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Hearthstone |OT3| Preparing for the Ball of Spiders Meta
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This play brought to you by Emperor Thaurissan.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The nat pagle nerf is too big. They need to make it like echoing ooze maybe. Battlecry: at the end of THIS turn do XYZ. That way it would only go off once. I think the problem remains at its core it just ends up reducing interactivity of some decks beyond what should be allowed. I think of miracle rogue levels of un-interactivity getting off 20+ damage combos from hand with a few cards.
Still, I am not utterly convinced this card breaks the game, but I definitely lean on the side of it being bad for it.
Still, I am not utterly convinced this card breaks the game, but I definitely lean on the side of it being bad for it.
Sure, the card is most likely OP as hell, but damn if it doesn't enable impressive plays.
Me when I saw that play...
You know what... keep Emperor as it is. This game is crazy random as it is... might as well add in another level of craziness to the game.
Everyone thought of that combo the day that card was showcased.
And that card is like really good, it's in my top 5 best cards to look out for BRM. That and Imp Gang Boss.
I'm eager to see how it will shake things up, for sure.
TetraxShards
Member
You can play Druid without Cenarius. You can't play Warrior without Grom, and Alex is pretty necessary as well. Baron is good but the least important Legendary in the CW deck IMO. I played without him for awhile and did fine.
I don't think I would run Harrison and TBK at the same time. Too many tech cards IMO.
i wouldnt run the 2 together either no, basically i would be running a standard kolento build atm since im lacking the alex.
ysera
rag
harrison
grom
sylv
boom
unsure how or if i would even want to fit thaurissan in atm
my goal is to basically just hit legend this season, i have the mechanical skill through a long history of tcg play, just trying to find the most well rounded deck to do it with, so my choices came down to these 2
i have pretty much every other deck there is or the possibility to make anything, but have no interest in playing face hunter
Any Linsk for the Video ?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I just had an unstoppable kill caused by thaurisian. I mean, it only gave me like 6-7 mana over the course of 2 turns - and it only survived 1 turn.
After thaurisian this is what happened in shaman vs warlock (I was playing shaman). Turn 6 thaurisian and he had a belcher and a 2/1 on board. He kills the thaurisian immediately of course.
My fire elemental next turn was 5 mana, allowing me to totem and try to get a spellpower totem. 1 mana extra mana so far.
Then I played a doomhammer + hex, both discounted. 3 mana extra thus far.
Finally, on turn 9 with 2 mana locked, I played alakir for 7 mana and 2 earthshocks. 3 extra mana again, bringing the total value of thaurisian up to 6 extra mana.
And I still had feral spirits in hand at 2 mana.
7 extra mana to play with basically. I had turns where I could have played the feral spirits but felt it unnecessarily moving too far into shadowflame.. not that that would have saved him from anything I was doing anyway.
I think he was a handlock, but maybe demonlock, but either way....
Also, I just want to note, this card is causing a lot of experimentation, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is going to end up making previously shitty/mediocre cards suddenly amazing. Because, would you rather have a previously mediocre card cost 1 less some of the time to make it good or would you rather have previously great cards cost 1 less some of the time and still be great the rest of the time?
Also... 0 mana earthsocks... crazy. 0 mana rockbiters... omfg.
Tempo shaman... is gonna be nuts imho. It hasn't even gotten its class cards.
After thaurisian this is what happened in shaman vs warlock (I was playing shaman). Turn 6 thaurisian and he had a belcher and a 2/1 on board. He kills the thaurisian immediately of course.
My fire elemental next turn was 5 mana, allowing me to totem and try to get a spellpower totem. 1 mana extra mana so far.
Then I played a doomhammer + hex, both discounted. 3 mana extra thus far.
Finally, on turn 9 with 2 mana locked, I played alakir for 7 mana and 2 earthshocks. 3 extra mana again, bringing the total value of thaurisian up to 6 extra mana.
And I still had feral spirits in hand at 2 mana.
7 extra mana to play with basically. I had turns where I could have played the feral spirits but felt it unnecessarily moving too far into shadowflame.. not that that would have saved him from anything I was doing anyway.
I think he was a handlock, but maybe demonlock, but either way....
Also, I just want to note, this card is causing a lot of experimentation, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is going to end up making previously shitty/mediocre cards suddenly amazing. Because, would you rather have a previously mediocre card cost 1 less some of the time to make it good or would you rather have previously great cards cost 1 less some of the time and still be great the rest of the time?
Also... 0 mana earthsocks... crazy. 0 mana rockbiters... omfg.
