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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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If there are not Mac mini and Mac Pro upgrades I am going to pissed. I need to buy 40 mac pros for work and I am not going to waste money buying 3 year old machines which have not had a price reduction.

No kidding, it still amazes me that they haven't at least bumped their speed and/or offered lower end ones for a prosumer audience. The design is so cool I was fully expecting them to run with it for years.

At the very least, give us the choice between AMD and Nvidia GPUs
 

The Real Abed

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Exactly. The "no headphone jack" rumor was from a survey Apple sent out early September asking if people use it. That's it. Now some random no-name website mentions it and people are freaking out over nothing...
I wouldn't put it past them to remove it eventually. But it won't happen now. They're still testing the waters. They want to push for people to get used to not having it by removing it from their most important device so third parties come along and fill in the demand and people get used to it. Only then will they begin to remove it from the computers.

I mean I could be wrong. But going by the leaked photos we've seen, I'm still pretty confident it isn't happening yet. Only 3 days left until we know everything.

Sucks that they didn't transition iPhones over to USB-C connectors and pushed for USB-C based headphones. Then there'd be no problem. The transition would be so much smoother. Right now you get Lightning based headphones with the iPhone 7. Which means, in a world where all their machines have USB-C, you still need an adapter to use it on your Mac. If the iPhone used USB-C no one with both a nice new iPhone and a nice new Mac would even care nor notice as much that they're now using headphones with a different connector.

However since it's Lightning and only iOS devices use Lightning it just creates another hurdle.

Seriously, Apple. You should have transitioned to USB-C on the iPhone/iPad or worked with Intel to make the USB-C connector interchangeable with Lightning. One connector to rule them all. Eventually Android phones would have USB-C. All iPhones would have USB-C. Any Windows Phones that are still being made would get them too maybe 5 years late. We'd finally be in the "one single connector to rule them all" world. But right now Lightning just causes problems. "Superior audio quality" aside. (I don't even buy that. How could you get better audio over Lightning and not as good audio over USB-C? Is that true? Seems silly.)

I imagine Apple will transition to no port at all on the iPhone before they put USB-C on it. But by that point, we'll all be so used to wireless headphones we won't even care.


If the Mac Pro doesn't get an update, do we assume it's been abandoned at this point? Because it's a travesty they made a huge deal out of its brand new revolutionary design then let it stagnate for years. I don't care if it's the fastest Mac you can get, technology advances really fast. And that poor Mac mini always gets the shaft. Just miniaturize everything and shrink the casing down. Make it all Flash. Get it over with. Drop HDD as an option and only offer Fusion or SSD on all Macs that still have disks. (iMac and Mac mini)
 
Sucks that they didn't transition iPhones over to USB-C connectors and pushed for USB-C based headphones. Then there'd be no problem. The transition would be so much smoother. Right now you get Lightning based headphones with the iPhone 7. Which means, in a world where all their machines have USB-C, you still need an adapter to use it on your Mac. If the iPhone used USB-C no one with both a nice new iPhone and a nice new Mac would even care nor notice as much that they're now using headphones with a different connector.

USB-C wasn't ready when Apple needed to drop 30 pin. Hell, Apple was instrumental in USB-C happening, and a lot of that was because Lightning was already in the marketplace, shaming the entire state of the USB market, and the fact that they could come up with something generically compatible with the existing USB chain (you don't need USB 3.1 or USB PD to have a USB-C cable!)

Even though USB-C is the clear road ahead it has significant supply issues and electrical concerns. Pretty sure Apple was not just going to drop 30 pin for something that was already struggling with flaky production (see: Pixel notebooks and 3rd party cables, or the sheer trouble right now with finding non-Apple USB-C chargers capable of properly charging say, a MB) Current adoption to date is still really slow.

If Apple switches to USB-C it will only be because of performance needs (which for now can be solved with the iPad Pro double-sided solution) or a very sturdy supply chain. My guess is the market waits on a few years of Apple desktops/laptops using USB-C only before the adoption rate picks up.
 

jstripes

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USB-C wasn't ready when Apple needed to drop 30 pin. Hell, Apple was instrumental in USB-C happening, and a lot of that was because Lightning was already in the marketplace, shaming the entire state of the USB market, and the fact that they could come up with something generically compatible with the existing USB chain (you don't need USB 3.1 or USB PD to have a USB-C cable!)

A while ago there was chatter that Apple actually designed the USB-C connector and didn't want to take credit for it.
 
A while ago there was chatter that Apple actually designed the USB-C connector and didn't want to take credit for it.

I've heard that as well, and I think Apple is at least a member in the USB Forum so it would make sense. But it's a lot harder to push a standard when you don't control it, so it's easy to see how Apple could transform their entire business with Lightning within a year, whereas USB-C is still taking off and seeing new elements to the spec (such as Audio).

I think once Apple switches over all of their non iOS products adoption should pick up quite a bit, if only because a lot of the "vanilla" gear that people need will become a lot more available in the ensuing gold-rush. Chargers, DP cables, etc.
 

The Real Abed

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The point is Apple could have tried to push to have USB-C's connector shape and pins match Lightning so at least the plugs would match and could eventually be merged in time.

Of course I don't know a thing about this stuff. I'm sure it's more complicated.

