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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

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You can no longer do dailies in AI mode???????????????????

Honestly, if that ever happens I'll probably quit HOTS. It'd make it impossible for me to clear my dailies in a reasonable amount of time, causing me to have to spend real money to get heroes I want, which I just don't feel like doing with this game (at least not with its current state).

Thankfully, it was just a troll thread.
 
I don't even understand why they gave Sylvanas Mind Control, it doesn't make sense but the fact it plays her song is cool.

She doesn't have a siege damage-centric ult now and she's a specialist. Why not have her call in some Plague bombardment--Forsaken siege engines or Forsaken batriders, that could create an DoT AoE for heroes and structures.
 

Concept17

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Honestly, if that ever happens I'll probably quit HOTS. It'd make it impossible for me to clear my dailies in a reasonable amount of time, causing me to have to spend real money to get heroes I want, which I just don't feel like doing with this game (at least not with its current state).

Thankfully, it was just a troll thread.

I wasn't aware people played AI games to do dailies. Sounds unbelievably boring.
 

brian!

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tychus basically feels exactly the same but squishier lol
definitely don't think he's a tank buster or anything like that
 

Alur

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Dehaka's ults are pretty underwhelming IMO. Really his whole kit is. Your only damage is W, you only use your E in emergencies, and Q has a very very short range.

His silence ult is basically Greymane's vulnerability snipe in size for a skill shot. It's a bit of a pain in the ass to hit on the correct target unless you are dead in front of them. Often someone else just walks in front of it accidentally.

The healing ult is amazing when it works, but it has to channel the full 5 (or is it 6?) seconds before you get the healing...meaning if you get 100-0'd before it pops, you're just dead. If you use your E to avoid damage = you wasted your ult and are probably dead anyway.

Despite all that shit, he's a hell of a playmaker. You can make huge fight changing plays, or eye-catching stuff with the drag and the like. Just not much in the way of anything else.
 

Alur

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I love playing him, but he's not very interactive at all. You either hit your Q or you basically clear waves and go ly down for a bit.

The ice block/E is an interesting mechanic potentially if you had healers but they don't exist on PTR. As it stands, the ice block for him functions just like ice block does at 3k MMR for Jaina. Most of the time it just delays the inevitable.

KT is still bad it seems. The Sylv ult makes plays as much as Dehaka but she's pretty meh otherwise (Dread says it can be cleansed which makes sense). Don't really see Gaz being any better in these games. Not sure how I feel on Tychus and Illidan is Illidan again it seems. If the player he is good, he's great. If they suck at him, you may as well have a bot of any other hero.
 

brian!

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i havent read gazlowe changes, in-game he also seemed pretty much the same
a lot of these changes seem like theyd create really cool comps, but the only ones we get to test out in ptr are 5 assassin comps lol
 

kirblar

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If you pick TLV/Syl/Xul in draft on Cursed Hollow, who are the best tank and support to back them up, do you think?

I love Syl/TLV megapush bullshit on that map, and Xul makes it double megapush bullshit.
 

Maledict

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I have to say, I don't get the new KT. He seems like his role is now to punish bad players who stack up, but other than that I can't imagine why you'd ever want him over Li-Ming. Shorter range, no escapes, less combo potential.

He just doesn't seem that great?
 

Milly79

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Why would you pick anyone over Li-Ming?

KT is rip. Li-Ming is just too OP with teleport and her flamethrower range.

Tychus is gonna be good I think. Illidan is back.

Gaz seemed the damn same and Syl is meh outside of that OP MC BS.
 

IcyEyes

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Yeah, I fear LiMing most of the time will be "blindly" banned ... This sucks for me, I love her gameplay and even without the upcoming ban, playing her is pretty hard if I'm not in the very first position.

Pretty funny because right now my most played heroes are Sylvanas, Jaina, LiMing ... Hard times for me with the ban system ...

Why would you pick anyone over Li-Ming?

KT is rip. Li-Ming is just too OP with teleport and her flamethrower range.

Tychus is gonna be good I think. Illidan is back.

Gaz seemed the damn same and Syl is meh outside of that OP MC BS.

She is not OP ... really.
 

Alur

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She is not OP ... really.

Didn't you claim she was dead after the first round of nerfs? And then the second?

And still she shits on everyone. Has the longest range in the game. The best mobility in the game. Extremely high burst damage. An ult that also has insane range...

...so who is better, exactly?
 

Alavard

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Didn't you claim she was dead after the first round of nerfs? And then the second?

And still she shits on everyone. Has the longest range in the game. The best mobility in the game. Extremely high burst damage. An ult that also has insane range...

...so who is better, exactly?

