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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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Man Denial is basically playing 4v5 with this comp. Glaurung can't do shit.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Gotta admire their persistence but god fucking damn it teams just stop throwing.
Dread getting the "must pretend everything is fine" shackles taken off has been amazing.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Feel he's about the same as some other casters, he's just more adept at the game to call them out on.
Finally now rid this momentum out to a reverse sweep.
Finally now rid this momentum out to a reverse sweep.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Sorry Udall
Familienoberhauptvogel
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MG excel at abusing maps moreso than anything and a literal zoning mosh ftw.
Denial is just too impatient.
Denial is just too impatient.
He is clearly the worst player on the team by a large margin.
Getting rid of Fan still makes no sense months later.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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The dream is dead.
They are the mYi of NA, in the way that people haven't caught up to their shit yet.
NA is in shambles.
They are the mYi of NA, in the way that people haven't caught up to their shit yet.
NA is in shambles.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Also your trophy game still sucks.
On a tangent where was Sonya? Haven't seen her picked all tourney.
I wasn't paying a lot of attention since I had a 2nd stream going but was this really just on glau. With the limited amount of matches I've seen he was on Tracer, Kerrigan, Zeratul and Illidan. The team seemd to have issues beyond Glau's pool.
On a tangent where was Sonya? Haven't seen her picked all tourney.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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EU got lucky and went through this shit spring and summer.
NA should ultimately end up stronger for it.
NA should ultimately end up stronger for it.
I know he's your boy, but if you had to blame it on one thing it's the simple fact that against the top teams he is effectively putting them in a 4v5 situation at least half the time. They either box him out of what he wants, or force him to pick something that they can counter. He's just a drag on the team. He forces them to do things they don't want or shouldn't do.
I mean, there are other issues. As Dread said, aPm showed a narrow pool and we know k1pro has one as well. Team needs to diversify as a whole. But Glaurung is not the right fit IMO.
EDIT: Wow, Fan on Hammer? And Glau on Mura. Sonya too for Udall.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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As much as Glau is my boy Mac is yours. Mac automatically is the right fit for you.
So our biases aside, yes Glau put them in a bad position during draft already but we also saw them throw away games due to impatience and lack of sync.
I'm not even saying Mac is the right fit. It doesn't have shit to do with that. His lack of diversity hurt them. His playing style hurt/hurts them.
Really anyone would probably be a better 5th for them who plays melee/flex. Even Equinox.
Agreed. It is weird to me. I mean if I have a good number of folks on my friend's list who can play 7-10 heroes at roughly the same level, you'd think these dudes could too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I agree with that, I wouldn't say it cost them the series though.
An issue is when there's conflicts within the team when they overlap and then it depends on the drafter.
If you say so.
Some of these dudes have barely shown 5 heroes at a high level in their whole career, though. They spot up a game or two on another hero (like Glau on Mura or Mac on Malf), but for the most part we're talking literally a handful or less of regular picks. There's no excuse for that IMO.
Some of these dudes have barely shown 5 heroes at a high level in their whole career, though. They spot up a game or two on another hero (like Glau on Mura or Mac on Malf), but for the most part we're talking literally a handful or less of regular picks. There's no excuse for that IMO.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Missed the game but from the replay it was a way different comp than what they tried against MG
Familienoberhauptvogel
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GFE got way less out of their turn in than you'd expect given their comp.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Fan not at Blizzcon would be so weird he's uncontested the best player NA by a sizable margin.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Arthas and Rexxar, where were these drafts against Murlocs
Following him from the maelstrom days and seeing him excel at so many heroes including the absolute sickest Abathur play ever I disagree.
Following him from the maelstrom days and seeing him excel at so many heroes including the absolute sickest Abathur play ever I disagree.
¯\_(ツ_/¯ what can i say ppl really like him
Who would you say is as good or better than Fan. Like honestly. You can't just throw that shit out there and not give some names.
The only one who has even remotely had the same level of success is Zuna, and part of that time he was with Fan himself.
as good: zuna, k1, idream, erho, jun, cattle, fury
i dont really think anyone stands out as the best mechanically, but in terms of overall contribution id say zuna and caff stand out
out of all the good players fan is the most loved for sure
fury and cattle are underrated in the public eye but prtty solidly rated within the scene, zuna is prtty solidly rated in the scene and amongst non-memers in the public eye, jun gettin some hype, erho is highly rated but ppl hate him, k1 and idream (well c9 in general) are all highly rated
actually c9 hardly got any flack when they went downhill, arth ate all the criticism
i think arth is really good too but I mean his name kinda angers some ppl
i dont really think anyone stands out as the best mechanically, but in terms of overall contribution id say zuna and caff stand out
out of all the good players fan is the most loved for sure
fury and cattle are underrated in the public eye but prtty solidly rated within the scene, zuna is prtty solidly rated in the scene and amongst non-memers in the public eye, jun gettin some hype, erho is highly rated but ppl hate him, k1 and idream (well c9 in general) are all highly rated
actually c9 hardly got any flack when they went downhill, arth ate all the criticism
i think arth is really good too but I mean his name kinda angers some ppl
How can Caff, k1, or iDream be considered when they weren't even the most notable on the team when he was the late entry to the team?
k1pro has basically no hero pool. iDream is highly diverse, but also prone to tilt just like Zuna and feed. He did it at the end of game 1 against GFE and nearly cost them a sure win, and was only bailed out by more idiocy from GFE. Caff is a tank and if we were going off of Blizzcon last year, sure, maybe. But since he's been middling and often times ends up stuck on 1 or 2 heroes for a whole tournament regardless of what's viable.
Fury? He's had two decent to good tournaments. Before that he was a fucking nomad. Same with Cattle.
Jun is interesting. I think he has more to do with Murlocs success that either of those two names above, but he's also only had two tournaments.
Zuna is on the level with Fan, no doubt, but he throws as much as he carries. The reason Fan is better than all of these names is he is the most consistent high level player...at least until this tournament.
k1pro has basically no hero pool. iDream is highly diverse, but also prone to tilt just like Zuna and feed. He did it at the end of game 1 against GFE and nearly cost them a sure win, and was only bailed out by more idiocy from GFE. Caff is a tank and if we were going off of Blizzcon last year, sure, maybe. But since he's been middling and often times ends up stuck on 1 or 2 heroes for a whole tournament regardless of what's viable.
Fury? He's had two decent to good tournaments. Before that he was a fucking nomad. Same with Cattle.
Jun is interesting. I think he has more to do with Murlocs success that either of those two names above, but he's also only had two tournaments.
Zuna is on the level with Fan, no doubt, but he throws as much as he carries. The reason Fan is better than all of these names is he is the most consistent high level player...at least until this tournament.
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