Familienoberhauptvogel
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well that's 20%
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well that's 20%
or if they gave it like a semi artanis charge. The worst part about playing him most of the time is the bear lagging behind when you want to be running in. Let it always be in front of me or something. I don't know, just an excuse for bad micro, but shouldn't have to micro it while mounting or whatever, maybe you should.
well, 320 for flamestrike. So 1% = 3.2 damage off flame strike. Before nerf fel infusion flamestrike = 336, after nerf flamestrike with fell infusion will do = 332.8 at level 1.
I haven't played rexxar in forever. pretty sure he's just tracer food.
or maybe not... imagine the sickest play. where you run the bear over to where she's gonna recall to and then you right click her a bunch with your extended range and hit her with the slow hawk, and then she recalls right into the bear. GG. Now let rexxar ascend to korea.
I like micro heroes, the problem is picking him in QM is a trap and picking him in HL is a mistake.
or maybe not... imagine the sickest play. where you run the bear over to where she's gonna recall to and then you right click her a bunch with your extended range and hit her with the slow hawk, and then she recalls right into the bear. GG. Now let rexxar ascend to korea.
I like micro heroes, the problem is picking him in QM is a trap and picking him in HL is a mistake.
KojiKnight
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Savage.
As for the Rexxar changes... I'm not going to lie, I'll enjoy his buffs... but honestly they won't effect my play style too much. The secret to Rexxar has always been that he's a pretty crappy warrior, but an excellent specialist. This just makes me be a little bit more survivable when I'm not doing the latter.
Honestly, the same goes with Lunara... I had a HELL of a time enjoying her trying to play her as a straight assassin... then I realized she's actually an amazing specialist who's mislabeled... Not even sure why the two of them aren't labeled specialists, there are fewer of them than Warriors and Assassins, and their specialist builds put Gazlowe to shame.
I actually kind of fear their reworking of Rexxar will make him less effective as a specialist... Soloing bosses at level 7 is insanely satisfying.
Rexxar being a trap follows in a long line of heroes I like that are traps for QM. Tassadar because of the support issues, Morales because you can heal 160k in a game but are otherwise useless and can't really help your team, Cho'Gall because of RNG, Abathur because of the same comp RNG plus map RNG, and Dehaka because he requires coordination that you can't expect to get in QM.
All pretty fun heroes for me, but ones I rarely play unless I smurf because I don't wanna hear the qq from the randoms or feel bad about hosing someone else by going that route.
I truly wish he was so I could play him without guilt. Would see him a whole lot more often if he wasn't constantly in peril of being the lone tank in a QM setting.
All pretty fun heroes for me, but ones I rarely play unless I smurf because I don't wanna hear the qq from the randoms or feel bad about hosing someone else by going that route.
I truly wish he was so I could play him without guilt. Would see him a whole lot more often if he wasn't constantly in peril of being the lone tank in a QM setting.
My experience with Tassadar solo healing in QM has been abysmal. That counts me doing it and almost everyone we have ever played with from GAF and otherwise doing it. It just rarely works and that sucks because I mained him in Alpha. I love playing him. It just requires too much patience from your team, or you just get blown out by one of the big healing supports.
Rexxar is a definite issue. Artanis too. Sonya is an issue to me, but not quite as bad as Tassadar, Artanis, and Rexxar because she's a stronger hero than Artanis and Rexxar IMO.
Brightwing and Tyrande are fine, IMO, though they are more towards the Abathur/Cho'Gall end of the spectrum where the randomness of the matchmaker can create a comp that's far less likely to win than the other healing supports. I've never had any issue with Lunara being bad for QM, just sometimes you get countered like with anyone.
brickwalker0
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oh cool Rexxar buffs, i was thinking of him being my next master skin after I get Lunara's.
Butcher buffs are nice to see but they made small changes to talents that just can't be picked over the other ones offered in the same tier.
seems like at level 1 you HAVE to pick Victuals (recover 3% hp on Meat pickup) unless you have a healbot in lane with you so you can't pick the new Chop Meat talent.
at level 7, you need Abattoir (max Meat 35, only lose half upon death) and cant pick the new Insatiable Blade (increased self-healing on basic attacks)
i don't own Butcher but at a glance thats what it looks like.
has anyone tried Rexxar or Butcher against Tracer? just trying to see if its even worth playing them after this patch for the first week.
Butcher buffs are nice to see but they made small changes to talents that just can't be picked over the other ones offered in the same tier.
seems like at level 1 you HAVE to pick Victuals (recover 3% hp on Meat pickup) unless you have a healbot in lane with you so you can't pick the new Chop Meat talent.
at level 7, you need Abattoir (max Meat 35, only lose half upon death) and cant pick the new Insatiable Blade (increased self-healing on basic attacks)
i don't own Butcher but at a glance thats what it looks like.
has anyone tried Rexxar or Butcher against Tracer? just trying to see if its even worth playing them after this patch for the first week.
KojiKnight
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Tassadar as a single healer is brutal, especially when the other team gets Rehgar or Morales... Not only can you not compete with their heals, you don't have many tools to make up the difference.
