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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK
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Agreed, none of the current ones make sense without a massive rework.
edit: Yes, more triple-S!
Orochinagis
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Most of the new warrior have at least one skill to deal with neutral camps and minions, I bet on Anubarak since he have skills to go pure specialist and CC control rather than killing heroes
Ah Blizzard missed an oportunity to add the WoD Misha, probably due make a new model for her.
EDIT: Saw the Latam trailer, dont recognize his voice not sure if is his original voice from WoW but curious about Rexxar omited the part about the orcs didnt like him cuz he is a halfbreed between an Orc and Ogre. So Rexxar went into exile because of that.
Was wondering where the trailer was.
Thought you were #ded after we didn't hear from you yesterday.
jaundicejuice
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Still the stupid monk on the front screen splash. Rexxar isn't on the shop yet.
It's an already released and virtually unplayed warrior. Stitches, Diablo and ETC are all on the bottom of the pile on hotdogs but none have a specialists kit or could be easily re-classed as such without being re-worked. Leoric makes the most sense being re-classified as a specialist but he's far from forgotten.
Also there's no problem with non-standard heroes within the standard roles if the matchmaking system is designed with new rules to take those non-standard heroes into account.
Warlords of Dreanor is an alternate universe as well as being in the past. Misha is dead and buried in Gorgrond. You run into Rexxar as a quest giver if you choose the gladiator building there as Horde.
It's an already released and virtually unplayed warrior. Stitches, Diablo and ETC are all on the bottom of the pile on hotdogs but none have a specialists kit or could be easily re-classed as such without being re-worked. Leoric makes the most sense being re-classified as a specialist but he's far from forgotten.
Also there's no problem with non-standard heroes within the standard roles if the matchmaking system is designed with new rules to take those non-standard heroes into account.
Warlords of Dreanor is an alternate universe as well as being in the past. Misha is dead and buried in Gorgrond. You run into Rexxar as a quest giver if you choose the gladiator building there as Horde.
Sonya's in a really good spot right now. (as evidenced by the C9 game.) Would be shocked if it's her.
They mentioned they were thinking about making Stitches anti-mage, so maybe him?
Dice
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Why would they want to change him?
The problem is that they're terrified of the hook (even though we love it and it leads to spectacular moments.) They nerfed the stuffing out of him because they didn't know what to do with him.
Sonya as a specialist makes no sense. Her mechanics are so crystal clear. Non of the current warriors really have a weird kit.
LOL I was wondering what your justification was for no to Leoric but yes to Sonya. Makes sense, dat reading comprehension got ya.
Leoric was the most "different" kit. Pre-nerf he was a siege monster. He's still a lane monster. Specialists are mostly lane and siege monsters so that's why I think he'd make sense. I don't think it would be him, though...probably one of the forgotten warriors (Diablo/ETC/Chen/Stitches) getting some kind of rework or something.
Uhh i read it as they changed a warrior's classification to specialist, still dont read it as 1. A remake or 2. Meaning an old warrior, i didnt watch the show tho
Sonya was me being grasping at straws because i guess she has merc lord or ppl like doing camps with her or something. Every other warrior has tank specific skillz and isnt paper
If it's a remake yall are talking about i definitely dont see leoric up for that at all, he's got a really successful tank style kit
Sonya was me being grasping at straws because i guess she has merc lord or ppl like doing camps with her or something. Every other warrior has tank specific skillz and isnt paper
If it's a remake yall are talking about i definitely dont see leoric up for that at all, he's got a really successful tank style kit
Your posts are confusing man.
They did say it was a change in classification. One would assume with a change in classification it would have to be remade or rebuilt to some degree because no warrior fits that mold they currently have.
The only hero that would make sense if not, as I just said, is Leoric because he fits the mold of a specialist as well as the mold of a warrior. He is just fine in the role he's in, though, so there would appear to be no need to change his classification.
A different warrior who is struggling now would make more sense...but how they could just "change em to specialist" and do nothing else as you read it makes little sense. A bad warrior not getting picked is still going to be a bad specialist not getting picked. In this two and three tank meta if you are a warrior and aren't being picked, you are real bad.
They did say it was a change in classification. One would assume with a change in classification it would have to be remade or rebuilt to some degree because no warrior fits that mold they currently have.
The only hero that would make sense if not, as I just said, is Leoric because he fits the mold of a specialist as well as the mold of a warrior. He is just fine in the role he's in, though, so there would appear to be no need to change his classification.
A different warrior who is struggling now would make more sense...but how they could just "change em to specialist" and do nothing else as you read it makes little sense. A bad warrior not getting picked is still going to be a bad specialist not getting picked. In this two and three tank meta if you are a warrior and aren't being picked, you are real bad.
I agree with Brian in that it's probably not a rework which means it's probably not an existing hero.
To me sounds like they're working on a warrior that's got a very non standard kit. Like summons or global presence or transformations or something like that.
It's got to be weirder then Leoric or Rexar though because changing from warrior to soecialist literally makes no difference except to say: "Hey this character controls weird"
To me sounds like they're working on a warrior that's got a very non standard kit. Like summons or global presence or transformations or something like that.
It's got to be weirder then Leoric or Rexar though because changing from warrior to soecialist literally makes no difference except to say: "Hey this character controls weird"
Rexxar's English voice actor was changed from Matthew Mercer to Steve Blum.
