TetraxShards
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Getting Thoughtsteal from them, the new dream!
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Getting Thoughtsteal from them, the new dream!
People thought Neptulon was a bad card when it was first unveiled. An 9 mana 8/8 that draws 2 cards sounds pretty good to me. I think the card is going to be better than people give it credit for. I think there are actually very few "shit" spells in the game. Just suboptimal ones. Its not like getting wisp from unstable portal or something.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It will depend on each match up really. Neptulon helps a lot vs control classes since it provides minions and board refilling/establishment. It is a really high value card that is somewhat reliable. But with nefarian the results are much higher variance and provide less long term value than neptulon due to being spells.
Once people do the "math" on what cards are "good" to steal from the "bad", the strength of nefarian will become more apparent. I can't imagine bliz just adds a simply bad high cost legendary though, like nefarian. Although they have added a lot of "just for fun" cards before.
That and Mind Control were what I was thinking. Priest has so many good spells though it would be hard to go wrong with any of them.
Plenty of spells are like getting Wisp out of Unstable Portal if you have to wait until turn 10 to play them.
Hell even Moonfire is better than wisp. Name me one spell that's worse than paying 2 mana for a 1/1.
All weapon spells if you don't have a weapon, Feign Death if you don't have any Deathrattle minions, Shadowform if you want to use your Hero Power, Tree of Life if you're an aggro deck, Totemic Might if it's not a Shaman/Shaman mirror match, Sense Demons if you're not a Warlock, and Shadow Madness if your opponent never plays another low-cost minion (a strong possibility by turn 10).
I like these new cards. They each have some potential use and are worth trying out.
I don't see Drakonid Crusher as a strictly win more card. It's advantage is in decks that lack good finishers. It's okay as a 6/6 minion if needed, and it synergizes well with the "hold a dragon" cards, as there's incentive to hold it.
Volcanic Drake seems pretty rad. 4 health means it is just outside of range of most cheap removal spells, and it's a perfect follow up to lightning storm, consecration, blade flurry, or hellfire.
Nefarian will make for some hilarious RNG action. Too expensive for most decks, I'm sure, but will be fun to experiment with.
I don't see Drakonid Crusher as a strictly win more card. It's advantage is in decks that lack good finishers. It's okay as a 6/6 minion if needed, and it synergizes well with the "hold a dragon" cards, as there's incentive to hold it.
Volcanic Drake seems pretty rad. 4 health means it is just outside of range of most cheap removal spells, and it's a perfect follow up to lightning storm, consecration, blade flurry, or hellfire.
Nefarian will make for some hilarious RNG action. Too expensive for most decks, I'm sure, but will be fun to experiment with.
Bestial Wrath can't be used in the majority of decks. Better to have a 1/1 than a dead card. Wild Growth at that stage of the game is worse. Paying 2 mana to draw a card when you should have had a free card to begin with. Totemic Might.
Plenty of bad options my man.
I personally can't wait to play Nefarian though. I think it'll be loads of fun. Definitely going straight into my Priest deck.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Holy crap the commentary in this kinguin tournament is bad. No wonder they are looking for new commentators. Lothar isn't bad though.
I think maybe rogue as well. A control rogue dragon deck seems like it could be a thing. Rogue can board clear quite well, also stack the board with violet teacher tokens and get big value out of volcanic drake from that as well.
I guess the dream is a turn 5 dark iron stulker into a free volcanic drake. 4/3 + a 6/4 + board clear. Definitely not something for oil rogue but we've seen control rogue do fairly well in gvg.
I think maybe rogue as well. A control rogue dragon deck seems like it could be a thing. Rogue can board clear quite well, also stack the board with violet teacher tokens and get big value out of volcanic drake from that as well.
I guess the dream is a turn 5 dark iron stulker into a free volcanic drake. 4/3 + a 6/4 + board clear. Definitely not something for oil rogue but we've seen control rogue do fairly well in gvg.
Okay, I guess totemic might is a problem, as well as a few others. But not every card mentioned here is that bad. Some of these are serious stretches.
Upgrade gives you a 1/3 axe. You can still combo tinker though, can't you? I guess Deadly Poison is a nightmare.
Shadow form is the second best hero power in the game besides Jaraxxssus. There are some times where priest or warrior might be situationally better but shadowform is no joke if you have spare mana.
Nobody is putting Nefarian in an aggro deck.
You get two worthless imps. I actually think there's an argument that that's still better than a single wisp, even if it costs a bit more.
Sludge Belchers, Boom Bots, Bomb Lobber, Healbot... Shadow Madness is still good in the late game, people are playing low attack minions all the time.
Upgrade gives you a 1/3 axe. You can still combo tinker though, can't you? I guess Deadly Poison is a nightmare.
Shadow form is the second best hero power in the game besides Jaraxxssus. There are some times where priest or warrior might be situationally better but shadowform is no joke if you have spare mana.
Nobody is putting Nefarian in an aggro deck.
You get two worthless imps. I actually think there's an argument that that's still better than a single wisp, even if it costs a bit more.
Sludge Belchers, Boom Bots, Bomb Lobber, Healbot... Shadow Madness is still good in the late game, people are playing low attack minions all the time.
RumblingRosco
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Totemic Might.
Turn 2: Wild Growth
Turn 3: Coin, Innervate, Innervate, Nefarian --> 2x Totemic Might
Enemy's Turn 4: Big Game Hunter "Sorry."
