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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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scoobs
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That was nonsense, so fun though!
I'm excited to move on to the next announced hero, because I'm not sure how much longer I can listen to HOTS podcasters and streamers mispronounce Samuros name over and over. Listening to Into The Nexus and these guys have pronounced it differently each time they've said his name and none of them have been correct.
I'm excited to move on to the next announced hero, because I'm not sure how much longer I can listen to HOTS podcasters and streamers mispronounce Samuros name over and over. Listening to Into The Nexus and these guys have pronounced it differently each time they've said his name and none of them have been correct.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
i played like 50 of last week's brawl, and ducked out after 3 of this week's. i had no idea it was full games of towers. i figured it'd be some small arena or lower core health or something. funny thing is i have like 300 games with hammer. i love hammer. but it's the length that kills this one. last week's brawl was perfect for warming up or cooling down because of the round structure. this one is just.. yeah. it'd be fun with friends but when basic lack of game knowledge like soak/rotations/pushing are required for a brawl, it defeats the purpose of a brawl. not saying this week's brawl has to be played like a hardcore ranked game, but the game's can snowball quickly when people play it as a yolo free for all and then what's the point at all.
reddit seems to be on this wavelength too.
BriareosGAF
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Agreed, can choke down the lack of coordination/zaniness of last week's given its length, but so far this one just stretches...
Well your not knowing about this Brawl and setting your own expectations, like some on reddit, is on you. When Blizzard announced Brawl there were enough write-ups and videos showing this exact Brawl.
I disagree. The Punisher Arena brawl, although it was split into 2-3 rounds, took about 12-16 minutes to complete. Hammer Time takes about 14-20 minutes.
The players don't define the "purpose of a brawl", Blizzard does -- "Play on unique maps with surreal twists and with custom rulesets." Players are more than welcome to provide constructive criticism/feedback.
The point of Brawls is to have fun. If you don't find a particular Brawl fun, don't play it for a week. Like I said,
Yes, people are choosing not to play it after they get their 1K dailies because it is shit.
People are then vocalizing that it is shit. This seems to be a strong majority opinion
What I don't understanding is you getting upset at people calling shit what it is.
This has nothing to do with expectations and everything to do with people not finding it fun.
People are then vocalizing that it is shit. This seems to be a strong majority opinion
What I don't understanding is you getting upset at people calling shit what it is.
This has nothing to do with expectations and everything to do with people not finding it fun.
The two highest Brawl related threads on reddit in the past week are: Brawls are for fun with 746 points and Feedback: Brawls should never be full normal matches with 579 points
And you know what? There are a comparable number of people for and against Hammer Time and Brawls in general.
You would sympathize with "reddit" who share your preconceived notions because the vocal redditors are similarly wood tier (i.e. 1691-2163 mmr).
That being said, fuck you, kirblar. What a high quality and insightful
shit
People are allowed to say that they don't like things. Getting mad that people are saying they don't like things is completely bizarre.
There is no vocal faction "against brawls" that I've seen. People seemed to like the first week just fine (with the near-universal exception that they wanted healing wells indestructible.)
The first week's brawl was a fast-paced game with rounds that ended quickly win or lose.
This week's brawl is a full length game featuring 1 polarizing character. Many people are not finding it fun, and are vocalizing this. This is ok. This is what feedback is for !
I was not shitposting. It's also hilarious to bring up MMR when talking about a casual mode.
There is no vocal faction "against brawls" that I've seen. People seemed to like the first week just fine (with the near-universal exception that they wanted healing wells indestructible.)
The first week's brawl was a fast-paced game with rounds that ended quickly win or lose.
This week's brawl is a full length game featuring 1 polarizing character. Many people are not finding it fun, and are vocalizing this. This is ok. This is what feedback is for !
I was not shitposting. It's also hilarious to bring up MMR when talking about a casual mode.
What exactly are you trying to say here?
Having just had my first (and definitely my last) game of this weeks brawl, I can say without doubt this is the stupidest, most unfun experience I have had in heroes. Not only was it an utterly ridiculous stomp (like, 40-0), but the entire concept from start to finish is moronically fucking stupid.