Yeah my posts suk
Basically i dont think they are talking about an old warrior but just sharing an anecdote thats like "hey we thought we made a warrior but we'll probably call it a specialist, look we think about these things", but maybe my reading comp is poopy diapers
If they were to just to make a classification switch on an existing warrior sans remake, sonya is the only option i see because shes doesnt fit into what they are trying to forward as a warrior
What i really want to say tho is that classifications are dum
Basically i dont think they are talking about an old warrior but just sharing an anecdote thats like "hey we thought we made a warrior but we'll probably call it a specialist, look we think about these things", but maybe my reading comp is poopy diapers
If they were to just to make a classification switch on an existing warrior sans remake, sonya is the only option i see because shes doesnt fit into what they are trying to forward as a warrior
What i really want to say tho is that classifications are dum
I don't think it's a new one because they explicitly said that they aren't releasing more warriors for a while once they clear Rexxar and Artanis. Wouldn't make much sense.
Now it's possible that this hero is far-far out. It'd have to be 6 or 8 months at least I'd imagine...but then why bring it up at all? Not really their style with this game to even divulge things unless they are possible or likely. Especially since we came out of Alpha.
To me that makes it far more likely someone we have is getting looked at.
Now it's possible that this hero is far-far out. It'd have to be 6 or 8 months at least I'd imagine...but then why bring it up at all? Not really their style with this game to even divulge things unless they are possible or likely. Especially since we came out of Alpha.
To me that makes it far more likely someone we have is getting looked at.
Interfectum
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Isn't Rexxar supposed to be out today?
jaundicejuice
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Bottom 4 warriors: # of games played, popularity, winrate.
Arthas being made into a merc'ing specialist makes sense, minimal talent rework to make that happen and one of his ults shuts buildings down.
hotdogs said:
Arthas being made into a merc'ing specialist makes sense, minimal talent rework to make that happen and one of his ults shuts buildings down.
Arthas does make sense. I only discarded him because he's one of the Blizzard poster boys and I feel like they would want him perceived as a warrior or at the least an assassin instead of a specialist based on his lore.
Yea I agree but they can't until having a healer is not mandatory. At least for QM.
Yeah, i wish casters would focus on/know about lane assignments instead, which would help create a mandatory meta more organically
davepoobond
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that seems to be my thought right now as well. he's a bit like an azmodan
What do you consider hard and fast lane assignments with the current meta on DK/Sky Temple/Tomb/Cursed? I'm genuinely curious as it's not something I pay a whole lot of attention to overall in professional games as opposed to what I would in another moba.
jaundicejuice
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One thing that makes laning assignments difficult in HotS is the sheer number of maps and how some heroes are situationally useful on certain maps. At best I've seen some specialists--Zegara, Hammer and Azmodan--fill the solo offlaner role on maps like Booty Bay, Sky Temple, both bot lane. Gazlowe may be a dumpster tier hero but on a map like Dragon Shire he can make capping a shrine or the dragon knight a nightmare. Anything with a fixed objective that he can spam his turrets around. Tychus is amazing for the objectives on the Diablo themed maps if you let him stand there and right click, he just melts the immortals and chews through the shrine waves. So do you just park him mid-lane pre-10 so he can quickly get to any shrine objective fight?
With Dota you've got the one map (with some themed, seasonal variations) so it makes just focusing on heroes and hero matchups easier. With HotS every new map is a new wrinkle to sort out, which is good, but the constant influx of maps makes it harder for the hero meta to crystalise. It sorta changes map to map.
With Dota you've got the one map (with some themed, seasonal variations) so it makes just focusing on heroes and hero matchups easier. With HotS every new map is a new wrinkle to sort out, which is good, but the constant influx of maps makes it harder for the hero meta to crystalise. It sorta changes map to map.
I don't know what Brian's talking about. But lane assignments in hots to me has always been about where the solo lane is and whose going to take it. Then, if you first pick a Zeratul or something you need to be thinking what the best two solo lanes and laners are.
I think we still see pro drafts where the lane match ups/assignments are shit... But lanning is such a small part of the game that to me it doesn't seem like it would be enough to impact the meta.
Edit: and really what jaundice juice is talking about seems to be where the game is heading as we get more and more heroes. The meta is gonna be more about hero to hero to map match ups then anything else I feel.
It's already getting there, we just don't have enough heroes to fully realize it.
I think we still see pro drafts where the lane match ups/assignments are shit... But lanning is such a small part of the game that to me it doesn't seem like it would be enough to impact the meta.
Edit: and really what jaundice juice is talking about seems to be where the game is heading as we get more and more heroes. The meta is gonna be more about hero to hero to map match ups then anything else I feel.
It's already getting there, we just don't have enough heroes to fully realize it.
That's pretty much how I approach it. Feels more like something you are working around deficiency wise (you have Zera/Nova/Kerrigan/whatever roamer) more times than something you are exploiting (like the Hammer example you gave).
jaundicejuice
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Man, this feels like a PSN update day.
Dice
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Too many passive-aggressive apathetic assholes. Can only stand 4 games at a time, but the real question is why I'm playing at all when the state of the game is like this.
For clarity: This is the only game I know that can make even winning so miserable.
For clarity: This is the only game I know that can make even winning so miserable.
jaundicejuice
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Rexxar bundle is on the shop!
I own the bundle but I can't choose the hero. Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng.
Hi there, have you heard about my good friend Jesus. And by Jesus I mean Dota 2, or any MOBA for that matter.
I own the bundle but I can't choose the hero. Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng.
Hi there, have you heard about my good friend Jesus. And by Jesus I mean Dota 2, or any MOBA for that matter.
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