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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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I really like that they're tuning Butcher towards being a lategame monster. We'll see if they actually succeeded, but the idea is a good one. I hope they continue to do more of this with other assassin heroes they eventually create to add more draft complexity and variety.
It adds some of the 'core/carry' flavor to the game without going overboard.
It adds some of the 'core/carry' flavor to the game without going overboard.
Yea, I wish they would do more to of that with other assassins.
I like the bribe changes too.
If they increase split push viability as well as buff late game on assassins and continue to add/rework supports with more utility based kits the game will definetly evolve quite a bit.
Also that Diablo change is pretty sick, much better then relentless.
I like the bribe changes too.
If they increase split push viability as well as buff late game on assassins and continue to add/rework supports with more utility based kits the game will definetly evolve quite a bit.
Also that Diablo change is pretty sick, much better then relentless.
Will pro teams swap out post-nerf Greymane for The Butcher post-rework?
Braxis Holdout looks and sounds awesome! The Zerg horde seems so pathetic though; they do piddly damage and were so squishy. At least the games that I played were still about 20 mins long.
I like the Valla rework and her new talents. I tried the multishot build for the wave clear on the new map. Building 10 stacks of hatred for the extra 50% damage slows it down considerably though. I also don't know what Blizzard's thinking by nerfing Strafe's damage. RoV is going to have an 80%+ pick rate easily.
Braxis Holdout looks and sounds awesome! The Zerg horde seems so pathetic though; they do piddly damage and were so squishy. At least the games that I played were still about 20 mins long.
I like the Valla rework and her new talents. I tried the multishot build for the wave clear on the new map. Building 10 stacks of hatred for the extra 50% damage slows it down considerably though. I also don't know what Blizzard's thinking by nerfing Strafe's damage. RoV is going to have an 80%+ pick rate easily.
First impressions:
Braxxis - not sure if I like it. Not a fan of Starcraft that much to begin with. Swarm seems okay. I watched a Butcher die to it. If it's fully powered it wrecks the core around 20m.
Valla - super fun and fresh. Mana still seems kind of an issue. I went full AA both games. They really went all-in on AA talents, but we all knew that.
Butcher - game went horribly, so I'm not sure where he's gonna fall. Didn't seem that much different outside of the reworked trait.
Alarak - think he's gonna be really fun once I get the hang of him. Once again a lopsided game. Went lighting build and it didn't seem that great.
Anyone care to describe how his telekinesis works?
Braxxis - not sure if I like it. Not a fan of Starcraft that much to begin with. Swarm seems okay. I watched a Butcher die to it. If it's fully powered it wrecks the core around 20m.
Valla - super fun and fresh. Mana still seems kind of an issue. I went full AA both games. They really went all-in on AA talents, but we all knew that.
Butcher - game went horribly, so I'm not sure where he's gonna fall. Didn't seem that much different outside of the reworked trait.
Alarak - think he's gonna be really fun once I get the hang of him. Once again a lopsided game. Went lighting build and it didn't seem that great.
Anyone care to describe how his telekinesis works?
scoobs
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you click and drag to move an enemy, or yourself in any direction. So the combo would be W your target close to you, Q them to do damage and silence, then E.
His E (the lightning ability) is basically just poke and easily the least important of the 3 abilities. I really don't see why you'd talent into it.
You're right. PTR is for tryhards only. Sorry, scoobs. I let you down.
scoobs
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I know, right? Ketch and his zany daily quests.
I have no idea what you mean by this, but alright, hope I helped
When you read his posts you gotta have the Chrome extension for Milly. It translates everything. Here's what I see in his post on my browser:
I thought Milly said something serious once but then it turned out it was just a guy named Billy.
I wonder how much of this change is aimed at reducing the number of players who play VS AI matches to clear their daily quests.
I also wonder how this change will be clearly communicated to players in-game. It took me a few passes to understand what the patch note meant, with no examples provided.
Why even have universe and role specific quests at all after this change? It's almost like they've turned 9 quests into "Play 3 games".
Sounds like a challenge.
Also weird change to daily quests.... I'm sure that won't confuse anyone.
Edit: and also another HILARIOUS solution to the roles issue without actually fixing the issue.
Well, in my group we end up doing a few quick matches most days just to clear out quests - even though none of us want to do a quick match. I'm guessing this change is aimed at players like us who would rather be drafting but feel obligated to do quick match just to finish a game.
I'm not so sure either. I didn't understand the new system upon first read myself, and if it's going to be that way...I guess they are thinking like what Maledict implied. It will push more people to draft mode and I guess potentially reduce their headache from the complaints about Quick Match.
I actually stopped playing for a few months after clearing out dailies for 14 months straight because my friends and I were ending up in vs. AI games for dailies far too frequently due to the wonky comps we had to use to complete what we were doing, and fighting against the AI is tedious.
I'm the type of player that's only going to play a round or two a day generally and then do something else so that was not a great experience as-is.
This also heavily incentivizes using draft mode while still trying to make people choose varied heroes in Quick Match.
I think going all in on butcher is easier to do in this state of hots than it was before. You still have to consider that hots is not a great game for heroes that activate late (that is, if butcher isnt doing work throughout the match ur not gonna have a good time). W/ things like auriel, uther, medivh or bw, and how they are kind of tuning him towards pseudo-tanky all-inning rather than bursty (he used to be built as a burst ganker w/ the empowered hit after q), hes not in a bad spot it seems to me. Not a safe or standard pick imo unless hes been heavily overtuned and there is a gotlike build where he doesnt die, but he should still be susceptible to what he was before (cc during brand, kiting, etc.)
