Just like that iPhone (4 I think?) where holding it a certain way (in this case, normally) caused it to short the wifi and mobile antennas causing a signal loss. Jobs' response: stop holding it that way or get a case.
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Just like that iPhone (4 I think?) where holding it a certain way (in this case, normally) caused it to short the wifi and mobile antennas causing a signal loss. Jobs' response: stop holding it that way or get a case.
Yeah I had been looking forward to upgrading my 2011 MBP and was hoping this refresh would be it. I'm slowly losing hope in apple and have started looking into Windows/Linux laptops myself. Day before the event I even told someone I could never go back to a Windows laptop. On the one hand you have apple who seems to be losing sight of its customers needs and on the other you have Windows 10...hence why I've started looking towards Linux.
Lord Error
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It is possible that he was using poorly made/incompatible dongles. Keyboard seems loud as hell though.
I know, the reason I want a MBP is so I can use the other Apple services I like such as Apple Music and all of the films and TV programmes I've purchased but I'm starting to realise that maybe Spotify isn't that bad.
And that's Apples problem for me because if that happens I start looking at other phones and services.
Zombie James
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Even if that's the case, I think the point he makes in the video stands: Apple's decisions will directly contribute to poor user experiences. Forcing dongles and adapters into the equations leads to people buying blind or just getting whatever's cheapest (even though the one he bought wasn't the cheapest and was well-rated) and that could lead to situations like this one.
What's wrong with Windows 10, or a Windows laptop for that matter?
I bought a MBP last year for my son along with a Surface Book for myself, and while I like the MBP I don't see any reason to use it over the SB (not counting specific Mac applications of course). I thought my son would use it more for iMovie since he had taken a course on multimedia creation (and used a Mac), but it's really just turned into a YouTube/iMessage/Facetime device.
I have my own reservations against Windows 10, a huge one being the whole unavoidable updating thing (I'm sure there are ways around it but I don't respect the fact that you'd need to muck around with the registry or run commands on prompt, it should be a simple checkbox), but also that I see it as being too "mobile-focused/ready". I still use Windows 7 on my desktop today because it's a solid OS that doesn't have any unnecessary frills. I can see the usefulness of Cortana or a revamped start menu but I'm personally not expecting those features just yet for a laptop.
I was actually very interested and excited about the Surface Book before it came out. I went to the Microsoft Store day of release last year ready to walk out with this thing but I decided to give this a test drive first, being a first gen device and all. So glad I did. I ran into so many issues with the device and the clerk was also stymied by them. It just wasn't ready yet at the time. Of course I'm sure these issues have long since been patched. One major thing that worried me was the fact that the mechanical latch was software-controlled. Even when I was playing with it I couldn't get it to properly detect whether it was in tablet mode or not 100% of the time. Certainly deterred by first hand experience. I love the idea and design of the device and may end up getting the next iteration of it.
Nothing wrong with Windows 7, but I don't understand the automatic update concern. Just about every OS I've used has automatic updates, including my son's MBP running whatever the latest version of their OS is. I guess I just don't understand why cumulative updates would be such a negative thing.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a great first (only?) experience and I wouldn't buy one if that was mine either. Thankfully, my Surface Book has been great and I haven't really had any issues with it. The sleep bug was/is present, but I've always used hibernate mode for long period anyways so it hasn't impacted me at all.
I hated the idea of it but I'm really warming to the touch bar and can see so many uses to it but and this is a big but, how many Mac apps will be updated to use it?
I've never used OSX before but I'm really getting into photography as a hobby and I've heard so many great things about using a Mac for this and other reasons.
I just wish the 15" wasn't so expensive although with Apples 0% finance offer during Christmas I'm warming up to the idea of owning one.
I've never used OSX before but I'm really getting into photography as a hobby and I've heard so many great things about using a Mac for this and other reasons.
I just wish the 15" wasn't so expensive although with Apples 0% finance offer during Christmas I'm warming up to the idea of owning one.
The updates themselves aren't the issue, but rather that the OS disregards anything you might be doing and forcibly installs them.
Additionally I remember reading once that the W10 upgrade dialog box itself was very misleading and against prior expectations. I think the gist of it was when this box comes up you can either delay the upgrade for later or X out of it, with the presumption that you don't want to deal with this right now. However, hitting that red X that would normally dismiss the box would actually initiate the upgrade. There were stories of people with slow, metered internet connections where they received hefty usage bills because Windows decided on its own to download and upgrade to 10.
These left me generally salty against W10, but again, these are my own feelings for it.
