Familienoberhauptvogel
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Oh yeah forgot about that, so silencing is just a punishment?
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Oh yeah forgot about that, so silencing is just a punishment?
He can take a talent to remove the movement slow on W. That's always been there. Nothing has changed. Probably just imagining the speed, honestly, or catching a slow otherwise or something.
Who knows on Rexxar. Since the Eternal Conflict event started and they pre-patched heroes in, the middle non-patch hero seems to be in the late afternoon while the patched hero seems to come earlier like normal (Monk was up super early here in PST).
Rexxar should be a non-patch hero, but the hero league changes et al could come in a small patch tomorrow possibly. I doubt it but it'd be nice. The Eternal Conflict stuff does have to go away too though.
There are several assassins who do fantastic work but who don't generally score high on the damage charts - Kerrigan is one of those. Illidan tends to be another. As long as people are dying your fine. She has low damage numbers because she's an all in character with zero poke - but every point of damage listed usually count for something, whereas for a lot of charavters the numbers are fluffed up by pointless background damage (e.g. Nazeebo!).
It's yet another reason why the stat numbers are a waste of time that often misleads people - it's doesn't show you useful damage at all...
Yeah that's how it seemed to me but good to have confirmation on that. My damage wasn't terrible mind you but I was a bit worried since Kerrigan is an assassin after all. I obviously just started playing so I have a lot to learn too but it felt pretty good to kill stuff with the combo.
Welp 18 Goblins short of the portrait
10 short, but I'd never use the thing. The completionist in me is screaming, but no way is #1 waifu Johanna ever getting replaced.
jaundicejuice
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Am I reading correctly that Misha respawn time is 15 secs plus 2 per level?
That's crazy if so, Rexxar seems useless without her
Where are you reading this?
Scroll down to eye of the storm #2
"Misha respawn timer is independent - it's related to your level (15 + 2/level seconds)."
jaundicejuice
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^^Spotted the Lone Druid player.
Misha is worth a Murky, only she has a longer respawn timer. Bad Rexxar players will feed the bear and essentially put your team down 4v5 for longer and longer the deeper in a match you get. Misha's the tank, Rexxar is a ranged creep. Without Misha Rexxar has one active ability and may or may not have an ult.
This is going to be interesting.
Misha is worth a Murky, only she has a longer respawn timer. Bad Rexxar players will feed the bear and essentially put your team down 4v5 for longer and longer the deeper in a match you get. Misha's the tank, Rexxar is a ranged creep. Without Misha Rexxar has one active ability and may or may not have an ult.
This is going to be interesting.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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unless Bestial Wrath makes Misha deal cleave damage, I bet the boars will be the Ult to pick.
An aoe slow that reveals stealthers and deals some damage sounds great.
The long respawn time is a disappointment especially as Rexxar becomes vulnerable during the downtime.
Maybe he'll have talents reducing it?
An aoe slow that reveals stealthers and deals some damage sounds great.
The long respawn time is a disappointment especially as Rexxar becomes vulnerable during the downtime.
Maybe he'll have talents reducing it?
time to get back to playing this, I haven't played since after Monk release.
Maybe Misha will be tanky enough that it'll be worth it. That's my hope. If the bear is tanky already AND rexxar can heal it AND a healer can heal it ... then maybe it'll still be good?
definetly not a solo tank though.
dream team is gonna be lost vikings, chen with panda pals, rexxar, nazeebo w/ garg, and rehgar. 11 units on one team?
The heal looks to be pretty substantial from the video, plus I'm sure it can be talented, as well as the devs saying explicitly in said video it was on a comparatively short cooldown.
I don't think her tankiness will be the biggest issue, I think it'll be whether or not you can reliably control (attack/retreat) her in an actual engagement. Your own positioning will have to take into account her retreat and everything. Taking that into account is what will exacerbate the tankiness issue.
He does have a stun (which can affect multiples) and CC is king so maybe he'll work out to some degree regardless.
