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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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WonderRade
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wooooooooooooooow that was amazing
Don't remember, honestly. But dem smileys, such passive, much aggressive. ;-)
Long time follower of the thread here, just got vetted to post.
I mostly play the game (since alpha, but mostly QM) rather than following the competitive matches closely, but I usually tune into the finals. What a great series.
As an avid follower of competitive Starcraft, it was cool to see Duckdeok hoist a trophy in a completely different game.
I mostly play the game (since alpha, but mostly QM) rather than following the competitive matches closely, but I usually tune into the finals. What a great series.
As an avid follower of competitive Starcraft, it was cool to see Duckdeok hoist a trophy in a completely different game.
We just had an equally lopsided one:
Nazeebo (me), Chromie (Milly), Murky, Dehaka, Illidan vs ETC, Nazeebo, Zeratul, Medivh, Sonya
And we straight shrekt them. Felt good man.
We also did our first 3 placement games (well, my first 3 on alt account. I'm d3 on my main) and went 2-1. We had this super salty Uther in one of our games who was constantly typing "sigh (insert hero name)" or "(insert hero name)..." whenever they did something he didn't like. We ended up winning, and at the end Milly and I spammed the chat with "sigh" "sigh" "sigh" "sigh". Sometimes you just gotta BM back boys, but be selective.
Not a bad day of HOTS all in all.
Nazeebo (me), Chromie (Milly), Murky, Dehaka, Illidan vs ETC, Nazeebo, Zeratul, Medivh, Sonya
And we straight shrekt them. Felt good man.
We also did our first 3 placement games (well, my first 3 on alt account. I'm d3 on my main) and went 2-1. We had this super salty Uther in one of our games who was constantly typing "sigh (insert hero name)" or "(insert hero name)..." whenever they did something he didn't like. We ended up winning, and at the end Milly and I spammed the chat with "sigh" "sigh" "sigh" "sigh". Sometimes you just gotta BM back boys, but be selective.
Not a bad day of HOTS all in all.
I hear ya. If they have enougb time to bitch, they have enough time to play.
jaundicejuice
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Actually they have enough time to bitch because they've already fed.
Edit: Ley Line Seal is a pretty hilarious counter to Mind Control. Or any channeled ultimate.
Edit: Ley Line Seal is a pretty hilarious counter to Mind Control. Or any channeled ultimate.
also another thing worth noting, the kind of recent executioner change was a huge buff esp. w/ wizened duelist being able to be taken now after the q nerfs
So one thing I find very interesting relating to the C9 breakup. Dunk and Caff mentioned that they had just been together a long time, and there was a lot built up between them, and so forth...basically that there was tension to some degree.
Every night, though, we see Caff playing with iDream and k1pro on Rentaro or Zoia's streams. Cattlepillar was new, and Arthelon was newish...so the issue was with Dunk himself? /latenightthoughts
Every night, though, we see Caff playing with iDream and k1pro on Rentaro or Zoia's streams. Cattlepillar was new, and Arthelon was newish...so the issue was with Dunk himself? /latenightthoughts
Man so disappointing.
Was a level 34 previously. I'm not super good in the game. But I am constantly improving. And I like to learn a lot about how to play properly, match-ups, team comps, etc.
Placement matches where my MMR is supposed to swing a bit easier. And I go 7/3. 4 game win streak.
And what do I get? Silver 4. Second to last division... almost last!
I'm stuck. I play with people that first ban morales. I was hopeful based on this soft reset, doing pretty dang well in placement matches that I could MAYBE eek out a Gold 4 or 5 placement. That way, I would be playing with people that took the game seriously, knew how to build an actual team comp in drafting, etc.
Played one and calculated that I need to play 3, MAYBE 4 games and win them all to bump up to Silver 3. I don't play a crap ton of games.
Oh well.
Was a level 34 previously. I'm not super good in the game. But I am constantly improving. And I like to learn a lot about how to play properly, match-ups, team comps, etc.
Placement matches where my MMR is supposed to swing a bit easier. And I go 7/3. 4 game win streak.
And what do I get? Silver 4. Second to last division... almost last!
I'm stuck. I play with people that first ban morales. I was hopeful based on this soft reset, doing pretty dang well in placement matches that I could MAYBE eek out a Gold 4 or 5 placement. That way, I would be playing with people that took the game seriously, knew how to build an actual team comp in drafting, etc.
Played one and calculated that I need to play 3, MAYBE 4 games and win them all to bump up to Silver 3. I don't play a crap ton of games.
Oh well.
scoobs
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If you're good enough, you will get out of silver almost immediately. Good players can carry lower ranks with ease.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Great players can, good players it can take some time. Just decent may never get out.
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but until you hit Platinum it's unlikely you're gonna see anything very much better than what you are currently. There's a shift around ~2400 MMR (going off the old MMR standards in preseason via hotslogs) where the games get better...or at least less toxic and stupid. There's plenty of stupid at every level, but it's different stupidity as you go up.
The only other suggestion I can give other than grinding it out is to consider creating a smurf account. If you really think you're better than that, it's the quickest way to know and to start getting in better games quickly. Mainly depends on how much you've already invested, though.
I agree with this, but it's not quite that simple. "With ease" is a bit of a stretch unless you're some master league player stomping on silvers and golds.