Sony
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A couple of points:
- Ofcourse the Latch is software controlled. The base isn't just a keyboard, there is a GPU and battery in there. The software needs some time to adjust to "tablet mode" where the base is not used anymore. Imaging ripping out your GPU out of your PC while it's running, you can't juse do that..
- You major Windows 10 gripe seems like a non-issue, the updating comment
- Your other Windows 10 gripe, it being to mobile/ready or something, is also a non issue. I've actively withheld my Surface Pro 3 from updating to Windows 10 because Windows 10 is a giant step backwords to Windows 8 in the mobile/tablet/touch UI front. Windows 10 can be used like a sleek Windows 7without any hassle, out of the box.
There are so many great Windows 10 ultrabooks on the market today that in my opinion, you're not willing to accept because your either biased against it (hey this is normal, if you're used to something you'll look for the smallest excuses not to change, I catch myself all the time doing this) or haven't seen what the market has to offer.
Disregard what you're doing and forcibly install them? You know that essentially you're saying that if you're working on a thesis in Word and simultaneously using SPSS software to analyze data, Windows 10 will tell you lol-fuck-you and install the update over your work? Where did you read this nonsense? And what does Windows 10 misleading people into updating (very small fraction of updates this happened to) have to do with your future use of Windows 10? How will that occurence influence your usage of Windows 10?
I admit some of my reasons for not using an OS are silly but aren't I entitled to an opinion? Not like I'm directly telling people to avoid W10 or anything.
Maybe it's as performant, if not better than 7 but I'm just not fully convinced jumping from an OS that has already worked so well for me for so long.
Sony
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It perfectly fine if you're satisfied with the OS you're using now, but with a statement like
"Yeah I had been looking forward to upgrading my 2011 MBP and was hoping this refresh would be it. I'm slowly losing hope in apple and have started looking into Windows/Linux laptops myself. Day before the event I even told someone I could never go back to a Windows laptop. On the one hand you have apple who seems to be losing sight of its customers needs and on the other you have Windows 10...hence why I've started looking towards Linux."
You're implying that you're looking for upgrade and that you've starting to look into Linux (implying you're ok with another OS). Then you gave reasons for why don't like Windows 10. Again perfectly fine if you don't, you're definetly entitled to your opinion, but your opinion was formed by things about Windows 10 that were not true and I thought I should clarify that. There are some amazing W10 devices out there and it would be a shame if you would miss out on it due to some misconceptions.
And before people accuse me of astroturfing for Microsoft, I don't even use Windows 10 myself. Why? Because I'm that unicorn that uses his Surface Pro 3 mostly as a tablet, and Windows 8.1 is the best tablet UI, ever.
biosnake20
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Apple is making dongles cheaper
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/4/13524272/apple-cutting-usb-c-adaptor-prices-macbook-pro
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/4/13524272/apple-cutting-usb-c-adaptor-prices-macbook-pro
New dongle and cable pricing through the end of the year from Apple:
USB-C to USB Adapter from $19 to $9
Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter from $49 to $29
USB-C to Lightning Cable (1m) from $25to $19
USB-C to Lightning Cable (2m) from $35 to $29
USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter from $69 to $49
USB-C VGA Multiport Adapter from $69 to $49
USB-C to USB Adapter from $19 to $9
Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter from $49 to $29
USB-C to Lightning Cable (1m) from $25to $19
USB-C to Lightning Cable (2m) from $35 to $29
USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter from $69 to $49
USB-C VGA Multiport Adapter from $69 to $49
eyeball_kid
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The dongles might be cheap, but his Dell didn't have wifi problems with them. So the MBP does seem to have a shielding issue, which is worrying. What percentage of dongles will cause this? We have no idea.
The keyboard loudness seems even worse though. Imagine typing on that in a quiet open office. It's hard to tell how much his mic is amplifying the sound, but it sure sounds incredibly loud.
Huh. So are those of us who already bought dongles going to get a refund for the difference?
Wow. How did these new MacBooks pass QC?
Like what? Genuine question. I'm a Apple guy so no agenda here but this just sounds nonsense.
Zombie James
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If they had announced that they'd be including some adapters in the box and sending out free ones to those who already bought the new MBP, that'd be something. Instead, they're having a month and a half-long sale.
Not good enough.
I don't recall that ever happening to me. In fact, after a major update (that requires reboot) is downloaded it waits until the middle of the night to install when the computer is not in use. Most of the time, I don't even notice it has updated.
Rocky Raccoon
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Better than nothing. I could use one to connect my USB Flash Drive.
Zombie James
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Oh, and looking at the Canadian store, it seems like Apple's dongle sale is US-only on top of it.
