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Hearthstone |OT3| Preparing for the Ball of Spiders Meta
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Professor Lich
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For a new page;
I'll be there to watch it since I have Mondays off! Hope there are a few others to talk about cards too.
I'll be there to watch it since I have Mondays off! Hope there are a few others to talk about cards too.
It's the Easter bunn--- fox.
Either it happens or it doesn't.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The production of viagame has been really shitty. It is like they basically don't want people to watch the matches with the between match trolling going on.
They've had a ton of outages too. If this were a serious tournament with big sponsors and larger amounts of money involved it'd be a disaster.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'm really talking about the shitty music. Not just today but yesterday as well. I didn't watch at all on day 1 so probably then as well.
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thepotatoman
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I think it's an interesting turn worth analyzing:
I think the sap was correct, and he would have lost if he didn't play it. Blecher was going to kill a SI for free basically, and in the very likely chance he played a shade or swipe, that sap combo they were hoping for wouldn't work. It's also not exactly great to sap a keeper of the groove, which is also a very likely play there. You'd basically be left with a two damage eviscerate or sacrificing another 3 health minion to finish it off, which is far from ideal since eviscerates are far more valuable than saps are.
The caster's plan to sap the next played minion only works if it's a Druid of the Claw or second Sludge, but how much can you bet on that happening? And what "big minions" are you really afraid of being punished by using up your saps, other than a Druid of the Claw which happens to be basically equally as big as a Sludge Belcher?
Turn 3-6 are the turns where it's key to develop the board as much as possible for the game winning burst 7-9, when you don't even care about minions unless they're taunts. I never see saps get played pass turn 7 except to remove a taunt to achieve maximum burst, which is why it sounds so strange for them to really care about saving sap for a bigger minion.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It wasn't all about saving sap, it was about using sap to build a stronger board or accomplish something else.
And yeah, I would say more often than not ramp druid has a 4 or 5 drop, they run a lot of them. If the belcher killed the si7 agent, it would have been finished off my the second si7 agent's combo. He would have not only had a second sap, he would have had eviscerate as well and a shredder on board a turn earlier.
He would not have lost if he chose a different line of play. He would likely have been far ahead. He even handed his opponent a turn 4 play which he didn't have. It was a misplay that ended up not mattering imo, due to the opponent's inability to stall the game at all which was really unusual for a druid.
And yeah, I would say more often than not ramp druid has a 4 or 5 drop, they run a lot of them. If the belcher killed the si7 agent, it would have been finished off my the second si7 agent's combo. He would have not only had a second sap, he would have had eviscerate as well and a shredder on board a turn earlier.
He would not have lost if he chose a different line of play. He would likely have been far ahead. He even handed his opponent a turn 4 play which he didn't have. It was a misplay that ended up not mattering imo, due to the opponent's inability to stall the game at all which was really unusual for a druid.
Man the patience on the Cabal Ysera steal was godly. I don't know if he knew the other guy had a Ysera in the deck but that was still hella well played.
He did get really lucky with those Thoughtsteals though.
Mobius and pet octopus
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If priest was heavily played, with shrinkmeiser, I would agree. But you can't build your deck to beat everyone, especially fringe decks like priest/shrinkmeister combo decks.
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Except that Priest is one of the few matchups where you'll ever get Ysera out consistently, and the risk just isn't worth it. BRM will probably change that.
Except that Priest is one of the few matchups where you'll ever get Ysera out consistently, and the risk just isn't worth it. BRM will probably change that.
TheChewyWaffles
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This fucking hunter deck is a plague.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Except that Priest is one of the few matchups where you'll ever get Ysera out consistently, and the risk just isn't worth it. BRM will probably change that.
Eh, I disagree with that. I still need ysera though so maybe I'm wrong. But I get a lot of use out of 8 drops, even on turn 9+.