According to Hotslogs: Xul, TLV, Rehgar, Diablo, Thrall, Nazeebo, Johanna, Hammer, Zagara, and Murky.
 

Ketch

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yea she really is broken and will be first ban.

even after all these changes to assassins today she is still by far the best assassin in the game.


maybe it's because tychus was super shit before, but his changes are huge. he actually feels really fuckin good.
 

Zackat

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Laning against Li Ming is the worst. Her range is way too long and she can punish you so bad. She hurts way too much for her range, completely bogus.
 

IcyEyes

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Didn't you claim she was dead after the first round of nerfs? And then the second?

And still she shits on everyone. Has the longest range in the game. The best mobility in the game. Extremely high burst damage. An ult that also has insane range...

...so who is better, exactly?

When I play against Li Ming I didn't have hard times, but I can understand why some people are afraid of her, because they don't know how she "plays" and maybe Li Ming is just "awesome" against people with few matches.
I played a lot of matches against people with tons of matches and it's pretty clear they know how handle her.

Btw, I hated the first nerf, but after some matches I agree with the the nerf.


Laning against Li Ming is the worst. Her range is way too long and she can punish you so bad. She hurts way too much for her range, completely bogus.

The most basic and easy way to counter Li Ming in line is stay behind a minion or anything that stop her talents.
Her basic attack is pretty poor and slow, so you don't need to be afraid about that.
Also, both the missiles and orb are very slow and easy to dodge (of course it depends by the hero you are using!).

In line, against Jaina (for example) she didn't have any chances (when this happen to me, I simple change line...).
 

Alur

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According to Hotslogs: Xul, TLV, Rehgar, Diablo, Thrall, Nazeebo, Johanna, Hammer, Zagara, and Murky.

Once upon a time, Murky rode the top of hotdoggies for a few months. The winrate doesn't mean everything. You still wouldn't pick any of those damage dealing heroes over her at our level of play, and only potentially Xul or Thrall even approach her level contested-ness in competitive.

She's Nova 2.0 - 100->zero type heroes just aren't fun.

Agreed. And the fact that she literally just stands back and chunks down your team at will with no worry about her own safety post-OP Rehgar. She did it with him on the field, too, but he at least served as a deterrent.

yea she really is broken and will be first ban.

even after all these changes to assassins today she is still by far the best assassin in the game.

Yeah I don't see the pecking order changing. Maybe Illidan will enter the meta. Dunno how the Sylv thing will go. The ult is OP but no more cold embrace spam...but none of the changes displace Li-Ming.

When I play against Li Ming I didn't have hard times, but I can understand why some people are afraid of her, because they don't know how she "plays".
I played a lot of matches against people with tons of matches and it's pretty clear they know how handle her.
Li Ming is just "awesome" against people with few matches.

Btw, I hated the first nerf, but after some matches I agree with the the nerf.

This isn't a "learn to play" issue for those of us complaining. This is an across the board consensus on a hero. It just happens to be your favorite. We know how to handle her. Knowing and doing are two different things. That isn't the point. The point is she has the kit of several heroes baked into her one-single-kit. It's not balanced.

What MMR are you playing at that players magically know how to make all Li-Mings but yours look like trash?
 

Milly79

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When I play against Li Ming I didn't have hard times, but I can understand why some people are afraid of her, because they don't know how she "plays".
I played a lot of matches against people with tons of matches and it's pretty clear they know how handle her.
Li Ming is just "awesome" against people with few matches.

Btw, I hated the first nerf, but after some matches I agree with the the nerf.

Since you're implying we need to l2p...

Your mmr is???
 

Alur

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I haven't been impressed with the new Tychus either TBH. Still standing still pew pewing while everyone else does stuff.
 

brian!

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yeah, making his range still that, but taking away first aid + stoneskin, not feeling it
any warrior would just run him down or walk away

i went his quest talents so that might contribute to my thoughts
 

brian!

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thats what I mean, i don't want to auto warriors or they kill me
unless they are just looking the other way I guess
w/o first aid or stoneskin you cant survive a single etc q, diablo q, i dunno a whole bunch of stuff
only played against dehaka and he still just kidnaps me, I'm actually a great target for him unless I stutter and do my like 100 dmg auto
 

Alur

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Another thing that bothers me about Dehaka is that it feels like you should be able to combo Q + R and more easily combo Q + W but the skills are so fucking slow activating. It might just be me. All of his shit has like a delay before it goes off.

Dread is talking about it on stream too.
 

Milly79

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thats what I mean, i don't want to auto warriors or they kill me
unless they are just looking the other way I guess
w/o first aid or stoneskin you cant survive a single etc q, diablo q, i dunno a whole bunch of stuff
only played against dehaka and he still just kidnaps me

Nah I don't think so, but to each their own.
 
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