It takes the entire point of a MOBA (many different heroes), strips it out and makes you play a character a lot of people don't even like playing normally. The theme is fucking stupid, and they should honestly be embarrassed they ever released this.
Fuck knows what upcoming brawls will be like if they thought this was a good idea to put out as the second.
It takes the entire point of a MOBA (many different heroes), strips it out and makes you play a character a lot of people don't even like playing normally. The theme is fucking stupid, and they should honestly be embarrassed they ever released this.
Fuck knows what upcoming brawls will be like if they thought this was a good idea to put out as the second.
That people in this thread spread their bias as "facts" and that they exhibit poor reading comprehension.
I provided examples of the two top reddit threads this week where there was no indication of this alleged majority opinion. All I get in return is a regurgitation that Hero Brawl/Hammer Time is - hmm, what's the one word out of the million in the English language that adequately describes everything perfectly...ah, yes - shit.
Then why bring up MMR?
Spit it out already. As much as I'd like to reach OT3, ain't nobody got time for passive aggressive posts.
This thread is great. Who cares if people think it's shit or think it's fun? What I want to know is: why do think it's shit or why do you think it's fun.
Let's actually discuss the mode instead of making blanket statements.
I played the last brawl, should I log in to play this one?
Let's actually discuss the mode instead of making blanket statements.
I played the last brawl, should I log in to play this one?
The two top threads are about the following subjects
"Brawls are for fun" - don't play brawls if they're not fun for you. (in response to the numerous complaints about this week's brawl)
"Feedback: brawls shouldn't be full length" - a complaint about the length of this weeks brawl
This week's brawl is not working for many people. A statement by someone is an opinion. A negative opinion that you disagree with is not a personal attack.
I thought it was fun, but I'm not sure how much play it will see from me outside the 3 required games.
It takes the bad of Hammer (slow) and makes it great with Z always being active. I think all my games went shorter than Arena.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Literally everything. Never before in HotS have I disliked every single moment and aspect of a match until now. To say what I dislike would merely be to describe each individual part of the experience and one-by-one say that I don't like them. It is amazingly, mindblowibgly terrible. It is, in a way, an amazing feat, how they managed to destroy everything good about their game in a mode like this. Had they attempted to do so on purpose, they would be confirmed geniuses of game design, knowing exactly how fun and the lack thereof is crafted.
I thought my short statement before was the better way to go, but since you asked, these are my honest thoughts. Now 1k good is a pretty good deal, but I'm legitimately weighing it as though they are paying me to put up with two more matches rather than a nice bonus on something with any shred of inherent enjoyment and I'm not sure if it is worth it. Maybe if I put on some of my fav jams and have my fav drink at my side.
To me, Brawl should be something a casual, not-serious mode, with fast gameplay where you can turn your brain off and play like an idiot if you want to because at the end of the day, the points and MMR don't matter.
Brawl 1 definitely hit that mark. Brawl 2 hasn't- if I wanted to play brain-off full games, I'd do QM, and I'm not looking forward to doing the second set of dailies on it.
Brawl 1 definitely hit that mark. Brawl 2 hasn't- if I wanted to play brain-off full games, I'd do QM, and I'm not looking forward to doing the second set of dailies on it.
I mean.... You just made a more elaborate blanket statement though.
Think about it as a thought exercise. Can you identify the things you don't like about it and explain why you don't like them without using the words "I don't like"?
Edit: sorry, this was a reply to dice's post.
Think about it as a thought exercise. Can you identify the things you don't like about it and explain why you don't like them without using the words "I don't like"?
Edit: sorry, this was a reply to dice's post.
The reason a bad/disliked brawl will quickly get you massive negative feedback is simple: they've deliberately made it the most efficient way to earn gold in-game to make sure there are enough players. People don't want to feel like they're working when playing a game. Well, unless they like making gold in WoW.
Brawl's meant as a user acquisition/retention tool- having enough players to get games firing fast at all times is paramount.
Like Kirblar said the problem is that they've attached a pretty substantial gold reward to it if you do play it 3 times, I think that's whats miffing people who don't like it. You "have" (massive quotations here) to play it to get that nice 1000 gold.
