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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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Guess who's back.
is back.
Dig
You guys were talking about mYi being figured out earlier and I guess that's possible, but in general none of these teams stay on top for very long stretches...with the exception of Dig. Who once again win, though they too have had their hiccups. Tempo is probably the only other team that has held the top spot for near the amount of time Dig has and that was early days.
He definitely didn't look as happy as I'd expect someone to who had just won their first major tournament. Or at least I believe it's his first.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Hopefully not Dignitas looked hella strong and I don't think that was their ceiling.
I think the new meta will definitely hurt them though - JayPL effectively playing their main tank and Alex playing the bruiser carried them this tournament. Interesting how often they were going for that combo, and prioritising it above everything else except Kael / Falstead for Mene.
Were they the only team that even picked Arthas?
Were they the only team that even picked Arthas?
Good math write up on the HL changes - takeaway is that you simply can't rank/up down quickly enough in the current system. It's too much of a grind: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...e_of_reality_on_the_new_ranking_system_based/
Hes well designed but clearly just needs numbers tuning.
scoobs
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I don't know how I feel about a no-escape mage with no CC until his ult. Seems to me like the other mages have better kits, save Chromie (who is just an awful hero). Why would a team draft him over KT, Ming, Falstad?
That's part of his problem - he's not a Mage at all, and shouldn't be picked as one.
He's a 4th and 5th pick range bruiser - when you need sustained damage against someone like an Illidan, Sonya or someone else. He is utterly terrible in the standard Mage slot role, even worse than Chromie - yet people keep playing him in that role.
scoobs
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Problem is he has no escapes and is vulnerable to any stun to his drain life so.. he really can't do any sort of bruising at all. I think I'd compare him to Nazeebo, except worse than Nazeebo because Nazeebo is WAYsafer poke damage. This guy has to be medium to close range to get anything done. You really can't move forward in a team fight at all at risk of being instantly deleted. Muradin/Kerrigan/Grey/Sonya jumps on you and you are donezo. Drain life won't save you with all the stuns at the ready.
Idk, its early, maybe I'll find a build that works for him but for now he's just a super fun to play shitty hero, kinda like Medivh, and Chromie.
Having said all of this, I love playing him and am going for that master skin for sure.
I don't disagree he needs a number tune btw, just think that part of his problem is the role people expect him to play. Whenever I see him drafted in my games it's in the wrong position to do the wrong things.
(I also think the reduced healing talent is dreadful, because Gul'Dan is meant to face tank stuff and be up close taking damage. Because it doesn't make an immediate change people think it's free, but it's not).
Re stuns - there are other characters with that issue to be fair. Poor azmodan has a laser build which is entirely worthless if he gets stunned, and unlike Gul'Dan he has no other abilities to use if the laser is stunned.
(I also think the reduced healing talent is dreadful, because Gul'Dan is meant to face tank stuff and be up close taking damage. Because it doesn't make an immediate change people think it's free, but it's not).
Re stuns - there are other characters with that issue to be fair. Poor azmodan has a laser build which is entirely worthless if he gets stunned, and unlike Gul'Dan he has no other abilities to use if the laser is stunned.
scoobs
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"If you can just get to level 20, then she's great!" Is not a compliment to the hero. That's bad design. Shes a stinker. I love playing her too but if we're being honest, she's pretty crappy. I'm really disappointed in the quality of the last 3 heroes from a competitive sense, they're just not very good. I do think that this upcoming support Auriel is going to change that trend, she seems like first ban material from what the leaks are saying.
Also, back to Gul'Dan for a second... that level 20 teleport talent is absolutely hilarious. Had a zeratul hunting me for like 10 minutes at the end of the game and each time he jumped on me *poof* I'm gone!
I love the second or two the enemy player is clearly looking around like "what the fuck where'd he go? Did I kill him?"I think Chromie is the worse designed hero in a long, long time. I honestly don't know what they were thinking with her. Either she one shots people from afar, which is unbelievably unfun, or she gets dived and immediately dies. It's such a binary state. She's also so toxic in quick match its unbearable - if you don't have a healer and they have chromie, bye bye!
Weird fact from yesterday's dream hack - Tyrande and Zeratul were never banned or picked the entire tournament. Who would have predicted that!
Weird fact from yesterday's dream hack - Tyrande and Zeratul were never banned or picked the entire tournament. Who would have predicted that!
The "leak" was a fanmade version of her kit on Heroes Fire that got picked up by some website. It wasn't the legit skills, just some dude's guess based on the video and what little bit we could glean from the datamine. I posted it here in the thread thinking it was legit since it was on the front page of reddit, but later redacted after the reddit sleuths got ahold of it.
And I think Gul'dan is fine. He'll need a buff, but I don't find him to be a particular drag on a team the way Chromie/Greymane/Lunara/Rexxar were on their release. He can ramp up some damage at 16 and he has a good lane presence. He's not KT or current Greymane, but he's at least playable without feeling bad for your team like those heroes were when they launched.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Medivh has been picked in competitive I actually think they did a good job with him and chromie is the best hero they've made this year.
I don't think our opinions could be farther apart than on Chromie... ;-)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Matter of fact statement Chromie best waifu. Correctly predicting movement patterns is digital crack to me.
Also Cris, Jowe, Kha,dor and HasuObs ambiguously mentioned interesting times ahead, changes to comes. Whatever that means.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Kaeyoh and Dread playing together and it seems like Kaeyoh is actually a way better player
Dread was a shot called and was the one moved to the heal role, makes sense
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Finally watched the finale, grandiose play by Dignitas with the backdoor.
From what I've read on twitter Alex was distraught because he felt responsible for his bad play and shotcalling on their 2 losses
From what I've read on twitter Alex was distraught because he felt responsible for his bad play and shotcalling on their 2 losses
BreezyLimbo
Banned
body blocking has always been there, but now it seems that your character won't reroute if it's a friendly ally?
You can now "push" people, even enemies. Its not possible for Leoric to trap someone in his Entomb for example - you can push him out of the way. Similarly with terrain on Cursed Hollow and Garden of Terror. Also minions now slow you down when you move through them, as you push them out of the way.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Azmodan is life.
Team League
I play a few HL games with my friend every day then go back to street fighter. We finally won enough earlier so he leagued up. It's a damn crap shoot right now, you have to play a lot to get the mount rewards. I like playing the game plenty, just not for hours and hours when I play fucking brightwing and Johanna over and over.
Yeah it kind of seems like it. There's a ton of divisions and it is fucking hard to even go up one.
scoobs
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Problem is you lose too many points when you lose, and don't get enough when you win. Fix that and the system is fine. Its hard to imagine how they thought this was good.
I have such an unfun time in hero league that I basically just play unranked draft and occasionally QM. The game is not fun when everyone is yelling at each other.
She's pretty damn good. Nobody complains when you pick her in HL either, unless you got some dumb salty dude on your team.
In hero league her best build is the pure serpent build though which always amuses me. I pick her when I want the blinds as well but seems like she should just be grabbed as often as you can and specced for serpents.
HL prioritizes dueling and pickoffs due to the uncoordinated teams. It's why BW has always been good there, insta 2v1s are insane.
High HP per sec, Blind is strong, especially in small skirmishes, deals good damage.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I always get Water Serpent on lili
IIRC it has the higher winrate. Same "good in skirmish" rationale.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
SEE I FUCKING KNEW IT. FUCK EVERYONE WHO DOUBTS ME FOR PICKING IT.
Like that weirdo that got Maw for Zagara on Battlefield of Eternity. Its like they dont know how to splitpush.
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