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[hampig]

Anyone else feel like it's time to remove or heavily rework daily quests?

Now that we've got unranked draft, the majority of our game modes are now drafts (unranked, HL, TL). More people are playing draft modes than before, because in addition to having unranked, we've also got a new ranked experience.

Obviously it's potentially bad if you're trying to bang out your dailies only in drafts. So if you've only got time for a few games a night, you're going to complete less dailies if you only play drafts vs if you only played QM. Sure, you could bang them out quickly in vs AI matches, but that's obviously not the intention behind them.

What it comes down to is that on one hand, Blizzard is incentivizing us to play draft modes (esp ranked, with the rewards for each season), but contradicting that with dailies.

I think Browder mentioned in passing once a few months ago that they were looking into daily quest changes, but don't think anything more ever came of it.

He definitely mentioned them a while ago, and I think it's absolutely needed now with ranked. I don't play QM anymore, and if me or somebody else are just shooting for quests in ranked or ur draft, it can totally screw up a team comp.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I'm gonna jam some Vikings today only ever played a single game with them.

Other than that Medivh is the only one I want to try out. The only heroes I don't have at 5 I frankly just don't want to play most prominently Butcher haven't played him once.

 

[Alur]

A win of the day reward could alleviate some of that (give you the feeling that you arent being punished for playing what you want)

I think that would be sweet.

I feel like them reworking quests was probably more to diversify them than to re-do the whole system, but who knows. I don't see what's in it for them to make all quests or most quests doable in unranked/ranked monetarily though. It only hurts their ability to sell new heroes and old ones alike.

 

[Milly79]

Don't ever let Alur play Vikings. He will ruin your friendship.

 

[kirblar]

Don't ever let Alur play Vikings. He will ruin your friendship.

That bad, huh?

 

[Milly79]

Yeah, that bad.

I think we were having it out that day anyway, but he went AFK or something and got auto picked TLV in HL. That was the downfall for about a month or so, lol.

 

[Alur]

I didn't go AFK, I just lost track of the draft IIRC. I didn't realize I was up, thought enemy was picking.

To be fair this was Milly before TLV got autopicked:

And this was from the moment TLV got picked til now, every time TLV is mentioned:

Milly gave me that passive aggressive snark that people do in HL all the time when someone drafts a hero they don't like, so I snarked back. He leaves dat part out doe.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

wtf is up with your emotes, did you accidentally install a toolbar?

 

[Alur]

Clash Royale breh. And those are gifs, not emotes. But I'm trying to be like Ketch with his emotes.

 

[Milly79]

 

[Alur]

That's the ones. What are they from?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Clash Royale breh. And those are gifs, not emotes. But I'm trying to be like Ketch with his emotes.

A one and the same nowadays and B bad gifs are bad

 

[Alur]

You'd have to play it to appreciate the sheer rage that those emotes can induce in a 3 minute match. It's truly something. Think Hearthstone's "sorry" but they are all like that.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I played it for about 3 seconds then I realised I didn't have the mental capacity for another grindfest of a game.

 

[Milly79]

Never play Marvel Heroes then. I think it's the grindest of the grind.

And they're called NeoGAF Dota 2 Emotes. It's a user script for Firefox.

 

[Ketch]

Clash Royale breh. And those are gifs, not emotes. But I'm trying to be like Ketch with his emotes.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Did they take away the ability to select 2 vikings by hand or is that a byproduct of switching AA to LMB?

 

[kirblar]

Did they take away the ability to select 2 vikings by hand or is that a byproduct of switching AA to LMB?

It's a byproduct of that. I had to reset my settings to fix it. Since they're my #1 hero I kinda need it available.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

It's a byproduct of that. I had to reset my settings to fix it. Since they're my #1 hero I kinda need it available.

That's unfortunate it's pretty essential to be able to do so.

