1. It's a build-your-own-deck brawl that doesn't basically just use popular constructed decks.
2. The games are quick.
3. Certain cards that otherwise wouldn't get played can get played.
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1. It's a build-your-own-deck brawl that doesn't basically just use popular constructed decks.
2. The games are quick.
3. Certain cards that otherwise wouldn't get played can get played.
I e, you can play all the cool legendaries like chromagus and nefarion, and guess what!? Those cards are fun.
Stupid BGH and aggro meta mrgrgrgr
MetroidPrimeRib
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I imagine this brawl kind of sucks for people with not a lot of cards. There are a bunch of two turn kills using Alexstrasza like Alex + Gorehowl or Alex + Pyroblast/Fireball + Hero Power
But also its good games end super fast, easy gold
But also its good games end super fast, easy gold
Mobius and pet octopus
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I might like 5 mana starts, but 10 is too RNG dependent and too much opportunity for cheese wins.
FiveSix4Three
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I didn't want to auto include 2x bgh in every deck this brawl, but when you queue into priests with 2x mind control by t3 every game.....
PandaPandaPanda
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play miracle rogue and win easily or just don't play brawl for that reason alone like i decided to do
Mobius and pet octopus
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This seems actually more RNG dependent than rag vs nef, going first is probably a huge advantage in every single match up.
*shrug* this is why I don't run big dudes to be big dudes on board, I run like alex, rag, and antonidas as big dudes because I can get that value right away and then just lethal my opponent within a couple turns. it's great.
FiveSix4Three
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That's fair to a point, but it's fun to use big legendary creatures that don't see immediate value when they come into play.
Oh well, at least I still have my 3x KT 4x tirion with reincarnate shaman I can look back on.
Madness! People do well with Shaman (I don't ever pick it, though) and Rogue is my favorite Arena class (and it has one of the highest win rates I believe)
Hunter Beast Deck works great in this mode as well.
I might simply be weird, but I do best with Priest Mage and Paladin, in that order. I also do decent with Druid and Hunter to a much lesser extent. The rest I only have terrible experiences with.
The brawl is so bad that my girlfriend may stop playing the game altogether. She's a very new player (2 weeks in) and just wanted to get her pack, but she kept running in to people playing tons of cards she doesn't have even close to access to yet, got her face punched in, it made her incredibly frustrated, and she's quit for now.
I suspect she'll be back eventually, but let this be a lesson for why "playground for very long term players with all the cards" can be very frustrating for new people.
I suspect she'll be back eventually, but let this be a lesson for why "playground for very long term players with all the cards" can be very frustrating for new people.
Disagree unless you get Alex in hand.
Against Priest, going 1st is usually pretty bad because what's going to happen is that they will just Mind Control your opening big creature. From there you basically just lost the game.
Going 2nd you can generally do pretty well as long as you mulligan for one premium removal. And for Rogue going 2nd is still preferable because of the coin with Gadgetan (they really don't care if you play a big Legendary unless its Alex).
The meta is simply that if you are going turn 1, you mulligan for your best drop (usually Alex) and if you are going 2nd you mulligan for you removal + a slightly smaller creature. So Rogues can do something like Sabotage + Emperor or Sabotage + Gadgetan or they can do Sap + Ragnaros.
Really though the main breaking point of this Brawl is Alexstrasza. I have played games where I have come back from turn 1 Alex (usually BGH into Dr Balanced tempo play) or had my turn 1 Alex come back from but it's just way too easy to get turn 2-3 wins with turn 1 Alex. Any class can do it.
Oh and Arcane Golem and Faceless are really cheesy in this format too. Mostly because classes generally have 5 or less removal so they will first Faceless your big Legendary and then remove it which will result in you being ahead.
This format basically just showed how broken Gadgetan would've been at 5 cost. Even in this format it's super broken and can win you game from the first turn. Not just Rogue but Shaman can abuse it too.
Still this Brawl results in fast game and lots of big Legendaries to get used a lot. I got my fastest 7 win quest with this Brawl using Miracle Rogue.
My first game of this brawl the guy ragequit and I didn't even get a pack.
Mobius and pet octopus
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This is a misconception. Why on earth would going against priest first be worse than going second? They drop a huge bomb, then mind control your bomb, and then they have 2 bombs and one of which gets to go face on their second turn.
If I go first, I drop a bomb and they mind control giving them 1 bomb.
If they don't have mind control, you're better off going first. If they do have mind control, you're still better off going first.
Going first is always going to be better because coin means almost nothing compared to starting with initiative.
I bet a chunk of every game is decided before it even begins just by who goes first.
Got my first 12 win arena run with Hunter the other day. Deck was good but not great, I would say. I did have Dr. Boom but barely used him. Mostly I just out tempoed my opponents early and then used hero power to close out the game. Had a couple close ones where my opponent almost stabilized but I was able to draw into lethal.