As someone who has done this before (climbed from 1800 mmr to 3k mmr in HL after throwing my first ~80ish games in HL away goofing around despite being a 3k MMR player in QM and HL on my other accounts) it's not quite so easy as "just carry your way out of it if you're good enough". It took me til game ~210ish to get rank 1 (I was like rank 24 or something in MMR hell on that account) and 2900 MMR. So roughly 130 games to climb ~1000 MMR. I have no clue what my winrate in those 130 games was, but I have a 60.4% winrate in Hero League across 222 games now. You will eventually get there, yes, but the amount of time and games required is ridiculous unless you massively outclass your opponents.
The issues with lower MMR games go much further than stupid bans or picks. There's frequently far more toxicity. Regular disconnects which leave you in the lurch. And a preponderance of "Laynor" and "I'll only push this one lane" specialists that you rarely encounter once you get to Platinum and above. Even when shit goes well in the draft, any of the above 3 can quickly derail the game for you and you just lose automatically.
Like I've said before, I wouldn't wish being stuck there on anyone who does actually know how to play the game. It's a god damn cesspool and other than the monetary barrier to entry, has to be the biggest thing preventing people from sticking with the game. To be fair, there's a difference between knowing how to read the game and actually being able to mechanically do what is needed. Some people are just good at knowing what to do, but not good at doing (see MonteCristo from League of Legends, for example). There's also the people are who decent at playing and can't read it/explain how they do it for shit. But if you have become skilled enough to get out and have wasted your "bonus" MMR, I feel for those people. It's a long grind and I suspect most give up out of frustration, or just create a smurf like I did.
They weren't taking that talent at all from what I could see - almost always relentless predator, and occasionally alpha killer. Agree it's a great talent though!
Seems that way to me too
Yeah i dont recall, but all of those are good talents too
Caff for mac and k1 for bige makes the most sense to me atm
Dunno what fan's relationship is with c9 but it's prob not so bad
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Fan once ominously said someone on C9 did something bad to him, forgot the exact wording.
That was about it - was on state of the nexus I think? He refused to go into details on it.
Not sure why people want Mac to leave NVT, I've always thought he was one of their better players. Kenma is the main issue, along with their issues around putting the right people into the right roles (the stories about Zuna insisting on heroes didn't fill me with confidence!).
Yep, roles is a huge issue for that team. Some members have egos that are writing cheques they can't cash. They need to sort it out and get people into more fixed roles, and work on them.
Agree on the supports, but I'm not really up to speed on the NA scene at all right now apart from the guy with the fantastic Afro being a god-like li-Ming player. Everything has been so messy recently it's hard to see who could fill what.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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The issue is they don't have a great support nor a great tank player and none of their players can fill the latter role properly.
It just feels like the choice would be between Mac and Fan and Fan just ekes him out.
It just feels like the choice would be between Mac and Fan and Fan just ekes him out.
Fans better on Illidan, but to date haven t been hugely impressed with him on ranged dps or Kerrigan as much (particlulary li-Ming). There's got to be room in the team for two highly skilled flex players who cover different roles - it just feels like the other stuff crowds them out (Zuna demanding Kael, no top tier support player, lack of consistency around the tank role).
I dislike him because he's been incredibly toxic in some of his streams (and used the typical homophobic gamer speak), but in terms of skill base he's not the weakest player on the team - and he is damn good on Kerrigan. I don't think he's a god, I just think that if you are looking for weak points there's a number on the list before you get to Mac.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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you always need an Illidan player, you only need a kerrigan player for Infernal Shrines and even there it's just an upside to have one.
Korea made it fairly clear that you need a great Greymane player right now and 1.5 tanks at least.
2 Warrior comps were by far the most popular and the most successful comps at worlds.
NVT is struggling to get half a tank player, if Bige is the only one who can play Greymane he should be pretty much locked unless someone else takes that role. Fan also covers the abathur.
It's not really "two tanks", it's Tank + Frontliner. That can be Thrall, Xul, Sonya, Illidan, Artanis, etc. (Or a second tank, especially if you have someone like KT who's stupid atm) There's too much burst right now for Tank + 3 ranged, because the moment a backliner gets exposed they're dead.
I don't think the issue is that only BigE can play Greymane, it felt like BigE can only play Greymane.
I don't think the issue is that only BigE can play Greymane, it felt like BigE can only play Greymane.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sonya skews it, edited to 2 warrior comps.
Both "Two Tank" and "Two Warrior" are wrong tho.
Two Tank really only works with KT right now.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Both "Two Tank" and "Two Warrior" are wrong tho.
Two Tank really only works with KT right now.
I didn't fact check it but in one of the infographics to worlds it was 2 Warrior 1 Assassin 1 Specialist 1 Support that was both most popular as well as most successful.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I said as much and you quoted it.
2 Melee comp, fine you happy now?
2 Melee comp, fine you happy now?
Tank
Melee DPS (Sonya, Xul, Artanis all live here) or Second Tank
Healer
Ranged DPS
Flex
is the current template. Melee DPS as a hard second slot is a recent development, as Blizzard appears to want to make sure the Melee guys and girls actually see play, because for a long time they weren't due to getting outclassed by Ranged DPS.
Melee DPS (Sonya, Xul, Artanis all live here) or Second Tank
Healer
Ranged DPS
Flex
is the current template. Melee DPS as a hard second slot is a recent development, as Blizzard appears to want to make sure the Melee guys and girls actually see play, because for a long time they weren't due to getting outclassed by Ranged DPS.
brickwalker0
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went 3-7 in placement matches, placed in Platinum 2.
ok.
ok.
Yeah, there's some bs going on with just how "lenient" it is for existing players, it feels like.
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