Anyway

11 deaths is almost impressive, isn't it that like 15 per viking.

and the weird thing is I actually did well. R stun into Q is so much damage. We only won because our opponents durdled around after wiping us not even getting boss then I told my team to do boss in an already open lane instead of going tribute which only ended up being me azmodan and greymane bot, rest dies going for a noncritical tribute. Illidan comes to wipe us and we manage to kill him in exchange which left them zero damage to kill the boss and it kills their core.

 

[kirblar]

Yeah, 11 deaths = 15 full deaths.

I think they need to make every 3rd Viking death cost you .5. It's the fairest way to nerf them.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I think they are just too good lategame. Did Olaf also get hit by the stun nerfs?

The downside used to be get ahead early or suffer lategame but that just isn't the case with play again.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Liquid put cris on Johanna and Athero on Azmo and were stomped by a semi amateur team.

 

[scoobs]

WHERE THE FUCK IS GUL'DAN

 

[Skab]

WHERE THE FUCK IS GUL'DAN

Medivh hasn't even been out for two weeks yet. Going to be at least one more.

 

[Milly79]

WHERE THE FUCK IS GUL'DAN

Confirmed not coming.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

BHB isn't a particularly bad map it just incentivises an uninteractive playstyle too much.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Ha the same semi amateur team took down fnatic.

 

[kirblar]

Fnatic/Team Liquid both just lost to no-namers in the semis of the 1st qualifier.

 

[Milly79]

Rekt

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Not completely no namers, just a bunch of free agents.

Mopsio, sphyxi have been on somewhat succesful teams before. Zylia is apparently known to the pros,...

The bottom of top 8 is constantly in flux in EU with teams shuffling around.

 

[Maledict]

I think I'm being dumb but where were Dig and MyIn for this qualifier?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

They were invited directly to valencia

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

misscliks are currently holding a charity stream, right now with mfpally.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Sonya on BOE is dumb. W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA dead Immortal

 

[Zackat]

Sonya on BOE is dumb. W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA dead Immortal

she so strong on all those PvE maps like that. My friend has a really high winrate on her due to that. People still don't expect the Sonya solo on a boss.

 

[kirblar]

Sonya on BOE is dumb. W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA W AA dead Immortal

I've lost 1 game in HL w/ Sonya on that map.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

she so strong on all those PvE maps like that. My friend has a really high winrate on her due to that. People still don't expect the Sonya solo on a boss.

you have to build differently to solo bosses though, it's BoE where a boss pretty much doesn't resist that makes it all the worse. Can build full teamfight and still wreck its face.

I've lost 1 game in HL w/ Sonya on that map.

Not surprised I'm pretty bad with Sonya but that match made me feel like a god on her.



Ad Medivh, the lvl 20 talent that kills minions instantly is hilariously dumb. Let me just clear all lanes for catapults to push. Oh you wanted to teamfight well too bad all your lanes are at your keeps.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

Matched up against Grandmaster TL team. They underestimated us and tried to cheese early game. punished them like crazy, built a big enough lead to where their strats wouldn't work, and won the game in 13 mins. Felt great.

Blizz matchmaking said "oh! ya'll beating GMs now? Here.. take some pros!" Matched up against two pros and their friends. Did well the first match and barely lost. Blizz matched us again two more times against them and we got roflstomped... Felt bad.

Our fault for letting sylv through on Infernal shrines

 

[Duress]

I kind of regret buying Xul. His lane presence isn't that great in my opinion, and his contribution to team fights seem insignificant, unless it's an auto attack team, or they're clustered together.

 

[kirblar]

I kind of regret buying Xul. His lane presence isn't that great in my opinion, and his contribution to team fights seem insignificant, unless it's an auto attack team, or they're clustered together.

In the maps where you cycle two lanes together his pressure is insane.

 

[DaMasta113]

Got around to trying Medivh. I own every specialist in the game except for him and I do really well with all specialists. That being said, Medivh should not have been classified as a specialist. He's a support hero. I don't know what they were thinking when they classified him as a specialist.