Rexxar is definitely a problem in solo queue in QM... but I do it anyways. Going specialist has won me MANY QMs, especially in Immortals and Bay. Top row in bay is just begging to be merc abused by him. Immortals you can usually get away with 4 of your team defending while you sneak off on attack, and even barring that Misha's charge/stun is game changing in tightly packed team fights like you get around the immortals.
Lunara is fine. In most matches 1 assassin = 1 specialist. That's why Zagara and Sylvannas work fine in QM without too much worry. Sometimes with Abathur it can be a problem... especially in maps where having another person present can make a huge difference.
I can't speak about Artanis... for some reason I just can't 'get' him. Like I in theory understand how he should play, but in practice I just can't seem to manage him.
(edit) Lunara's masterskin is easily my favorite Masterskin... and it's probably only partially because I mained a Druid during vanilla wow...
Rexxar is definitely a problem in solo queue in QM... but I do it anyways. Going specialist has won me MANY QMs, especially in Immortals and Bay. Top row in bay is just begging to be merc abused by him. Immortals you can usually get away with 4 of your team defending while you sneak off on attack, and even barring that Misha's charge/stun is game changing in tightly packed team fights like you get around the immortals.
Lunara is fine. In most matches 1 assassin = 1 specialist. That's why Zagara and Sylvannas work fine in QM without too much worry. Sometimes with Abathur it can be a problem... especially in maps where having another person present can make a huge difference.
I can't speak about Artanis... for some reason I just can't 'get' him. Like I in theory understand how he should play, but in practice I just can't seem to manage him.
(edit) Lunara's masterskin is easily my favorite Masterskin... and it's probably only partially because I mained a Druid during vanilla wow...
Played against Rexxar as Tracer in that game you and I played when you were on Medic. The Misha stun is annoying because it's not just a one person stun, so it can get multiples. You have multiple evasion CD's, but it's not like Charge has a huge cooldown either.
Whenever I could get past the bear, though, it was pretty easy pickings. That was a brutal game, too. That Kael'thas fed like no other.
No doubt. So good. One of my top 3-5 favorites. I like Xul's (reminds me of a full WoW raid set) and Nazeebo's (cause of the mask and the soulstone thing) a lot too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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A pattern I have noticed while going down the food chain these past couple days is areluctance to push. After a teamfight I want to take down the fort in lane but everyone else just buggers off to do some map control and we lost the game eventually with all their forts standing. That also shows on hotslogs with the structure xp it really does add up.
brickwalker0
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oh right, forgot about that one. yeah that was the one with Master Skin Rexxar, he seemed to know what he was doing.
i'd like to give Butcher and Rexxar a shot this week with all the inevitable Tracers but i don't own Butcher yet
so Rexxar it is.this is exactly what i was about to say, i just read his trait and just increasing his attack damage seems lackluster. reduce it to like 1.5% of his health and make it baseline, imo.
brickwalker0
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double.
If you ever thought I walked away from turn-ins too early before, I was constantly cancelling at the very last second by hitting z.
Yeah this is pretty painful, esp when you have sylv
Poke Butcher is best Butcher. Though these changes won't have a huge effect on that style. Initiating with charge is usually just another name for feeding, much better suited for chasing down stragglers. He still just doest really fit in anywhere compared to Illidan or Thrall.
This is going on in my QM game right now.
EDIT: He got to 77 coins before they finally killed him and we could grab the coins and turn in. What a fucking prick.
The Tracer + Illidan combo was a little rough on Nazeebo's bad back. Plus our Tyrael would use his Judgement to LEAVE a fight just to keep hold of his coins instead of peeling.
KojiKnight
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God if only I was there to see it rain after he died...
brickwalker0
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deeeeeeyuuum
jaundicejuice
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Rewind shuts Butcher charge down hard and a decent Tracer can be hard to tag with Lamb. He's pretty much just there to be bullied out of lane and pad Tracer's damage numbers.
Rexxar's kind of in a similar boat. Misha is slow and mostly just eats damage, although she can eat the damage better than Butcher but if Rexxar gets caught out too far from safe ground or from his team, he's just dead.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I have to be honest, I no longer consider Artanis in the bruiser category. Whilst he's clearly not a top tier tank like Muradin, he is now more than capable of doing the job (especially compared to Sonya or Tyrael in a solo quick match setting). Artanis is tough as nails if built purely for tanking.
I also think a big issue he has is people not taking suppression pulse when he's the solo warrior. That ability is *ridiculously* powerful for what it does, and it often feels like the Ion cannon beam is a trap talent. Yes it's occasionally capable of hilarious plays at 20 when it obliterates an entire team, but most of the time all it does is make someone run in a circle for a few seconds.
I also think a big issue he has is people not taking suppression pulse when he's the solo warrior. That ability is *ridiculously* powerful for what it does, and it often feels like the Ion cannon beam is a trap talent. Yes it's occasionally capable of hilarious plays at 20 when it obliterates an entire team, but most of the time all it does is make someone run in a circle for a few seconds.
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jaundicejuice
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I've already had a Tracer on both teams in every match already. Does Tracer being released tomorrow mean there will somehow be more Tracers in every match? Everyone will be Tracer, like it's Pudge Wars?
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