the board of a face hunter because he left my flame walker alive and went face.
4 my wins with my handlock have become more stable now that we have the AoE that doesn't kills demons, no more face damage to stop rushing
5 arena win turn 7 by causing the opponent to fatigue, I was Mage and had a lot of cards when he played the fel reaver, of which I had two 1 mana freeze from some mech and the 3 mana gnome lol. Burned his entire deck, so beautiful
1 getting a hunter to 10 health at turn 9 as Mage with pyro in hand
2 wiping a zoo warlocks board completely with fire dude and spells. Perfect RNG.
3 wiping the board of a face hunter because he left my flame walker alive and went face.
4 my wins with my handlock have become more stable now that we have the AoE that doesn't kills demons, no more face damage to stop rushing
5 arena win turn 7 by causing the opponent to fatigue, I was Mage and had a lot of cards when he played the fel reaver, of which I had two 1 mana freeze from some mech and the 3 mana gnome lol. Burned his entire deck, so beautiful
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Face it Hearthstone is incredibly barebones. I hope another company makes a good card game, so Blizzard might have to get off its ass and actually do something, besides roll out solo adventures that are nothing to write home about and feel lacklustre.
Game has been out of beta for about a year now and barely anything has changed.
They are getting no money from me till they actually start balancing and adding features/modes etc.
Game has been out of beta for about a year now and barely anything has changed.
They are getting no money from me till they actually start balancing and adding features/modes etc.
veloxStrix
Banned
What game modes and features do you want? What needs to be balanced?
Minsc
Gold Member
I'm looking forward to seeing the Magic: The Gathering Duels version take on F2P that releases pretty soon.
It'll have stuff beyond 1v1 (not sure if there's 2v2, but Two-Headed Giant is in), so right there that'll be pretty great, and it will have a lot more strategy to it as well (at least in theory, until everyone just netdecks 3 turn win decks like in HS).
Hearthstone is really missing some sort of co-op or 2v2 gameplay mode. Not sure how it'd work exactly, maybe it's not as feasible as in MTG, but even just a free-for-all mode of 1v1v1, etc... of course they'd have to implement some sort of rotating battlefield... I don't know. It just definitely seem like the F2P Duels CCG will offer quite a few things Hearthstone doesn't.
I can think of two noteworthy games I've been a part of:
1. A Control Warrior vs. Control Warrior match-up. Things got out of control for my opponent as I wound up with two Armorsmiths out on the field for a considerable amount of time. At one point the life differential was something like 74 to 28. And yet, this was one game I had a distinct possibility of losing. I was 3 cards up on my opponent thanks to some better Acolyte of Pain play, so I hit fatigue early. (CW vs. CW? obviously going to end in fatigue) He ended up with Grommash (with no activators) and Ysera on his board, Grommash got cleared by Brawl and Ysera by a 27 damage Shield Slam. I managed to close the game out with Gorehowl. I had maybe 20 life left at the end, which wouldn't have lasted long if I couldn't clear his board along with fatigue.
2. Druid vs. Paladin in Arena. The life differential was about 1 to 20 something in my opponent's favor. I was able to get board control back at the last moment and came back to win the game. It was tense as fuck for the first 4 turns since my opponent could have won if he topdecked Consecration or Truesilver. Had to make sure to leave 2 mana to hero power every turn for the armor gain. I had been feeling salty earlier in the game when nothing seemed to go my way and had almost conceded, but I stuck it out and ended up with the win. Never give up, kids.
1. A Control Warrior vs. Control Warrior match-up. Things got out of control for my opponent as I wound up with two Armorsmiths out on the field for a considerable amount of time. At one point the life differential was something like 74 to 28. And yet, this was one game I had a distinct possibility of losing. I was 3 cards up on my opponent thanks to some better Acolyte of Pain play, so I hit fatigue early. (CW vs. CW? obviously going to end in fatigue) He ended up with Grommash (with no activators) and Ysera on his board, Grommash got cleared by Brawl and Ysera by a 27 damage Shield Slam. I managed to close the game out with Gorehowl. I had maybe 20 life left at the end, which wouldn't have lasted long if I couldn't clear his board along with fatigue.
2. Druid vs. Paladin in Arena. The life differential was about 1 to 20 something in my opponent's favor. I was able to get board control back at the last moment and came back to win the game. It was tense as fuck for the first 4 turns since my opponent could have won if he topdecked Consecration or Truesilver. Had to make sure to leave 2 mana to hero power every turn for the armor gain. I had been feeling salty earlier in the game when nothing seemed to go my way and had almost conceded, but I stuck it out and ended up with the win. Never give up, kids.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I would love:
Built-in voice chat (friends online)
"Arena" with friends
Achievements
Ladder rewards
And I'll be 100% satisfied
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Top of my head.
Arena without rewards or entrance fee.
Duo battle's.
More fucking card slots.
Appear offline.
Being able to pick between classic or GVG packs for arena awards.
A reward system that actually makes laddering worth it.
Balance
Dr. GG
Mad scientist put trap in hand instead of field.