I faced 7% priest this month. I think this month I have seen the most priests and still just a tiny amount. Last month was 4% and over all my stats recorded in GVG about 4%. At least 100 matches per month. These aren't all encompassing stats, but just my ranked play over the past 3 months.
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thepotatoman
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But to combo you need a card to play first, and it's extremely possible for there not to be a good card to play for that. We can see in this game that it would not have worked out, with sapping keeper of the groove and letting it battlecry twice being the best scenario for that plan.
Sap gives you that board development 100% of the time with extra face damage to boot. The other plan gives you a little better board development by swapping a si for a shredder, but only if the opponent does a certain thing. Why take that risk?
TheChewyWaffles
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Druid combo/ramp deck: What do you think about a Deathlord in the place of a Shade of Naxx in the current meta? I find the shade too slow half the time. Can't keep him on the board stealthed to develop long enough when there's so much aggro. Just looking for something to slow face hunters down some. On turn 3 or 4 I'm already down to 17 HP and then he just has to peck away with his hero power.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think you're just using the knowledge of both hands to determine the best move. Sapping actually was riskier that just happened to play at well because the druid, despite running many of them, didn't have a strong follow up to having exhausted both saps.
Check out my wins on Constructed and Arena.
haha, but why don't u play Shaman??
Yeah the ladder is almost all face hunter today. Been queuing into them with Warrior for dailies, but now that I'm doing Warlock dailies it's a real pain in the ass.
Seems like a bad idea, Druid has trouble reclaiming lost boards so it's a borderline unplayable card against midrange/control. Most Face Hunters run double Owl too. I'd rather tech in Kezan and/or Taz'Dingo or just go full Taunt Druid.
As someone who seems like the only Face Hunter player/lover in this thread, I can tell you Priests and some control Warriors do pretty well against me
Have you tried those two?
Savjz warrior in this tournament was pretty teched towards beating aggro:
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthstone/decks/1256-savjz-control-warrior-housecup-2
It should be good to really good vs. face hunter, mech mage, rogue, freeze mage, zoo.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Wow, first time fighting a force card draw fatigue druid.
What an utterly anti fun deck.
What an utterly anti fun deck.
It's pretty fun to play from a problem solving-perspective, but it's not really suited to the ladder system.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Damn, dude's mad bomber hit 5/5 times on my board clearing 2 minions. This was arena. Somehow I still won though lol. Drawing all 3 of my fire elementals didn't hurt even though the 3rd was unnecessary
hypersheep
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To Face Hunter winning 3 out of 4 games for the win, all I can say is the Conquest format exists for a reason.
Wouldn't be surprised to see face hunter nerfed somehow. Making Eaglehorn Bow cost 4 mana maybe? But then you are nerfing midrange hunter as well.
It definitely seems like the kind of deck Blizzard takes the nerf bat to though as it is decidedly uninteractive. Just face, face, face and no fighting for board.
It definitely seems like the kind of deck Blizzard takes the nerf bat to though as it is decidedly uninteractive. Just face, face, face and no fighting for board.
Yeah Hoej got almost all his win with Face decks, I dont have all the actual numbers but he won a lot with Mech Mage and Face hunter...heck, he even played Mech Shaman.
Conquest is for the best.
Make all your decks similar, opponent brings one deck that can't handle that one specific deck style, proceed to lose against your opponent's other decks, win against the last one.
AstroZombie
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Face hunter still the best cancer deck one year later. Whenever I'm tilting I play some face hunter to cleanse my palate.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think my most hated card mechanic is the arcane missile's card text. Deal 1 damage to random enemy characters X amount of times... fucking despise that.
It isn't that I despise arcane missiles specifically, but also knife juggler etc..
It isn't that I despise arcane missiles specifically, but also knife juggler etc..
Can't really do that when you have to bring 9 different classes.
Or could you... Weapon warrior, Cancer Paladin, Backspace Rogue, Zoo, Face Hunter, Mech Mage, Token Druid (?), Mech Shaman, Shadowbomber Priest (Kappa).
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