Minsc
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I need some more of that RNG, all my Mages get to play like turn 5 Tirion and that 6/2 Priest GvG legendary for a huge swing... not to mention I can't remember the last Paladin I faced that didn't get both Musters in less than the first half of the deck, along with a Knife Juggler, Shielded Minibot, Peacekeeper or two, True Silver, and quite a few removals. Meanwhile I see my Chows in like 1/5 games or something lol.
Paladins are really in a class of their own atm I feel. Definitely the best class for laddering by far. Wish I had the cards for a typical Paladin legendary deck... still missing Tirion and a few GvG essentials.
platypotamus
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I'm currently amusing myself by thinking about a fictional meta in which everyone "plays around" Nef by playing as the class they think has the worst spells, all while no one is actually running Nef because they don't think he's good enough value.
I am sitting her imagining a situation where a Mage is up against Warlock and the only thing she has against a Warlock against a Jaraxxus who has lethal is a top dicked Unstable Portal. Unstable Portal is used and it drops a Nefarian. Nefarian is played and it pulls out a Sacrificial Pact...
The salt from this play would result in someone's monitor being tossed out the window...
The salt from this play would result in someone's monitor being tossed out the window...
If it means less Jaraxxsus, I'm all for it. =P
It would be even better if it happened to Reynad in a tournament.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Has anyone tested if Thoughtsteal takes from whats left in the deck or from the deck as if it was full?
What's left. And only what is in the deck, not the hand.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's kind of what I thought, but I was playing Priest a lot today and figured I should actually know.
I forgot Shield Slam if you're not a Warrior, but at least the game will let you play that card. Looking through the list of every spell currently in the game, these are the spells you would concievably not be able to play after Nefarian gives them to you if you're unlucky with the class combination:
Edit: I think Totemic Might is playable even if you don't have any totems, for whatever reason.
- Blade Flurry
- Deadly Poison
- Bestial Wrath
- Feign Death (pretty sure this doesn't light up as green if you don't have any Deathrattle minions)
- Savagery
Edit: I think Totemic Might is playable even if you don't have any totems, for whatever reason.
Darkflight
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April 2nd Confirmed:
https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/581226168914997249 said:
homeworkfilms
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I have yet to beat this new generation of control priests with any class at rank 3-1. They always get exactly what they need from my cards. Deathlord is way too good for some reason because almost always the card you get is a synergy card.
Drakonid Crusher sounds like it would be great in a Warrior as a finisher. Him and Charge on Turn 9 for potentially 11 damage that leaves a huge body. Maybe a tad late, but having multiple combos to finish the opponent off is never a bad thing, and its not like you can't just play him turn 6 on an empty board.
I can't wait to see Nefarian pull the turn 10 pyroblast or mind control. I don't see myself using this card seriously unless it was for lulz.
Volcanic Drake is going to be too situational to get decent value for it. I would use it in a Paladin deck though.
Drakonid Crusher will be good in arena, but in constructed it's a win more card. If my opponent is already down to 15 health, then I probably have a combo to win the game, or I'm already in decent shape to win the game to not need this card. At 6 mana, I would want more value from it when compared to other 6 mana cards. Plus I really don't need a 6 mana 9/9 unless Dr. Boom gets nerfed. I could see myself using this card in a Warrior deck.
Volcanic Drake is going to be too situational to get decent value for it. I would use it in a Paladin deck though.
Drakonid Crusher will be good in arena, but in constructed it's a win more card. If my opponent is already down to 15 health, then I probably have a combo to win the game, or I'm already in decent shape to win the game to not need this card. At 6 mana, I would want more value from it when compared to other 6 mana cards. Plus I really don't need a 6 mana 9/9 unless Dr. Boom gets nerfed. I could see myself using this card in a Warrior deck.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Drakonid crusher in warrior? Eh, maybe... not likely a control archetype though. I don't see shieldmaiden being replaced by drakonid. So likely not in control but maybe a more midrange. Even then... shieldmaiden is really good.
April 2? That means I'll be 30 gold short at my 50 gold per day average!
Gonna have to make it 51 gold per day instead.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Okay, Noxious is now the worst caster. Dude makes so many completely off the wall comments as serious commentary. Lothar is barely understandable at times so he is also quite bad.
You could probably fit it in the raging worgen deck somewhere.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It would likely just reduce the deck's consistency. That deck tries to cycle cards are much as possible and then get a near OTK turn. They simply don't go for face enough until the game is over so getting them to 15 to then make a less than 15 damage combo seems like it doesn't fit with the overall strategy of the deck.
I usually don't hate on people for having accents or lacking great English skills... but as a caster on an English channel... I expect better. We should get better.
Mobius and pet octopus
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That is almost literally all he is capable of doing. At least that is what I get from him every time he casts. I like it when casters know what they are talking about.
BananasWithGuns
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Nice, glad they're starting it early in the month.
Constructed for the April season is going to be a silly rollercoaster.
It's already gotten weird as hell over the past week or so, with BRM you might as well be playing arena
I think it's going to be less silly than Naxxramas, though. With all the Dragon synergy I don't think you'll see anybody start running Dragon decks until the thing is completely released.
Meanwhile, with Naxxramas, we had the Nerubian Egg and Haunted Creeper Zoo that didn't have to face Sludge Belcher. You guys remember that?
RumblingRosco
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Should really put a PTSD warning on there man.
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