Yeah i agree, at least mc tries (usually fails tho lol) to explain his picks, but nah johanna has a higher winrate and is tanky!
To make myself more clear w/r/t muradin, i find that the explanations regarding his high pick rate even just from casters is valuable, they will describe the reasons his kit is good, they will talk about how tychus bumps up in pickability when hes picked, like those are all good things that are grounded with talk about hero kits. When you are talking about an environment that fails to use a hero's kit efficiently and try to cater discussion towards failed use i lose interest. Case in point varian dual wield build; it sure is effective when you are slamming ur face on the keyboard and running into his range and dueling him but outside of that particular instance (and getting camps i guess) how can we rationalize it? With the introduction of wrates into the conversation...it's like a conversation ender, there is no discussion, dual posts a high winrate and thus it's da best. Like to generalize, insight to me is hero related but pertinent hero league discussion focuses too much about the population using it and i dont care about those ppl, they have little to do with the existing game at a base level, we arent talking about the game as it exists at it's core.
Like if i hear a comparison of etc and muradin i wanna hear arguments w/ words like split pushing, atspd slow, durability, playmaking, early game, late game, but im tired of "yeah ive never seen a good muradin in my games" as an example of rational discussion, imo pro tier lists are more interested in aspects of the former even if i dont necesarily agree all the time, but i mean it is actual food for thought. I think winrates are useful for outliers, that's it
