Familienoberhauptvogel
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I was speaking release month of greymane not 3rd major patch greymane
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I dont recall how fast q build became the thing (i dont think it took too long) but there was def ppl positing things like melee being too squishy, saying he had no escape etc. I remember zuna was using the stealth talent at this point
I dunno if he needs nerfs (itd probably be to melee tho if he gets nerfed), but hes slowly eeking out kael as like premier dmg dealer
I dunno if he needs nerfs (itd probably be to melee tho if he gets nerfed), but hes slowly eeking out kael as like premier dmg dealer
TheSadRanger
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Chromie hard counters KT so much though, his big hitboxes and lack of mobility make him such an easy target.
Q build let you play GM with a lot less need for protection because it made his poke so good.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Nice words for their players ran away
I've really started to enjoy Sonya not sure what made her click, owned for a year now.
I've really started to enjoy Sonya not sure what made her click, owned for a year now.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Funny a heartstone pro player is streaming hots.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I lost all shame the moment I had to triple post because the thread was so dead.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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McIntyre posted another vlog talking about worlds and NVT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIb6hMsIzIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIb6hMsIzIE
Familienoberhauptvogel
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GFE and NVT were also straight invited to the first fall regional.
Neither can make any roster changes tho. If they do, an LCQ opens up.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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How does that work when neither has a full roster?
They're allowed 1 swap. Both have used it.
I think Mac is cursed.
BreezyLimbo
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Greymanes 3D model looks too close to uther
That is all
That is all
To be fair, you being alive and 8-0 doesn't necessarily mean you did good. Your team probably shouldn't have engaged though.
scoobs
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What's wrong with specialists? Quite a few are considered top tier heroes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Arthelon is gonna post an update tomorrow.
That he's never coming back right
Hahaha I was thinking this too when two players in HL highlighted them. Took me a second there.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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by adrd no less.
As if by magic, at the mention of Greymane I am summoned. Admittedly late, but who cares.
When he first came out he wasn't very good, and no-one really made much progress with him. Wolf form was very weak due to the vulnerability, and cocktail was...cocktail. He got buffed not that much later, and suddenly exploded in Europe and Korea. People figured out the best build with cocktails, and he became a really powerful ranged assassin with an execute. Cocktail allowed you some amazing poke damage, and then when necessary you could just delete someone. He was a superb ranged based assassin, and fitted in any team as a ranged assassin. This is when NA was going "huh? On the podcasts and describing him as a jack of all trades, whilst Europe was going ham on him because of his ability to do great ranged damage and delete people. NA hadn't figured out that whilst he is very vulnerable in wolf form, if you just go cocktails and only use wolf form when you can guarantee the kill he is an absolute monster and a very viable backline threat.
The nerfs to Greymane changed that - without the cocktail talents, he simply doesn't have the poke anymore. Without the poke, he couldn't fit into the standard range slot at all, so usage heavily dropped off to the point where he wasn't considered viable.
What Korea then figured out was that if you go all in on supporting him (Uther, Tyrael etc), his wolf form auto attack damage is so ridiculously high that he can carry a team regardless of his lack of defences. The changes to executioner pushed him over the edge - he hits for over 600 damage a swing, at 1.5 swings a second, which is easily the highest auto attack damage in the game. That's why he has come back so strong.
But it's a completely different way of playing him, and a different team build, than he had originally when I was raving about him. He's not a standard ranged assassin anymore, he *has* to be supported heavily to be effective. But Christ is he strong - I would not at all be surprised if they removed executioner from him or gave him a weaker version.
When he first came out he wasn't very good, and no-one really made much progress with him. Wolf form was very weak due to the vulnerability, and cocktail was...cocktail. He got buffed not that much later, and suddenly exploded in Europe and Korea. People figured out the best build with cocktails, and he became a really powerful ranged assassin with an execute. Cocktail allowed you some amazing poke damage, and then when necessary you could just delete someone. He was a superb ranged based assassin, and fitted in any team as a ranged assassin. This is when NA was going "huh? On the podcasts and describing him as a jack of all trades, whilst Europe was going ham on him because of his ability to do great ranged damage and delete people. NA hadn't figured out that whilst he is very vulnerable in wolf form, if you just go cocktails and only use wolf form when you can guarantee the kill he is an absolute monster and a very viable backline threat.
The nerfs to Greymane changed that - without the cocktail talents, he simply doesn't have the poke anymore. Without the poke, he couldn't fit into the standard range slot at all, so usage heavily dropped off to the point where he wasn't considered viable.
What Korea then figured out was that if you go all in on supporting him (Uther, Tyrael etc), his wolf form auto attack damage is so ridiculously high that he can carry a team regardless of his lack of defences. The changes to executioner pushed him over the edge - he hits for over 600 damage a swing, at 1.5 swings a second, which is easily the highest auto attack damage in the game. That's why he has come back so strong.
But it's a completely different way of playing him, and a different team build, than he had originally when I was raving about him. He's not a standard ranged assassin anymore, he *has* to be supported heavily to be effective. But Christ is he strong - I would not at all be surprised if they removed executioner from him or gave him a weaker version.
Well that's reduced the impact a bit - add was known as the mad scientist for a reason. If more usual drafters start picking him it will be more telling.
Shame I can't watch the game, would love to see how it plays out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I wonder what 20 he's going for, I always go for the waveclear to push all waves.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's also great for closing games by removing the waves when they spawn on the core, keeps the catapult pressure going. Too bad they already won and the 20 talents didn't matter.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Too bad it didn't work out for adrd's team. Sadly miscommunication cost them the series.
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