Gmane was already falling off before this recent nerf, but i wouldnt really put them in the same category, gmane is way safer than butcher early-mid and is effectively a ranged character
Oh but one good point of comparison w/r/t gmane/butch is how fast they take down things like immortal or boss, butcher should really shred that shit now, he just has no invis escape like gmane
Also w/r/t late game in this game, i think the only real succesful hero that has captured that feel is azmo, who has wave clear baked into his kit. Other late game monstas usually fall a bit short (raynor is ludicrously strong late but contributes little throughout the game), or are good contributors throughout (sonya, illidonus, thrall, mages, and so on), but azmo is all hold up ima stall and get exponentially strong as the game goes on and you'll all be worried about it and feel the urgency. With butcher's new passive i think he can evoke that too, but his inability to clear well will factor in (i think he has a waveclear talent though? I dont remember what it is)
Familienoberhauptvogel
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We'll just see a shift with Gmayne where ranged carries will play him, like K1pro alreadgy has done on him would be my guess.
Q build seems to work decently for the pros in HL at least.
Q build seems to work decently for the pros in HL at least.
What gave you this impression? It's literally the post game screen from Overwatch in HOTS form.
Except that I still can't insta-quit like I can in OW... It seems to still be considered as part of the match post-victory/defeat.
That is interesting that they force you to stay. Then again, they force you to stay in Quick Match or else too and have no means to backfill, and they don't in Overwatch.
LOL can you imagine the hilarity if backfill existed in Heroes of the Storm? Your Gazlowe rages and quits and he gets replaced by a Sylvanas? THANKS BLIZZ. Then your Johanna disconnects and gets replaced by Rexxar. BLIZZ Y
LOL can you imagine the hilarity if backfill existed in Heroes of the Storm? Your Gazlowe rages and quits and he gets replaced by a Sylvanas? THANKS BLIZZ. Then your Johanna disconnects and gets replaced by Rexxar. BLIZZ Y
I must of skimmed over some reddit comments on people complaining that it's not "fair" being in a specific bracket when your contribution clearly shows you don't belong in a specific bracket. Hence, why a rumored MVP/Commendation system was in the works.
They want him out of the permanent Worgen builds. If this happens the changes were working.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
This is actually...a good change? I play mostly ranked, and daily quests are like, the last thing I look at when it comes to picking a champion, thus causing me to never complete quests.
Like just yesterday I knocked out a quick Sonya game AI game to clear a diablo-related quest because....it was almost midnight ._.
TheSadRanger
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I'm curious about that, I own Tyrande, Anub, Sonya, and Naz. But I don't own Thrall or Uther, so I should get Uther as a choice with Thrall right?
Correct. They're the backups.
TheSadRanger
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Well I was looking at the official blizz post and it says.
But what I don't know is, if you already Naz, will automatically go to Sonya?
I mean I get that if you own tyrande and anub you will get naz and sonya as replacements. I'm just curious if it will go down the list if you own the replacement ones.
Greymane, picked in 7/10 Korean Super League videos post patch, must be awful, right?
Clearly, he must be dumpster tier, right Mac? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doXVjL5TjrM
lol @ people's overreactions to him getting his burst tapered down.
Clearly, he must be dumpster tier, right Mac? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doXVjL5TjrM
lol @ people's overreactions to him getting his burst tapered down.
The NeoGAF channel is basically empty. There's still a goodly number who play that are from GAF, but everyone has their own circle they play with for the most part.
Good channels for groups: ARAM, amovetv, frogpants
I dunno where your MMR lies, but those channels skew towards the middle of the pack and lower in MMR. There's also the teamleague channel for finding teamleague groups.
I'm sure there are other bigger channels (like the reddit channel, for instance), but I either don't know of them or there was too much trolling to stay in them.
scoobs
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Is anyone trying his shitty ultimate? I'm assuming no, but i haven't had a chance to watch much.
Mac likes it if you're going for a primarily ranged build (aka you don't have reliable support in HL)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It turns you into human which means you get another jump too
Familienoberhauptvogel
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So today I thought I played with complete morons but it turns out they were just noobs and was placed with guys around 100 games played against a team with 400 to 1000 games played.
I am not joking when I say they stood next to the boss between 15 and 30 seconds doing nothing. I was top lane soaking because we were already behind in XP and looked at the map seeing their portraits by the boss. I was concerned until 4 of the opposing team decided to come top take out the fort that was almost destroyed alread but thought to myself at least we get boss. But no they were literally waiting for me to come there to start it and nothing.
I've never seen something like that before.
I am not joking when I say they stood next to the boss between 15 and 30 seconds doing nothing. I was top lane soaking because we were already behind in XP and looked at the map seeing their portraits by the boss. I was concerned until 4 of the opposing team decided to come top take out the fort that was almost destroyed alread but thought to myself at least we get boss. But no they were literally waiting for me to come there to start it and nothing.
I've never seen something like that before.
IIRC, you really need all 5 for the boss in LoL.
"McIntyre's Solo Queue Tier List" it says so right at the top of the video in big, bold letters.
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