Make Shaman less of an rng class. Totem is by far the worst hero power its so rng based its not even fun to play with. Its just bottom of the barrel together with Priest and Rogue.
Start balancing arena so it isn't just 80% of the time Mage or Paladin i face.
Buff some cards like Argent commander back to its original 4/3 with the powercreep it fits rights.
Change Blastmage to a 4/4.
It's probably not the decks, dude.
Pick ONE deck, and not some flavor of the month "fun dragon" deck or some shit, and learn how to pilot it properly. Watch a stream, ask a better player to spectate you, post videos of your play here.
Don't rely on a netdeck to win, you still have to make optimal plays.
I opened up a Golden Trade Prince Gallywix yesterday. Normally I dust all of my golden cards and craft what I want. I'm starting to reach the point of diminishing returns with my collection though. I already have a normal Trade Prince, he was actually the first gvg Legendary I opened, so which one should I dust?
The real question is does Golden Gallywix give you golden spells? I mean that would probably make him worth keeping.
The real question is does Golden Gallywix give you golden spells? I mean that would probably make him worth keeping.
Uuf, I just played against a taunt druid. He innervated the 5/10 ancient on turn 5 and the only "answer" I had in my hand was unstable portal. I got an Earth Elemental (7/8) :lol
He had to trade off his tree and burn a swipe to get rid of it! I kinda felt bad for him after the match.
He had to trade off his tree and burn a swipe to get rid of it! I kinda felt bad for him after the match.
I'm almost certain he does. I'd definitely keep him either way. Fun card.
I have like 25 dust. And yeah gifting of spare stuff (cards, dust, gold) should totally be a thing, but I imagine it would be abused by gold farmers or whatever, which is probably why it's not in the game to start with.
As a previous poster on this page said, just don't netdeck. Netdecking takes ownership out of your victories. Build your own decks, optimize them, and realize that Hearthstone is 1000 times better when you engage in the deck building aspect of the game and spice up the ranked ladder with something unique. Beats the hell out of being another brain dead face hunter who's only contribution is making Hearthstone less fun to play in their misguided quest for wins over all else.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
RNGrena is gonna RNG.
I know you're venting, but "dank Iron Dwarf" made me laugh out loud. I want that card.
shira
Member
this reddit thread should be in the OP
http://redd.it/305zwf
Tonnes of people who want to be spectated
I wouldn't even be mad, he had to pick tinkmaster and get that RNG right :lol
Priest should have cards that allow you pay extra mana for extra stats/benefits.
I was thinking about priest and how it continues to be a class that can't seem to handle multiple deck types.
Priest also has a serious lack of class mechanics compared to other classes. All other classes have unique mechanics like Combos or Overload, or shared mechanics like Weapons or Secrets.
So what if Priest gained the choose one mechanic, but it increased the cost of the card?
Holy Smite - 1 mana deal 2 damage. 4 mana deal 5 damage.
Twilight Whelp - 1 mana: +2 health when holding dragon. 2 mana: +1 health for each dragon card in hand.
I was thinking about priest and how it continues to be a class that can't seem to handle multiple deck types.
Priest also has a serious lack of class mechanics compared to other classes. All other classes have unique mechanics like Combos or Overload, or shared mechanics like Weapons or Secrets.
So what if Priest gained the choose one mechanic, but it increased the cost of the card?
Holy Smite - 1 mana deal 2 damage. 4 mana deal 5 damage.
Twilight Whelp - 1 mana: +2 health when holding dragon. 2 mana: +1 health for each dragon card in hand.
Gully State
Member
I didn't know netdecking is so frowned upon here. I have decks which I build from the ground up (which thus far have been terrible) and then I have decks that I copy and will alter by one or two cards for ladder play (I don't have a face hunter deck but I do own a mech mage deck for quick wins). I generally just play constructed enough to bang out my daily quests and head back into arena though. I suppose I might feel differently once I decide to climb the ladder to get to legend.
Finally lost to a patron warrior -- but not as zoo. Switched to handlock, which is supposed to be a counter.
So I'm like 9-0 vs Patron Warrior as zoo, which is supposed to be a bad matchup, and I'm 0-1 as Handlock, which is supposed to heavily favor me.
I am psyched that the Zoo/Patron meta makes Handlock a great ladder deck, because it might be my favorite deck to use.
So I'm like 9-0 vs Patron Warrior as zoo, which is supposed to be a bad matchup, and I'm 0-1 as Handlock, which is supposed to heavily favor me.
I am psyched that the Zoo/Patron meta makes Handlock a great ladder deck, because it might be my favorite deck to use.
There's a subset of players in any card game that frown upon netdecking - it basically means the players who create the best decks don't have to be the best players. Someone else could create AWESOMEDECK X that is then just ran by someone else to the Top 8 or whatever of a tournament, meaning they did zero thinking on building it, just all the work of playing WITH it.
I think I have like a 95% winrate with Zoolock right now even against Grim Patron. A couple of my losses were just scumbag Mage getting double Fireball on curve or Face Hunter double Kill Command but I win against those types of decks more than I lose against them.