EDIT: Just played one, it was okay, a lot of back and forth, and a lot of scumbag keep sniping. I have a feeling I will hate it if anyone figures out the most "efficient" way to play it.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
No, because it is a matter of enjoyment, a matter of preference for an experience or not. To explain what I don't like would merely be to explain what is happening in the game. It is not as though this or that is not tuned right or has gone awry, but what it is is what I don't like.
Not everything always comes down to objective qualities or faults where you can describe what is mechanically wrong with them. Sometimes you just think it sucks and other people think it is fun, like different flavors you think taste good or bad, or things you find sexy or a turn off.
Okay, it's bad because:
1) Both games I've now played have been a stomp the likes of which is beyond misery and descends into some new depths of torture. One group goes as 5 and runs the fuck over the over the group that doesn't. There is very little room for individual skill, and sticking together as a group will win you the day.
2) You are forced to play this shitty hero that I wouldn't normally play ever. The entire point of MOBAs is to have a huge cast of diverse and interesting heroes. Making everyone play the same hero who plays in a really weird way that a lot of people can't stand is stupid. every match always being the same hero would be bad enough, but a specialist whom a lot of people don't like?
3) It's on the map that cannot end quickly, and where buildings coming back alive makes Hammers ability to seige out of range even more obnoxious than usual. I love Towers normally, but absolutely loathe how it interacts with an all hammer team.
3b) It goes on for too long.
4) Because every unit is hammer, and the engine can't handle that, you have no freaking idea which hammers AE circle is which. What fun, when the screen is covered with overlapping AE circles.
5) *This* is the mode that supposed to be fun for casual players, to draw them into the game and make them want to play more? ? ? One of my friends who doesn't play Hots anymore gave it a go, and I won't repeat what his opinion was. Why the hell would you ever want to introduce this to someone who doesn't play the game as a means of getting them to play?
I will again say - it takes one of *the* biggest points about playing a MOBA (the characters), and reduces it down to a really, really shitty version. No-one in their right mind would ever design a game that played like this, so why do Blizzard think it would be fun to have as a brawl is beyond me. I'm actually angry about how bad this is, and wonder WTF was going through their heads when they made this mode and tested it. They need to go back to the drawing board and think about what they are trying to do with Brawls and what the actual fun should be - and if they can't, then just put a damn ARAM map into the game in their place instead. Because locking 1000 gold and a portrait behind something this bad is not good for the game at all.
1) Both games I've now played have been a stomp the likes of which is beyond misery and descends into some new depths of torture. One group goes as 5 and runs the fuck over the over the group that doesn't. There is very little room for individual skill, and sticking together as a group will win you the day.
2) You are forced to play this shitty hero that I wouldn't normally play ever. The entire point of MOBAs is to have a huge cast of diverse and interesting heroes. Making everyone play the same hero who plays in a really weird way that a lot of people can't stand is stupid. every match always being the same hero would be bad enough, but a specialist whom a lot of people don't like?
3) It's on the map that cannot end quickly, and where buildings coming back alive makes Hammers ability to seige out of range even more obnoxious than usual. I love Towers normally, but absolutely loathe how it interacts with an all hammer team.
3b) It goes on for too long.
4) Because every unit is hammer, and the engine can't handle that, you have no freaking idea which hammers AE circle is which. What fun, when the screen is covered with overlapping AE circles.
5) *This* is the mode that supposed to be fun for casual players, to draw them into the game and make them want to play more? ? ? One of my friends who doesn't play Hots anymore gave it a go, and I won't repeat what his opinion was. Why the hell would you ever want to introduce this to someone who doesn't play the game as a means of getting them to play?
I will again say - it takes one of *the* biggest points about playing a MOBA (the characters), and reduces it down to a really, really shitty version. No-one in their right mind would ever design a game that played like this, so why do Blizzard think it would be fun to have as a brawl is beyond me. I'm actually angry about how bad this is, and wonder WTF was going through their heads when they made this mode and tested it. They need to go back to the drawing board and think about what they are trying to do with Brawls and what the actual fun should be - and if they can't, then just put a damn ARAM map into the game in their place instead. Because locking 1000 gold and a portrait behind something this bad is not good for the game at all.
Turdburger
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You have to win a game of the HS brawl to get the pack even if you hate the brawl. Sometimes that shit sucks. If they get rid of the reward, then people will bitch that there's no reward. People are never happy.