Tempo shaman... is gonna be nuts imho. It hasn't even gotten its class cards.
Heyo_Rockbreaker
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So are fast control decks typically bad for aggro decks?
Had the most epic match of my life, I was facing this priest who at turn 6 put emperor, I had no way to destroy. Next turn he makes a copy of it and has 2 of them
after destroying them, he plays resurrect and gets emperor, I destroy it, 4 turns later he plays resurrect and gets another fucking emperor.
After surviving for a while he plays velen and lefts me 1 life, saying me well played and all that shit. I thought that the match was lost.
But then I draw Jaraxxus and make the best comeback of my life
after destroying them, he plays resurrect and gets emperor, I destroy it, 4 turns later he plays resurrect and gets another fucking emperor.
After surviving for a while he plays velen and lefts me 1 life, saying me well played and all that shit. I thought that the match was lost.
But then I draw Jaraxxus and make the best comeback of my life
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Had the most epic match of my life, I was facing this priest who at turn 6 put emperor, I had no way to destroy. Next turn he makes a copy of it and has 2 of them
after destroying them, he plays resurrect and gets emperor, I destroy it, 4 turns later he plays resurrect and gets another fucking emperor.
After surviving for a while he plays velen and lefts me 1 life, saying me well played and all that shit. I thought that the match was lost.
But then I draw Jaraxxus and make the best comeback of my life
LOL nice...
I feel the same way after doing a bunch of experimenting yesterday. The 1 mana discount doesn't justify putting mediocre cards in your deck because of the meta, so I will just stick to the good stuff.
Going to try to climb back up the ladder with Shaman and Priest after getting wrecked by Hunters yesterday.
Fixed1979
Member
Just quoting myself for the new page.
Pretty much. Why would you want a shitty card at a 1 mana discount when you can have good cards at a 1 mana discount?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/217915-brm-viable-and-tested-otk-burst-priest
I want to try it so much
TheChewyWaffles
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I just got Emp out on like turn 3 or so, got a turn 7 Force of Nature + Savage Roar combo because of Emp. I actually said "sorry" before I played it because I took the warlock from like 23 to 0 on turn 7.
Flizzzipper
Member
Every single rogue I've played today is running the same coldlight oracle/gang up deck.
Flizzzipper
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That deck is the only reason I've won today. I'm 4-0 versus that deck and 5-8 versus everything else today as mid hunter.
BigJonsson
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What is a mill deck?
You destroy the other person's deck by having them over draw (past 10) and speed up the process of them dying from fatigue damage.
It's more accurate to call it Fatigue deck for Hearthstone terminology as Mill is from Magic.
toddhunter
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You win by making your opponent continually draw cards until they max out (and cards get burned) and eventually fatigue.
The current popular deck is coldlight oracle (draw 2 cards) and gang up and shadow step. With this you can burn through your opponents deck (while getting 6 cards extra), hope they lose something valuable and use the cards you get yourself to respond.
It is tough to play right and loses to face hunter, which you will see every now and then (Because you keep giving the hunter cards, which isn't helpful).
In Hearthstone terminology there's a difference between Mill and Fatigue, I think. Mill decks actually aim to fill your opponent's hand and hope to burn key cards once the hand is full. They might use cards like Mukla, Clockwork Giant, and Vanish to use the size of the opponent's hands against them. These are gimmicky decks that almost never win. At best they'll screw over Handlock and Control Warrior.
Fatigue decks don't aim to burn cards necessarily. They just use card draw mechanics against your opponent in order to force your opponent to hit fatigue damage before you do. They aim to use efficient removals to destroy potential threats. Board clears, things like that. Stall the game and then they finish you off with fatigue damage.
They often get confused because both rely on making your opponent draw cards, and both strategies are essentially a component of what mill did in Magic. But Hearthstone isn't Magic, and these are actually two different types of strategies in Hearthstone.
BigJonsson
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Oh ok, had a feeling mill and fatigue were the similar but wasn't sure
lmao
Legend Druid innervated out a Piloted Shredder.
I coined out an Injured Battlemaster.
He trades, a 2/2 pops out.
I have two Resurrects and a Smite. I rez the BM at full health and smite the 2/2. Next turn I rez again, pulling the same BM at full health. I PW:S each of them and have two 4/9's out on turn 4.
He concedes. lol
Legend Druid innervated out a Piloted Shredder.
I coined out an Injured Battlemaster.
He trades, a 2/2 pops out.
I have two Resurrects and a Smite. I rez the BM at full health and smite the 2/2. Next turn I rez again, pulling the same BM at full health. I PW:S each of them and have two 4/9's out on turn 4.