On the other hand I have a much lower win rate with Grim Patron and almost all of the loses were due to my fault. I think I am getting too caught up in trying to win in spectacular fashion with Patrons as opposed to just playing them when the situation is right. Definitely takes some getting used to. I have however not lost a game using Grim Patron against Face Hunter. The deck is ridiculously strong though, against certain classes it's pretty much auto win.
On the other hand I have a much lower win rate with Grim Patron and almost all of the loses were due to my fault. I think I am getting too caught up in trying to win in spectacular fashion with Patrons as opposed to just playing them when the situation is right. Definitely takes some getting used to. I have however not lost a game using Grim Patron against Face Hunter. The deck is ridiculously strong though, against certain classes it's pretty much auto win.
Brian Griffin
Member
Had a crazy unlucky 1/3 Priest run where I faced Tirion, Sneeds into The Beast, and my PC crashing. After that I drafted this:
I actually was offered a 2nd KT but took Boom instead. I'm not getting too excited though because decks that look this good can still go 0/3 with shit draws and bad luck.
I actually was offered a 2nd KT but took Boom instead. I'm not getting too excited though because decks that look this good can still go 0/3 with shit draws and bad luck.
FiveSix4Three
Member
Only thing missing is a goblin skillmage.
The 3 slot is a bit weak but otherwise this deck is INSANE.
There's no normal Zoo anymore... there's the "midrange" Zoo now. It basically has a really aggressive early game, really stick minions and huge tempo swings. To top it off it even has late game win condition through Dr Balanced and Malganis, even Sea Giants and huge Void Terrors.
So guys what challenge should Challengestone use next? Here are a couple of my suggestions for the challenge for Challengestone#2:
Example#1:
*Creatures must have different attacks and health values (so no Dr Balanced, Sylvanas, Emperor etc).
*Cannot use spells that hit the hero (no Consecrates, no Fireballs, no Kill Commands etc) or impact either hero in some the way (like Sacrificial Pact destroying Jaraxxus type effects).
Example Deck: Control Warrior: 2x Execute, 2x Shield Slam, 2x Fiery War Axe, 2x Whirlwind, 2x Shield Block, 2x Acolyte, 2x Armorsmith, 2x Death Bite, 2x Belcher, 2x Shredder, Baron Gedden, 2x BGH, 1x Brawl, 1x Grommash, 1x Caine Bloodhoof, 1x Kelthuzad, 1x Sneeds Old Shredder, 1x Spell Breaker.
Example#2:
*Creatures may not have any random element tot hem (so no Shredders, no Ragnaros, no Dr Balanced, no Knife Jugglers, no Void Callers etc)
*Cannot use spells that can target minions (AOE or random spells are fine but no spells that you have to directly target a minion with. So basically no Poly, no Hexes, Fireballs etc).
Example Deck: Handlock
2x, Zombie Chow, 2x Hellfire, 1x BGH, 1x Owl, 2x Earthen Far Seer, 2x Ancient Watcher, 2x Sunfury Protector, 2x Molten Giants, 2x Drakes, 2x Belchers, 1x Jaraxxus, 2x Shadowflame, 2x Mountain Giants, 2x Twilight Drake, Caine Bloodhoof, 2x Defender of Argus, 1x Kelthuzad, 1x Antique Healbot, Emperor Thaurissan.
Stop netdecking.
Since you just copied the cards, there's no sense of ownership of the decks. There's no sense of pride or fulfilment when winning a game. There's no possibility to adjust the decks after losing, because someone else already "perfectly optimised" them and it's not much fun tampering with someone else's deck anyway.
Honestly, losing with your own decks is much more fun.
This is terrible fucking advice. I've made my own decks and I've netdecked and anyone who looks down on netdecks can fuck right off. Whether I've netdecked or not I am in fact capable of having fun playing the game.
In response to the original question, you have to ask yourself what you're losing to and why. Perhaps the decks you are running are just weak against the decks you're facing, maybe you're not playing them correctly, maybe you need to think about what tech cards you're running or want to be running.
Brian Griffin
Member
Yeah, I didn't want to take the 2nd Dupe but it was that or shit.
I definitely still see the old zoo, except now with imp masters. It's about 50/50.
If you're losing with netdecks then you have problems with fundamentals.
Most popular decks have a writeup or something on LiquidHearth, so I recommend lreading those. I also recommend stalking pro players and analyze their play move by move. Think about what move you would make and contrast that with what move a player like Kolento makes and then try to figure out what was the thought process that led you two down different paths.
Most popular decks have a writeup or something on LiquidHearth, so I recommend lreading those. I also recommend stalking pro players and analyze their play move by move. Think about what move you would make and contrast that with what move a player like Kolento makes and then try to figure out what was the thought process that led you two down different paths.
Yeah, plenty of traditional zoo out there. Just beat a guy who played two of the 1/1 divine shield guys on turn one, played tons of aggro cards like Dire Wolf and Leeroy. (Rushing down my health as handlock didn't really work out for him, since he couldn't deal with my taunted giants and I had lethal on turn 9 with hellfire)
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