On the Korean Stream they showed them as Neutral too though.
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Hearthstone |OT3| Preparing for the Ball of Spiders Meta
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On the Korean Stream they showed them as Neutral too though.
Then either it's a weird mess-up from Blizzard's site or this is a fake stream that never took place.
This. No way they give silver hand recruits to other classes.
I like Reynad's review of the cards.
Most of the new cards don't counter aggression all that well (except Totemic Golem) which means that fast decks are still going to be good and most of these cards are too slow to really impact anything. He thinks the meta would still get faster because that's what Hearthstone really is.
Also he thinks Lock n Load is potentially broken but only in a specific type of Hunter deck.
Reynad for all the crap he gets is actually not all that bad in figuring out strength of cards (ie. one of the few people who said Feign Death would be not that great). He pretty much realizes the type of game Hearthstone is and what's good in it.
Most of the new cards don't counter aggression all that well (except Totemic Golem) which means that fast decks are still going to be good and most of these cards are too slow to really impact anything. He thinks the meta would still get faster because that's what Hearthstone really is.
Also he thinks Lock n Load is potentially broken but only in a specific type of Hunter deck.
Reynad for all the crap he gets is actually not all that bad in figuring out strength of cards (ie. one of the few people who said Feign Death would be not that great). He pretty much realizes the type of game Hearthstone is and what's good in it.
He's great! It just happens to be funny when he loses.
Strifecro has a point too.
He says that while the Inspire mechanic isn't too strong as it is... it makes Freeze Mage weaker because they can't get away with just freezing your board. Having even a couple of these Inspire minions mean you can accrue incremental advantage for having these minions on the board. Same against Grim Patron which doesn't fight too hard for board control.
He says that while the Inspire mechanic isn't too strong as it is... it makes Freeze Mage weaker because they can't get away with just freezing your board. Having even a couple of these Inspire minions mean you can accrue incremental advantage for having these minions on the board. Same against Grim Patron which doesn't fight too hard for board control.
A lot of the class special cards from GvG (esp. legendary) are still completely absent, so they probably don't care that much.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Got it, thanks!
Class legendaries from GvG:
Vuljin
Malganis
Flame Leviathan
Gallywix
Malorne
Gahzrilla
Neptulon
Bolvar Fordragon
Iron Juggernaut
Really the only clear winner there is Malganis. Vuljin might also qualify if anyone played priest. Gallywix is an awesome card that doesn't fit Rogue.
We were all fully expecting majority of a new set would be unplayable trash, the difference here is that that the new theme and mechanic they are building this whole set around is unplayable instead. Like if Deathrattles, spare parts or active abilities ended up being irrelevant, they weren't. I think it's quite different here.
We're yet to see a good inspire, and it's unlikely there will many or any, the idea is inherently too slow.
We're yet to see a good inspire, and it's unlikely there will many or any, the idea is inherently too slow.
Rosenskjold
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So basically this brawl is just play ysera before the other player does?
Please keep in mind that I absolutely want inspire to work, because I think it looks like a fun mechanic.
I'm just distinguishing between "fun" and "competitively viable" here. Iron Juggernaut is also fun, it's just too slow. Now imagine that instead of 1 card being too slow, an entire mechanic/card set is.
I'm just distinguishing between "fun" and "competitively viable" here. Iron Juggernaut is also fun, it's just too slow. Now imagine that instead of 1 card being too slow, an entire mechanic/card set is.
Professor Lich
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If only you could give your opponent Chromaggus and have them draw two bombs!
Sure, but potentially being wrong shouldn't stop us from discussion possibilities.
IMO it will depend on a big equation around your hero power. Some hero powers are better than others clearly. I can totally see a card that gives armor to all your minions with Inspire for Warrior changing things up, even in arena where the class is underrepresented, but a big combo card that results in using hero power a couple more times at a big mana cost might make no difference to the class at all (or to other slow classes like Druid).
We need to see more cards, obvs. Sample size atm is just too small.
Or dr boom.
Phawx
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Gallywix actually works well with millrogue.
Yeah, and I'm trying to put a Gallywix deck together myself. It's just not a great fit so far.
LordCommanderNooooo
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I guess that pirates could be the next 'themed' addition to HS. Given that the trailer also mentions them, and lately they were adding more mechanics about pirates, we could be facing another mechlike meta
It's simillar with Neptulon and midrange shamans.
Come to think it,the few priest decks you see right now usually don't play Vul'jin, because he isn't very useful against aggro and combo decks.
Where are you seeing them?
ViviOggi#2280, I'll be doing my dailies in a few mins
FieryBalrog
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When people say they want a "slow meta", what exactly do they mean? Control Warrior, Handlock and Freeze/Grinder Mage are all top tier decks right now and some of the slowest decks imaginable.
Meanwhile there haven't been pure aggro decks in the top ranks of the tier list in a LONG time, outside of Zoo which has midrange elements. Mech shaman and Face hunter sort of hang around the edge of the top ranks.
Meanwhile there haven't been pure aggro decks in the top ranks of the tier list in a LONG time, outside of Zoo which has midrange elements. Mech shaman and Face hunter sort of hang around the edge of the top ranks.
I don't really play constructed, but I expect they mean that you need to be able to have some relatively weak early turns while maintaining board control. Control Warrior is slow, and it's true that it often hero powers on turn two or three (although it would like not to, if it draws perfectly), but it still needs to get a lot for its mana in the mid-game. The deck works because its cheap cards are very efficient (weapons, spells) and/or are reasonable late-game plays (taskmaster). Control Warrior absolutely does not want to spend turn 3 playing a 3/3 that will die by turn 5 at the latest and which is only very useful if the Warrior doesn't play a Death's Bite or Belcher.
Cool card. Don't know if it will get much use because it comes out so late.
And those stats are really fucking bad... jesus christ.
If this card came out earlier it would be really good (even if it had poor stats for the cost). So many games are pretty much decided by that turn that having better hero power isn't going to win you the game especially if you spend 6 mana to play that card.
You mean deal 3 damage, Fallen Hero adds +1, it doesn't double your hero power damage.
Officerrob
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Too slow. That's a lot of mana for something that dies to a 2 drop
BlackBuzzard
Banned
6/3 buff the hp on it then it will be good.
They're talking about a meta where you don't have to build decks anticipating heavy aggro. Imagine a meta where decks like Face Hunter and and Shockadin do not exist. That's a slow meta. Handlock may suffer against aggro sometimes but it still has tools to deal with it like Sunfury Protector, Argus, and Hellfire.
Oh, meant to put 2x Fallen Hero.
Talking about the inspire and revealed cards already. 2 heals a turn can lead to some pretty sick combos especially with ASP on the board.
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