 

[Alur]

They were thinking they wanted people to possibly play him, but putting him as support in QM would've been auto-loss when faced against a real healer. Basically they did what they should have done with several other heroes long ago.

 

[kirblar]

Got around to trying Medivh. I own every specialist in the game except for him and I do really well with all specialists. That being said, Medivh should not have been classified as a specialist. He's a support hero. I don't know what they were thinking when they classified him as a specialist.

It's because of the stupid QM rule which they didn't just restrict to the 7 healers.

Rename Support Healer and move Ty/Tass to Spec, or introduce subclasses so you have Support-HEALER and Support-Offense Support-Utility and Support-Defense.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

How so? Roles have little meaning in drafts and in quickmatch classifying him as support would be problematic.

 

[kirblar]

How so? Roles have little meaning in drafts and in quickmatch classifying him as support would be problematic.

Support != Healer but Blizzard treating Support = Healer with the QM rules is a huge huge huge huge huge huge information problem among the rabble.

lol @ Evil Murkies mindfucking Team Liquid during the draft

 

[Alur]

Do you really think it would matter "among the rabble?" Doesn't matter what they classify them as, how many minute details they explain, the vast majority of players in this game (and in other games) just cannot be arsed to bother with anything beyond the surface level. There's a reason like 80%+ of the population is Gold and below, after all.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I'm basically not using portals as medivh yet he's still fairly powerful.
He can even somewhat tank shit in quickmatch.

Wasn't ever possible to draft him in unranked because I always end up sacrificing my preferred pick for a proper teamcomp. If people want to play whatever why aren't they playing quickmatch? Someone last picked Greymane when we had no support, I had switched to Anubarak before because we only had Artanis as a melee and were facing a Li Ming. People banning Tass, which could be fine, only so they can pick Nova...

 

[kirblar]

Do you really think it would matter "among the rabble?" Doesn't matter what they classify them as, how many minute details they explain, the vast majority of players in this game (and in other games) just cannot be arsed to bother with anything beyond the surface level. There's a reason like 80%+ of the population is Gold and below, after all.

It would. There are very easy ways to communicate who the 7 primary healers are. Blizzard hasn't done any of them. You just have to classify them in a way where Brexit Leave voters can understand.

 

[Alur]

You can't simultaneously consistently complain about the intelligence level and understanding of the player base like you normally do and then assert that changing a simple tag on a hero will make any noticeable difference. That makes no sense.

They are either low information voters (or in this case, drafters) or they aren't. Perhaps you could sway them in a draft if you could convince them to hover the hero themselves to see said title, but convincing a random pug in the short amount of time available in a draft lobby isn't very likely. Sometimes you convince randoms that they are doing the wrong thing and it doesn't devolve into BM and a bitchfest, but those times are rare.

I fail to see what real difference it would make when many people barely even read the skills and talents they have, let alone something more in depth. Most of those who would bother to notice likely already know or understand the difference anyway.

 

[kirblar]

You can't simultaneously consistently complain about the intelligence level and understanding of the player base like you normally do and then assert that changing a simple tag on a hero will make any noticeable difference. That makes no sense.

They are either low information voters (or in this case, drafters) or they aren't. Perhaps you could sway them in a draft if you could convince them to hover the hero themselves to see said title, but convincing a random pug in the short amount of time available in a draft lobby isn't very likely. Sometimes you convince randoms that they are doing the wrong thing and it doesn't devolve into BM and a bitchfest, but those times are rare.

I fail to see what real difference it would make when many people barely even read the skills and talents they have, let alone something more in depth. Most of those who would bother to notice likely already know or understand the difference anyway.

They are low information in that they believe Support = Healer. They believe this because of Blizzard's bad labeling.

Therefore, you have two options. You either make Support = Healer (possibly renaming it) and move Ty/Tass out, or you add subclasses that make it obvious.

Their labeling is creating this problem. Their labeling can fix it.

The current problem is that taking Tassadar fucks a sizable number of drafts becuase Blizzard has made a bunch of bad decisions.