Zeyphersan
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Is Apple's USB-C to USB-A 5gbps or USB2 speeds?
Joel Was Right
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I thought they removed the SD Card port, in part, because things 'stick out'?
I thought they made the notebook thinner and lighter to make it more portable?
Apple's response? Cut dongles by $6.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
No doubt. On top of that Apple's own USB-C to HDMI dongle is apparently terrible (going by reviews) and it also doesn't pass more than 60W power through it so it's that much more useless for MBP owners who would want to use that port for charging. Still, I wouldn't rag on this before trying Monoprice's HDMI dongle, which is just $15, and their stuff is usually solid.
jts
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Why are you calling it a month and a half sale? And they do seem slashed throughout all the stores internationally, how much used to cost a USB-C to USB adapter in the Canadian store?
Zeyphersan
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HDMI? Is this a mistype? Why would you charge through HDMI?
jts
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Oh alright, was legitimately curious though, didn't find that information in the piece of news or in the store. I should have triple checked.
There are technical limitations to carry over 60w (100w cables carry USB 2.0) so I very much doubt you'll find another one that isn't as "useless" going by that metric, and on top of that the MBP 15" has 3 other USB-C ports that you can use to charge it at full speed.
But you can still charge it with 60w.
Rocky Raccoon
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How are LG's Ultrafine 4K and 5K displays?
They are 25% off now.
They are 25% off now.
Oh, shit. 5K DCI-P3 TB3 display for $975 is a great deal.
eyeball_kid
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The 5k display isn't out yet so no one knows, but it's supposedly the same display that's in the iMac 5k.
The only ports it has are USB-C (which is useless because you still need a separate hub for other ports), and I think it looks like a typical ugly PC display, but I guess the price is good. I'm not sure what people actually need a 5k display for. High-end film editing?
The dongles are a stopgap measure for the people who need them right now.
It doesn't make sense for all users to be carrying around these ports inside the laptop taking up space all the time. I barely use any of the ports on my MBP 13 2015. For the handful of times when I do use them, I'm fine with using a dongle.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204360
This is for the 12 inch, but should be the same. It says that the lightning USB-c cable can connect to all lightning devices.
Joel Was Right
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But surely the infrequent uses of these ports make it difficult to predict when you should carry a dongle? You're likely to find yourself in a situation whereby you've forgotten your dongle(s) at home because you've suddenly needed to use a port.
It's a lose-lose in every situation. Those who frequently need these ports must carry dongles, whilst those who use them rarely will eventually find themselves in a position that they've forgotten it.
Rocky Raccoon
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Ditto. Why are some people willing to pay for 5K display that's nearly $1K? That's enough to buy a decent gaming desktop with Nvidia 10x0 dGPU.
why are some people willing to spend $2000 for a laptop when you could buy like a billion sticks of gum
This argument makes sense.
It doesn't really ring true for me though. I use my laptop around the house, at coffee shops and occasionally when travelling. I can't think of a time when I needed to use an SD card or an HDMI cable at Starbucks. I imagine the same is true of most people. Few of us take our laptops out to the desert for photoshoots where there'll be nowhere nearby you can buy a dongle.
If you're a camera person who might use an SD card, just carry a reader with your camera. it's not that hard.
You could use this to argue for the inclusion of all sorts of ports, like Ethernet, which IMO would make the laptop too big.
eyeball_kid
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My question was not about price, but just that I don't understand the use case for a 5k display. Why not just get the 4k display, which is also wide gamut and is only $524?
p.s. does macOS treat these displays as Retina?
Sony
Banned
Wow, this should get waaay more attention. Tests should be done if it's an isolated defective Macbook or if it's a hardware defect. If they're betting so much on the two USB-C ports, it's should work flawlessly.
yes they operate as a retina display
I still haven't seen a good reason for why SD cards should be replaced by USB. SDs aren't just a port like Ethernet, it's an expandable exchangeable data storage. You can seamless integrated solutions that just can't be substituted by thumb drives (or wireless transfer as Phil suggested). The last upgradeable Mac is gone so obviously Applet doesn't care...
Zeyphersan
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Fuck I might have to buy it now. I said if it was sub-$1000 I'd get it..
Spiral Insanity
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Could anyone tell me what model/brand desk is being shown here?
The only thing stopping me from buying the LG displays is that I couldn't connect my PS4 to them. And for that price I wish they could also rotate 90 degrees.
The only thing stopping me from buying the LG displays is that I couldn't connect my PS4 to them. And for that price I wish they could also rotate 90 degrees.
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