LMAO King's Defender actually ended up being worse than initially reveal.
Like what in the fuck... this card is SSSSSOOOO bad. Like this card actually makes Warrior worse because it dilutes their Rare pool with this garbage.
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Like what in the fuck... this card is SSSSSOOOO bad. Like this card actually makes Warrior worse because it dilutes their Rare pool with this garbage.
ReadingRambo
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Bad cards have to exist.
Maybe it'll be part of Mech Warrior. Drop Annoy-O on 2 then this to follow-up and keep board clear while you drop mechs.
Officerrob
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WOW, they actually made Kings Defender worse. That card is unplayable
MetroidPrimeRib
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I see no room to fit King's Defender in with most Warrior decks running 2 Fiery War Axe and 2 Death's Bite.
Holy Champion should see some play, will be pretty good in arena I bet.
Holy Champion should see some play, will be pretty good in arena I bet.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Holy Champion will be nice in some constructed decks and will be great in arena.
Said it before, but King's Defender is a garbage warrior weapon and won't see any play in constructed.
There's a certain appeal to running five weapons in a deck, but it'd be much stronger with +1 attack on it rather than +1 durability.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I think the most weapons I saw ran was that Charge/Face Warrior deck that used Arcanite Reapers, Upgrade, Deaths Bites a Gorehowl and 1 Fiery War Axe.
But yes if it was +1/+1 it would be better, but that's a 3 mana Assassin's Blade, it would probably be 4 then.
Oops, Assassin's Blade is 3/4. Still would probably cost 4.
Cards like King's Defender are the worst kind of cards you can introduce in the expansion.
It doesn't do anything special and in more than 90% cases it's a strictly worse card than a card that has been a class arsenal since the game's inception.
It's basically like introducing a 5 mana Swipe but having some extra text like "deal 1 extra damage to a random minion if you have taunt".
It doesn't do anything special and in more than 90% cases it's a strictly worse card than a card that has been a class arsenal since the game's inception.
It's basically like introducing a 5 mana Swipe but having some extra text like "deal 1 extra damage to a random minion if you have taunt".
MetroidPrimeRib
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Warrior Deck using Grim Patrons is the strongest.
Mage uses Flamewaker in Tempo.
Emperor Thaurissan common in lots of decks.
Some hunters use Quick Shot.
That's about it.
It's one thing to pick King's Defender alongside Fiery War Axe, and another to choose it instead of FWA. FWA is essential as a tool for removal of dangerous 1 or 2 drops. The extra mana cost on KD for a card that is only situationally better is pretty brutal, and it doesn't even combo with Dread Corsair. Even when you do reap the battlecry off King's Defender the durability is almost a liability, because it slows you down from playing Death's Bite.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Dragons were a flop. Grim Patron Warrior runs the ladder right now. Midrange Paladins are back to being underwhelming because of the rise of Patron Warrior, but Aggro Paladin keeps Paladin pretty relevant. Boom is Boom. Hunters are still Hunters. Imp Gang Boss and Flamewaker were awesome cards. Play Nefarian for maximum fun.
Did I miss anything?
Edit: Oh yeah, forgot Thaurissan gets used a lot and is one of the reasons Patron Warrior is so strong.
Yeah. I don't see it being used in any current decks. It doesn't provide an answer to any current flaws. I'm just trying to be open to it having a spot in a value/grinder type warrior. (I just like new cards and want to think that I could find a use for them. Part of the fun in cards games for me) It doesn't look that great as it stands, I'll agree. though.
Maybe there'll be a pirate warrior deck that runs FWA and KD as the only weapons. Who knows? I just want to try new things!
It's not so much that lightwarden is bad as it is the fact that the effect doesn't really belong on a 1 mana minion. It's an extremely powerful 1 drop.... when it's not played on Turn 1. That's its weakness.
Holy Champion you might not be totally ashamed to play it on curve, and like lightwarden can setup some surprise lethals with wild pyro and circle of healing combos.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That would require Warrior to see play in Arena past 4 wins
BananasWithGuns
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So is Holy Champion more likely to be a one or two of for Priest?
ReadingRambo
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Going to ladder to rank 15 with taunt warrior after TGT hits.
Too early to say but I can say for sure it's a very good Arena card.
Priest now has their own smooth curve with a good 2 drop, a good 3 drop and now a good 4 drop for Arena and I guess Constructed too.
Definitely among the more solid cards to be introduced in the set even if it's just the same effect on a different mana cost card (but that's good because quite a lot of good effects are stuck on terrible mana cost cards).
crazygambit
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Out of curiosity what's the current Arena tier for heroes?
I see some google results, but I don't know how up to date they are.
Mage = Paladin > Warlock = Rogue > Priest > Shaman = Druid > Warrior
Mage is best, Paladin is a close second.
After that it varies a bit depending on who you talk to, I feel they are all fairly strong with Druid lacking a bit these days due to faster meta.
Warrior is easily the worst.
MetroidPrimeRib
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This is accurate
Eteric Rice
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Is there a reason why I can't download HS on the Amazon app store right now? I won a code for half off and now I don't even see that shit on Amazon.
BananasWithGuns
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I think it got pulled because of an issue with an update or something like that.
https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/625856942225903616
You won the Team Archon 50% discount code am I right? Me too.
I redeemed it and bought the packs, but unfortunately Amazon charged me the full amount. There's probably something wrong with the app right now, maybe that's why they removed it temporarily.
Eteric Rice
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MetroidPrimeRib
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That is the best shirt
Hard to get the feeling out of the back of your mind that it is all just a bunch of RNG.
I don't really believe that, but damn if RNG isn't a pain in the ass.
inanutshell
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Thing about TCG's you can't just print better and better cards in every expansion. Power creep kills the game. Kings Defender is a fine arena card and it's not absolutely worse than War-axe since they are different kind of cards. Will constructed decks need a card like that? Most likely not, but that's just the nature of this game, warrior already has weapons that cover early-mid-late game.
TCG's need huge card variety more than anything. Weird combinations and shifts in meta might make former unplayables relevant again.
TCG's need huge card variety more than anything. Weird combinations and shifts in meta might make former unplayables relevant again.
Ideally it's side grades and new mechanics. It's really cool that we've got a new keyword coming up in this set. But you're right, everything can't be amazing, and the existence of arena means a lot of cards will see play there even if they can't pull their weight in constructed.
Totally this, it is/should be just about adding more options and new metas to the game to allow a wider variety of options. The thing Blizzard have over physical TCGs is the ability to retroactively change cards without having to re-release them, another good reason to not have to release cards that are too powerful as an answer to previously OP cards.
Still I'm concerned this new mechanic is just too slow still with the mana costs it brings to make use of the inspire. I don't see this being the solution to the Face Hunters, Patrons, etc. But there are still many, many cards to see.
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