Having them be similar looking plugs makes it confusing. I'm sure there'll be a lot of people with USB-C to Lightning cables trying to plug the wrong connector into the wrong plug. At least if the pins matched and the plug was the same size they could make it work both ways.
 

jstripes

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lol people really believe this 'chatter'?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised. If Apple came out and said "yeah, we designed that" plenty of OEMs might have been suspicious of Apple's motivations and may have not been that eager to adopt it.

As far as I can recall, no one's ever come out and denied that Apple designed USB-C.
 

amnesiac

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Apparently someone found this image hidden away in the latest Sierra update (others claim it is in fact there):
applepaysplashsa-jpg.667853

found in /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PassKitUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ApplePaySplashSA.tiff
 
Apparently someone found this image hidden away in the latest Sierra update (others claim it is in fact there):


found in /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PassKitUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ApplePaySplashSA.tiff

Yup, it's on my system.

That looks like the new MacBook butterfly keyboard.

I only tried it briefly the last time I was in an Apple Store but I actually really enjoyed it. Fine with this change.
 
They should of released 10.1 for iPhone and the latest Mac OS at the event to avoid leaks like that. Someone will be in trouble for that image being in there.
 
I don't think the AMOLED bar and TouchID are coming to the Magic Keyboard anytime soon, given that sticking TouchID on a peripheral basically eliminates a lot of the security from the concept. It'll probably stay MBP exclusive for a long time, unless it gets added to the face of the iMac or something.

Speaking of which, once we hit 2017, the iMac is due for a design refresh. I wonder if we'll get something like that.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Apparently someone found this image hidden away in the latest Sierra update (others claim it is in fact there):


found in /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PassKitUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ApplePaySplashSA.tiff

And there it is.gif

Looks nice. Wish the bezels were minimized; but I like that the OLED strip doesn't seem to be broken into "quadrants," and instead is just a single, long slab of screen. Is Touch ID integrated UNDER the OLED display? If so, that's pretty snazzy.

I'm 100% in if, for $2499, I can get:

-High-end quad-core Skylake bare minimum
-32GB RAM
-Better than 965M performance and at least 4GB VRAM
-1TB SSD

... I think it'll be that last part that is tough; I'm expecting 512 to be the base.
 
And there it is.gif

Looks nice. Wish the bezels were minimized; but I like that the OLED strip doesn't seem to be broken into "quadrants," and instead is just a single, long slab of screen. Is Touch ID integrated UNDER the OLED display? If so, that's pretty snazzy.

Another image from that directory (on my system):

9t53iJK.jpg


There's a separate section of the strip for TouchID.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Another image from that directory (on my system):

9t53iJK.jpg


There's a separate section of the strip for TouchID.

Ah... still looks pretty great. Gotta say, I'm impressed.

Curious how thin this is gonna be.
 

Guess Who

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Looks just like the chassis leak. Hope you all are ready for the 4 USB-C + 3.5mm future.

Also, those are pretty damn narrow bezels by any standard other than the Dell XPS line. See no reason to complain.
 
The point is Apple could have tried to push to have USB-C's connector shape and pins match Lightning so at least the plugs would match and could eventually be merged in time.

No, not really.

Lightning: 8 pin per side, male/female design. Shipped 2012.
USB-C 12 pins per side, sheathed connector design. Shipped 2014.

Lightning is clearly easier to manufacturer, easier to repair/clean, and is a simpler interface overall as it doesn't reserve pins for non USB or USB2 compatibility. Apple would have had to make some bets on where various pins would end up and risk basically having the "Apple USB" spec anyway. Lightning does enough of what Apple needs while jettisoning things it does not (thunderbolt, Displayport, etc) which they handle as necessary with dongles. I think it's fair to say it's more of a "HD-DVD" to USB-C's Blu-Ray, but they had a huge lead-time to market so it was undoubtedly worth it while USB Forum sorts out everything else.
 
That OLED strip looks a lot more elegant than I thought it would look. Nice

Agreed. I'm slightly worried about the keyboard as it looks very much like the butterfly Macbook keyboard, but I'm hoping it's more akin to the current Macbook Pro iteration (I can dream, anyway). Can't wait to order one as soon as they go on sale. I also like that the keyboard, in the picture, seems quite large.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Honestly looks like a pretty natural evolution of the current design.

How thin it is and how much it weighs will probably be the biggest "feature."

Hopefully it maintains high-end specs, regardless.
 
There is, but travel is an important component and good god is it awful on the MacBook.

Depends on the person, I guess. I do a lot of programming and I've used everything from large mechanical keyboards to the one on the new Macbook and I think the travel issue is overblown. It feels different, no doubt.
 

samn

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Is that an actual image of the hardware though?
I mean that fucking screen bezel. DELL infinity displays make that bezel look like shit.

Dells have to have the webcam pointed up your nose because they wouldn't put a bit of bezel on the top to house it
 
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Deleted member 22576

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I hope you can make the oled strip display some dope-as-hell visualizers.
 
Looks like the Touch ID component is separate from the OLED strip. I am not going to be happy if the USB-C stuff turns out to be true, but I do like the potential of that strip.

Really, I just want a new Mac Pro tower, but that's 99% not happening, so I have no choice but to switch to a MBP.

Hard to say if this was a mistake, or an "oops" leak to counter any bad earnings news today.
 
Depends on the person, I guess. I do a lot of programming and I've used everything from large mechanical keyboards to the one on the new Macbook and I think the travel issue is overblown. It feels different, no doubt.

Just resting my fingers on most keyboards gives more tactile feedback than depressing one of the MacBook keys.
 
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