I don't think her tankiness will be the biggest issue, I think it'll be whether or not you can reliably control (attack/retreat) her in an actual engagement. Your own positioning will have to take into account her retreat and everything. Taking that into account is what will exacerbate the tankiness issue.
He does have a stun (which can affect multiples) and CC is king so maybe he'll work out to some degree regardless.
Rexxar has 2 ults?
Killing Misha will always be easier than killing a hero. That's why the hero is balanced.
Of course she will be. That's why he has the strong heal and (I'm going to assume) a talent to reduce her death timer if that's something necessary. The player's ability to manage her in spite of this will determine how useful he is in the same way a good Vikings player gets much more value than an average or bad one.
jaundicejuice
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Killing Rexxar also kills the Misha and Rexxar isn't that mobile a hero, going by the dev video. Anyone with a dive that can bypass the bear and dodge its stun will be useful against Rexxar. Invis heroes pre-Boars might eat Rexxar for breakfast as well.
Warcraft 3.
Warcraft 3.
Have to be honest, Rexxar is the first hero since I joined in the alpha that appears utterly uninteresting from every angle. I wasn't too hot on Jaina, Thrall or Vikings but at least I could see the attraction with them. Rexxar just looks so unbelievably boring with his current ability set.
That and yet another freaking warrior...
That and yet another freaking warrior...
jaundicejuice
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I'm interested in Rexxar, enough so that I will buy the hero bundle tomorrow. The zoning, the stuns, the slows, the reveals, they look fun. He just looks kind of like a one-trick pony like Kael'thas and Thrall.
Kael'Thas actually has one of the most interesting and varied ability set and talent set in the game. The problem is Blizzard haven't understood the lesson of Jaina, and so his basic damage isn't high enough to allow him to take all those interesting options. Kael is forced by his talents to always go the 'most damage' route, which means you can't play him as a stun monster, a pyromaniac or whatever else you fancy. You have to pick the damage talents to bring his damage up to the level you want it at.
Jaina, on the other hand, typically takes one talent at best which improves her damage because her basic kit is extremely strong and her talent tree is all about more options and improving how spells work rather than 'Raargh more damage'.
That's the issue with Kael, in a nutshell. He has some fantastic talents, and a really interesting trait which creates brilliant interplay and choices on his abilities that should in theory make him one of the hardest characters in the game to play well.
Jaina, on the other hand, typically takes one talent at best which improves her damage because her basic kit is extremely strong and her talent tree is all about more options and improving how spells work rather than 'Raargh more damage'.
That's the issue with Kael, in a nutshell. He has some fantastic talents, and a really interesting trait which creates brilliant interplay and choices on his abilities that should in theory make him one of the hardest characters in the game to play well.
jaundicejuice
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I think Kael's got more build viability now than he did before. He's more than a Flamestrike/Ihgnite mortar now and there's more interesting combos you can land with Fury of the Sunwell replacing Ignite, but he's still not quite there. Kael's still kind of all about Living Bomb though, even with the recent changes kind of opening things up. Even the interesting talents you mention, Backdraft and Pyromaniac, are Living Bomb talents. Now he's got some interesting Flamestrike Talents, one decent Lapsed Gravity talent and one decent trait talent. Almost every powerful and useful ability of Kael's are tied to Living Bomb.
Sure seems like the least hyped I've seen the thread for a new hero all the way around. Even folks who weren't gonna play Vikings were at least excited by them.
Poor Rexxar. That's what happens when they give your voice actor to Rehgar. He's just a shell of his Hearthstone self...which, let's face it, is the most OP and canonical version of Rexxar, right?
Poor Rexxar. That's what happens when they give your voice actor to Rehgar. He's just a shell of his Hearthstone self...which, let's face it, is the most OP and canonical version of Rexxar, right?
Sure seems like the least hyped I've seen the thread for a new hero all the way around. Even folks who weren't gonna play Vikings were at least excited by them.