He concedes. lol
Most Mill Decks these days have efficient removals and AOE board clears as well (at least the good ones, those that don't are garbage because otherwise they won't be able to survive the early aggression).
Especially the Druid Mill deck which is basically the same thing as the Druid Fatigue deck when you look it up online. Massive AOE clears, lots of removals and a bunch of heals.
The new Rogue deck is also that but it's the MOST aggressive form of Milling in the game currently. Like you can get the game to fatigue by turn 10, that's how aggressive it is. However, you can still just stall with taunts and heals while clearing the opponent's board with removals because of Gang Up.
Against a Face Hunter for example you don't aggressively Mill, rather you Gang Up on Healbots/Taunts and just stall against the Hunter until he runs out of steam. There is nothing he is going to do against 4-5 Healbots.
Gang Up has pushed Mill Rogue from gimmicky deck to a legitimately strong deck.
Damage comes from nowhere. "I already did 20 damage to this guy? How did I do that?" You just play cards and hero power and suddenly you win. The deck is stupid.
veloxStrix
Banned
Resurrect should not trigger Wild Pyro. Literally 100% bullshit.
People who play Face Hunter disturb me. Looking at it from a psychological angle, why are you playing it? To win? But what is the point of winning if you did nothing to earn that win? Because you didn't make the deck, and you didn't use any particular set of skills or intelligence to win. So what is the point? Winning for the sake of winning? Sure you can hit legend with it, but what does that get you? You can show off to all your friends that you hit Legend, I guess.
I don't really mind, since I've just ran a quicker variation on Control Warrior today. I'm loving that win rate.
People who play Face Hunter disturb me. Looking at it from a psychological angle, why are you playing it? To win? But what is the point of winning if you did nothing to earn that win? Because you didn't make the deck, and you didn't use any particular set of skills or intelligence to win. So what is the point? Winning for the sake of winning? Sure you can hit legend with it, but what does that get you? You can show off to all your friends that you hit Legend, I guess.
I don't really mind, since I've just ran a quicker variation on Control Warrior today. I'm loving that win rate.
BigJonsson
Member
I want to try face hunter 
Super Nothing
Member
I tried out the new Mill Rogue, and it's still just as bad as it used to be. Gang up on taunts is entirely too slow against Face Hunter. You basically have until turn 6 vs Face Hunter. How many of those 3 extra taunts/heals are you going to see by turn 6? Against control decks, you're still entirely dependent on pulling Coldlight Oracle. If you don't, you lose. I had the Rogue/Warrior Dominance quest today and completed it with Mill Rogue. 3 out of 5 wins were against other Mill Rogues, the other 2 were against Face Hunter and Grim Patron Warrior. The Face Hunter win was a bit of a fluke, and on the way to completing the quest I managed to lose to Control Warrior, Demonlock, Control Priest, Ramp Druid, and a slew of Face Hunters. All of the control losses were due to Coldlight just not showing up.
Super Nothing
Member
Fair enough. It's better than it used to be, but still way too dependent on a single card. If you don't pull that one card, you lose. And you can't run a lot of card draw to try to find it, because then you'll wind up fatiguing yourself instead of the other player.
People play it because it is a super cheap deck that wins quickly. If you are grinding for ranks or gold, it is the most efficient deck to do that with.
Also, it isn't completely mindless. It doesn't require navigating tricky board states but you do have to think a few turns ahead when trying to set up lethal. It takes some level of skill to climb really high with the deck.
veloxStrix
Banned
I've ran the deck, just to figure out how it played and such. I'm not going to say it's mindless, but I don't think there is a single deck in Hearthstone where it doesn't take some level of skill to climb ranks. There are Face Hunter players and good Face Hunter players, I guess. I just can't wrap my mind around winning just for the sake of winning.
On the other hand, I do understand that the deck is cheap to make. But there are other decks that are just as cheap. Maybe not as viable or tier 1, but still playable and with the potential to improve your level of play. Although, the argument could be made that simply playing with any deck would help with that.
Edit: I guess the only thing to blame would be the ladder system in HS. In a world where 50% of players play a deck that always wins against Face Hunter but the games last 15-20 minutes and everyone else plays Face Hunter, I think the Face Hunters still rank up at the faster.
Kappa?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Gamebreaking bug alert: Emperor Thaurissian is missing the lightning bolt that signifies he has an active text ability.
How the fuck does this pass Bliz QA!?
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Kappa
How the fuck does this pass Bliz QA!?
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yes of course Kappa
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