This weeks brawl isn't that fun for a lot of people. There are a lot of HS brawls that aren't that fun for a lot of people. Shit happens. The next one will probably be better. That's just how this game mode works. If people are mad that they must play 3 games of it to get 1000 gold, then how about they simply not fucking play it. Sheesh.
"But there's a reward so I have to play it!" is a response that indicates a problem with the player, not the game.
SargerusBR
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Game needs a female Protoss hero ASAP. Don't let me down Blizzcon
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Geezus, I feel like I teleported back to the lunch table at high school. I laid out exactly why I don't like the brawl and said why I won't play it for the rest of the week. Some how my opinion is "bias" and not based on "facts." I even explained I love playing as hammer and am basically a hammer main, but this mode doesn't help highlight the character and makes it more of a chore for people unfamiliar with her.
As for the reddit threads you linked, did you read the actual content or just the title? The post about being fun was made by someone like me, an older gamer who remembers playing stuff before achievements or carrots on a stick. I identify with that statement. That's why I played a fuck ton of last week's brawl without needing a reward. However, the responses to the general post do form a clear picture of what the majority think - they want rewards, and this week's brawl isn't fun. You posted the two threads with the most responses but some how ignored there are more than 3-4 threads at the same time on the front page alone about this week's brawl flaws/how to improve the brawl. It's been like that since it was released.
Either way, not sure why we can't discuss it without you having a temper tantrum lol.
what..problem? It's a f2p where the entire model is set up that your time = currency in the game unless you want to spend money. That's how these games are structured. As someone who has no need for gold, it's strange to me how people try to criticize players for wanting to get the content gated by the time requirement by..playing the content they're given.
It doesn't have to be objective qualities or mechanical faults. I was asking if your able to identify the things you don't like about it and describe why you don't like them. I like Maledict's post because he does a good job giving examples of what he thought was bad in the context of what he feels a brawl should be. But I don't like brian!'s post.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I only quoted your first post but in reality also responding to your second. You questioned our reading comprehension (personally, I don't have time to read or keep up with every single news release) and told us our opinions were just to spread our preconceived biases..even though we've all played the game/brawl and formed a simple opinion on it. I'm saying "our" here because I don't know if some posts are targeted towards specific posters or the group in general.
Point is, I think plenty of people here and on reddit have cleanly laid out why this week's brawl is not the best. There were plenty of people who didn't like last week's brawl either, but I don't think it's far-fetched to say this week's warrants more critique.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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They are doing a thh from Blizzcon again.
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I actually like the Brawl. While it felt like the Brawls would be shorter on average, Towers of Doom already tends to be a shorter map.
But I played this as a 5-man (so I'm a scumbag I guess), and Hammer is my favorite character with this Brawl highlighting every advantage she can get in a game from talent choices to target decisions to playmaking abilities.
Honestly, the issue for me is that I dislike Brawls in general. I wouldn't have played this week's Brawl without friends, and I skipped last week's Brawl because I'd rather play Overwatch. I like Heroes for the rules it has. Brawls break the rules, on purpose, and that just generally isn't fun for me unless you aim for something greater than a simple quick match. This week's Brawl is hitting that correct spot for me, albiet barely.
And considering you have a week to do it, if a Brawl lasts as long as a full game then just do one game a day if you want the gold/portrait that badly?
Well, these are my musings at least.
Which means god knows when he'll get around to finishing the podcast version that I listen to.
But I played this as a 5-man (so I'm a scumbag I guess), and Hammer is my favorite character with this Brawl highlighting every advantage she can get in a game from talent choices to target decisions to playmaking abilities.
Honestly, the issue for me is that I dislike Brawls in general. I wouldn't have played this week's Brawl without friends, and I skipped last week's Brawl because I'd rather play Overwatch. I like Heroes for the rules it has. Brawls break the rules, on purpose, and that just generally isn't fun for me unless you aim for something greater than a simple quick match. This week's Brawl is hitting that correct spot for me, albiet barely.
And considering you have a week to do it, if a Brawl lasts as long as a full game then just do one game a day if you want the gold/portrait that badly?
Well, these are my musings at least.
Which means god knows when he'll get around to finishing the podcast version that I listen to.
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