Most of the games were romps though. Hunter seems fairly easy to get 12 wins with if you can draft a strong early game.
Most of the games were romps though. Hunter seems fairly easy to get 12 wins with if you can draft a strong early game.
Mobius and pet octopus
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At least the brawl is good for knocking out several win quests.
My 5 win priest quests were never done this fast. I have like 50 wins on this brawl. Rogues are a problem though, too slow for them.
We might never get to play cards like Rend Blackhand and Nefarian this much, Rend is so cool. If only he had same stats as Blackknight, why not? 6 4/5 that destroys a leg if you have a dragon, I would play that some times.
We might never get to play cards like Rend Blackhand and Nefarian this much, Rend is so cool. If only he had same stats as Blackknight, why not? 6 4/5 that destroys a leg if you have a dragon, I would play that some times.
TheChewyWaffles
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lol @ tempo storm saying midrange Druid is again tier one. That deck is so slow and constantly behind in tempo.
Yeah give us rogues some love 
I hope its not like WoW where Rogue is one of the least played classes and they were left in the dark for some time. Nowadays we are heavily dependent on oil and blade furry to do stuff and whenever I go to websties like icy-veins and Rogues dont have a lot of constructed decks to go far way in ranked (unlike something like a mage). The class is still my favorite, since I love the combo idea (one of the things that made me roll a rogue in WoW back in 2006, loved it). I have no idea how the insire thing will work with us... when they said on livestream that inspire was to help with hero powers I was like "uh-oh..."
Save rogues
I hope its not like WoW where Rogue is one of the least played classes and they were left in the dark for some time. Nowadays we are heavily dependent on oil and blade furry to do stuff and whenever I go to websties like icy-veins and Rogues dont have a lot of constructed decks to go far way in ranked (unlike something like a mage). The class is still my favorite, since I love the combo idea (one of the things that made me roll a rogue in WoW back in 2006, loved it). I have no idea how the insire thing will work with us... when they said on livestream that inspire was to help with hero powers I was like "uh-oh..."Save rogues
I mulligan for card draw.
My ideal hand in this mode would be Sprint, Coldlight Oracle and Sap. + Gadgetzan Auctioneer if I'm going second.
Or Chromaggus, Sprint and Conceal.
God I'm going to miss this brawl so much. It's simply the best.
My ideal hand in this mode would be Sprint, Coldlight Oracle and Sap. + Gadgetzan Auctioneer if I'm going second.
Or Chromaggus, Sprint and Conceal.
God I'm going to miss this brawl so much. It's simply the best.
It's tier 1 because Handlock and Control Warrior are tier 1 in that list.
Shocked to see Midrange Hunter not in tier 1 (just on the fringe of tier 1 and tier 2). Does well against a lot of decks and has been used so much in tournaments.
Druid has had lackluster in performance in that Archon tournament. Many times teams have come down to Druids vs Druid or Druid as one of the last remaining classes.
For me if I am playing a deck that uses Gadgetan then I always want either Gadgetan or Alex in starting hand. After that it depends on going 1st or 2nd. I also like to keep a Conceal with those 2 creatures. Going 2nd against another Rogue means that Sabotage is a must keep.
Alex as your first minion is just too strong. With Rogue if you get Alex plus Stealth then 90% chance the game is going to be over by turn 2.
I have also had a lot of success with Holy Wrath Paladin. Won a game with turn 2 Alex into Holy Wrath face LOL!
March of the Crabs
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I just started playing this game yesterday and it is already consuming me. Can't believe I waited this long.
Welcome! I'm still enjoying it and I've been playing constantly since beta. Don't sweat your collection for now. It'll come in time
Welcome to the grind! I started last month thanks to my gf and I'm having tons of fun with it so far. It's too soon to worry about your collection, just play and get a feel for the game. Also, check out the links in the OP, specially reddit's guide and the Trump Teachings video series.
Battlecry: Draw a card for each locked mana crystal.
BananasWithGuns
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What do you think would be a good mana cost for this?
I'd say anything over 2 would make it pretty mediocre. Might be able to get away with it costing 3.
March of the Crabs
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Haha my girlfriend was actually the one who got me to try too! Thanks for the tips on the links! I'll check them out over the next couple of days
Brofist
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I think it's actually fun, and it shows that plopping the biggest minion down on 10 mana is far from the best way to approach it.
To be clear, I agree that Shaman is in a rough spot right now. But I don't think this is an inherent problem with overload. There was a time when Shaman was a very good class and easily playable, despite the fact that many of their core cards had overload on them. The problem isn't overload. The problem is card quality post-GvG. Mech Shaman was really not that substantial a buff to the class relative to the buff that other classes got. Crackle was a slight improvement over lightning bolt but people hate that card's design. Vitality Totem wasn't that exciting. Ancestor's Call was gimmicky as shit and was only played in "for funsies" OTK Malygos decks. Dunemaul Shaman just dies too easily and is very difficult to setup. Siltfin Spiritwalker is just a stupid card because you don't kill off all your murlocs in a murloc deck, that's the complete opposite of what you do in a murloc deck. Neptulon was "ok" but not fantastic. The only card in GvG that was really considered independently "really good" for Shaman was Whirling Zap-o-matic.