Poor Rexxar. That's what happens when they give your voice actor to Rehgar. He's just a shell of his Hearthstone self...which, let's face it, is the most OP and canonical version of Rexxar, right?
That or people still in MGSV mode :x
Maybe. I'm still at that myself. He's definitely on the low end either way. I'm hoping for a pleasant surprise but expecting to only play him to 5.
I'll be getting Rexar as soon as he's out. Lone druid was one of my favorite dota heroes so I hope Rexar can live up to the expectation.
He's the first hero since KT to have a proper stun in his kit so I've got some reason to believe.
I do remember some conversation about his talents going on because we talked about how flare must just be clairvoyance. That was forever ago though.
He's the first hero since KT to have a proper stun in his kit so I've got some reason to believe.
I do remember some conversation about his talents going on because we talked about how flare must just be clairvoyance. That was forever ago though.
Did anyone catch the Eye on the Storm (Gillyweed and Anna Prosser) show last episode?
Apparently they had Kent-Erik Hagman and Brian DeShazer from Blizzard on and one of the things mentioned was:
Thoughts on who it might be? One of the "forgotten" warriors? Leoric? Another warrior that is unreleased?
Apparently they had Kent-Erik Hagman and Brian DeShazer from Blizzard on and one of the things mentioned was:
Eye on the Storm said:
Thoughts on who it might be? One of the "forgotten" warriors? Leoric? Another warrior that is unreleased?
Guessing on Anub.
Pyros_Eien
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Sonya feels the more specialist-y of the warriors I think? I think it'd be more interesting for one of the crappier warriors though. That said I'm not sure I see too much specialist stuff coming from say ETC, Stiches, Chen or Diablo. And I'd assume it'd be one of these since they're by far the crappier warriors, and even heroes in general. Stitches maybe if they reworked his kit into building dissolving and creep killing stuff. Or ETC if they made his attackspeed trait buff creeps again(it used to I think?) and the heal work on them and stuff like that.
Pyros_Eien
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No, it could be what's his name from Legacy of the Void too. But meh then it really wouldn't matter if they told people I guess?
To me the most specialist feeling warrior is Leoric due to the way he melts creeps, plus his play style is definitely "different". If he still had his pre-nerf damage on structures it'd be the easy choice for me, but it's hard to tell what they think.
I didn't listen to it, those are just the show notes posted on Heroes Nexus. My guess would be that it was for an existing warrior, simply because they've said no more warriors for a while after Rexxar and Artanis, and the whole point of Artanis coming in is to fill a hole in the Starcraft roster at warrior.
Not much worth bringing up if it's someone we haven't seen as well.
EDIT: I will say I wish they pulled a swerve and were like "SYKE. Rexxar is a specialist". Feels like that is what he should be to me.
If it's an existing Hero, then Leoric seems an okay candidate, but I think it's more likely to be someone they're doing a rework of. Could be Stitches, ETC, or Diablo.
Edit - Think of it this way - if they change Leoric or Sonya to a Specialist and they change nothing about their kit, what exactly changes? - basically nothing. The match making's rules for warriors and specialists is lax enough that you'd rarely see a QM composition that looks any different. It's not like changing Tyrande to an Assassin, for example (just an example for the purpose of this post), which would all of a sudden put her in different match ups. More likely one of the characters that they're still reworking will have their kit changed and their role changed to go along with it.
Edit - Think of it this way - if they change Leoric or Sonya to a Specialist and they change nothing about their kit, what exactly changes? - basically nothing. The match making's rules for warriors and specialists is lax enough that you'd rarely see a QM composition that looks any different. It's not like changing Tyrande to an Assassin, for example (just an example for the purpose of this post), which would all of a sudden put her in different match ups. More likely one of the characters that they're still reworking will have their kit changed and their role changed to go along with it.
Yoshi are you even allowed to not spend money on Blizzard franchises? I thought it was compulsory like military enlistment.
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