Power Mace is pretty good too but yeah Shaman definitely got the shaft in cards for GvG.
They tried to push the Murloc archetype before but it seems like now they are trying to push the Totem archetype on Shaman. Don't know if that will pan out or not for Shaman. It's really hard to beat Mech as far as Tribe goes because there are just so many options for them minion wise.
They tried to push the Murloc archetype before but it seems like now they are trying to push the Totem archetype on Shaman. Don't know if that will pan out or not for Shaman. It's really hard to beat Mech as far as Tribe goes because there are just so many options for them minion wise.
toddhunter
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You can't look at it in isolation like that, unless you are proposing to revert every other class back to day one decks.
The balance of everything has changed over time. The value of a card draw is different, so is the value of a mana crystal. As the easiest example, you didn't have the emperor and you certainly didn't have the doctor seven.
The problems of overload didn't kill the class on day 1, but they kill it Hearthstone 2015. Sure you could release stupidly strong cards with overload, but that isn't making overload work, that is just making it irrelevant again.
They should change it, make it optional or just remove it completely... while fixing Arena awards and the day one quest system.
When she gets discouraged that quickly, maybe the game's not for her in the first place.
New players can win this brawl, you just don't have to play the big drops game others are doing. I could see a warrior deck with all cheap taunts and weapons like arcanite reaper wins easily enough to get the pack. Actually I've seen a couple of face hunter decks and they seem to be able to win some games, You can play wolfrider and two arcane golems in a single turn.
A rogue deck with common card can be really nasty too. Priests decks work too but new players probably don't even have thoughtsteal.
If you're bringing basic mage deck to the brawl, yeah you will get destroyed.
A rogue deck with common card can be really nasty too. Priests decks work too but new players probably don't even have thoughtsteal.
If you're bringing basic mage deck to the brawl, yeah you will get destroyed.
You can crush with a full on aggro Murloc deck. A perfect opener of the Murloc deck can wreck anything in this format. You basically just vomit your entire hand by turn 2 and just go face. I have seen this happen with multiple classes already.
Rogue can do pretty insane damage if you have Gadgetans.
Priest even with a basic deck can do really good. Kripp won with Priest using his F2P account. Priest basically steals all the good stuff from the other guy's deck using Thoughsteals, Mind Control, Mind Vision plus controls their board with Shadow Death. It's very possible that you can Mind Vision an Alex, play it on the same turn and next turn you can Divine Spirit Inner Fire for lethal.
It's difficult but not impossible.
Rogue can do pretty insane damage if you have Gadgetans.
Priest even with a basic deck can do really good. Kripp won with Priest using his F2P account. Priest basically steals all the good stuff from the other guy's deck using Thoughsteals, Mind Control, Mind Vision plus controls their board with Shadow Death. It's very possible that you can Mind Vision an Alex, play it on the same turn and next turn you can Divine Spirit Inner Fire for lethal.
It's difficult but not impossible.
How the hell does this have 6.5k viewers? Never even heard of her before. I know twitch is thirsty, but damn.
http://www.twitch.tv/pamcakes
http://www.twitch.tv/pamcakes
toddhunter
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You think Shaman is OP but everybody is just being polite?
So what exactly are you asking here?
No other female hearthstone streamer pulls numbers like this.
It's the novelty factor. Always the same people around you get bored after a while.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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That's exactly what it means. If they were powerful, more people would play the class. The class is garbage tier at the moment.
No? I think other classes are easier with more available cards that have better crossover between decks. Shaman is still showing up in competitive play. Thinking that the most played classes are the strongest ones overlooks a number of factors.
What recent competitive play are you talking about?
If you are talking about the Archon team league... then you should know that each team is forced to pick 6 classes. Every one picks Hunter, Warlock, Mage, Rogue and Warrior. The last slot is the one that shifts around because the remaining classes are kinda bad right now. Normally Druid is the 6th, sometimes Shaman is the 6th.
So at the very best, some of these teams see Shaman as MAYBE the 6th best out of all the classes and most think Druids are better.
Still showing up in competitive play doesn't really much because of there being so many different formats. Priest still shows up, Paladin still shows up as well as does Druid. Thing is that some class has to be low tier and Shaman is most definitely bottom 2 at the moment.
Just look at this deck ranking list:
http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/c...power-rankings-july-week-2-falling-into-place
Shaman has the only two decks in the bottom 5 out of the top 20 decks.
BananasWithGuns
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Seems like another card got revealed. Posted on a twitter by a Korean pro player so I'm assuming it's legitimate.
Translates to "Inspire: Restore 2 health to your hero."
Translates to "Inspire: Restore 2 health to your hero."
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