Yeah it seems so but also they could totally be passive-aggressive tweets lol, probably not tho
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Yeah it seems so but also they could totally be passive-aggressive tweets lol, probably not tho
Maybe
The pros are universally praising this patch on Twitter. I would assume if they were about to get fukt by it's implementation they'd be h8 tweeting.
LOL, same thing I texted Milly. Just when you think you're out...
The pros are universally praising this patch on Twitter. I would assume if they were about to get fukt by it's implementation they'd be h8 tweeting.
LOL, same thing I texted Milly. Just when you think you're out...
jaundicejuice
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Bolt had to go, it's stupid. It's a get out of jail free card. If it functioned more like Dota's Blink Dagger--you can't trigger it if you're being damaged, so it's more of an initiation than an escape tool--then Bolt would be fine. Instead it's a total shutdown of ults late-game. Leoric lands Entomb and to secure what could be a game winning gank and put the other team down a man? Nope, bolt out of trouble.
What worries me more is the loss of Flamethrower, KT loses late-game mobility, fine, but now can't build into nuking from a safe range. At least the new talents look interesting, they sound like they really up his risk/reward play. Master of Flames sounds kinda like launch Chain Bomb. Convection has been reworked from a lame damage bonus to enemies hit with Lapsed Gravity to an interesting take on Seasoned Marksman. Combine that with Burned Flesh and Sun King's Fury or Fury of the Sunwell and it looks like Flamestrike builds could be a thing. Even the new Lapsed Gravity talents sound interesting, dramatic CD's, increasing duration and making enemies vulnerable.
I don't get why they nerfed Sunfire Enchantment though, it's a barely picked talent as it is.
Also Li-Ming is going to get bodied with the nerf bat. She has to. But she's going to be a problem for a while longer.
What worries me more is the loss of Flamethrower, KT loses late-game mobility, fine, but now can't build into nuking from a safe range. At least the new talents look interesting, they sound like they really up his risk/reward play. Master of Flames sounds kinda like launch Chain Bomb. Convection has been reworked from a lame damage bonus to enemies hit with Lapsed Gravity to an interesting take on Seasoned Marksman. Combine that with Burned Flesh and Sun King's Fury or Fury of the Sunwell and it looks like Flamestrike builds could be a thing. Even the new Lapsed Gravity talents sound interesting, dramatic CD's, increasing duration and making enemies vulnerable.
I don't get why they nerfed Sunfire Enchantment though, it's a barely picked talent as it is.
Also Li-Ming is going to get bodied with the nerf bat. She has to. But she's going to be a problem for a while longer.
After one game on the PTR, I feel qualified to make some broad statements and assert them as fact.
Dehaka has huuuuggeee playmaking capability. Pretty good solo 1v1 hero. Lots of skillshots makes it rough with the Li-Ming/Illidan types. He's clunky as fuck to use, though. Feels like you're moving in molasses.
Illidan was fucking godlike based on the one game I played. The Illidan's on both teams were eating up everyone. Dunno how good he'll be overall, but he definitely seems more...deadly. And that vision on heroes 25% or less health with The Hunt is stupid funny and stupid stupid.
Sylvanas mind-control is pretty OP when used properly.
Dehaka has huuuuggeee playmaking capability. Pretty good solo 1v1 hero. Lots of skillshots makes it rough with the Li-Ming/Illidan types. He's clunky as fuck to use, though. Feels like you're moving in molasses.
Illidan was fucking godlike based on the one game I played. The Illidan's on both teams were eating up everyone. Dunno how good he'll be overall, but he definitely seems more...deadly. And that vision on heroes 25% or less health with The Hunt is stupid funny and stupid stupid.
Sylvanas mind-control is pretty OP when used properly.
What kind of range does she have on it? Like, how risky is it for her to pop it off during a team fight, given that she has to channel?
jaundicejuice
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Gazlowe looks great. Turrets cost a bit more but have the range increase baked in. Superior Schematics make the turrets cause more damage when Gazlowe is nearby, which will just make kiting people more fun. Robogoblin allows for manual targeting and those level 20 talents sound kinda ridiculous. Both sound like they could be evil. Raining Scrap could mean a small army of turrets or he could build a smaller Deth Lazer array. Sign me the fuck up.
I mean he's probably not going to be making any appearances in pro games and higher level play in Hero League, but he'll be a fun Quick Match All-Star.
Because then he would be Li-Ming. Also how would you move and aim at the same time? Pick a fixed target and pivot around them like Tychus?
I mean he's probably not going to be making any appearances in pro games and higher level play in Hero League, but he'll be a fun Quick Match All-Star.
Because then he would be Li-Ming. Also how would you move and aim at the same time? Pick a fixed target and pivot around them like Tychus?
It was hectic in the team fights I really couldn't tell you. I just know their Sylv used it on our Illidan twice after getting Hunted and survived both times.
Yeah it's been up for a bit.
Well, I'm sold. I will actually have to think about my ult choice now.
no, just push button to start charging. push the button again to release. and it shoots out in front of whatever direction you're facing. and if you get stunned or silenced or whatever it gets cancelled.
also, lol at gaz ever doing anything remotely even in the ball park of a li ming.
couple things about the patch,
KT's rework looks amazing... like multiple different ways you could go that all seem really good. I'm interested in trying a battle KT with the verdant spheres talents, cd reduction on living bomb, and arcane power at 20. I liked arcane power in the past, mostly because it gives you a bunch of mana, but it was never worth it over blink.
Occurs to me now that many pros don't actually care about the game, and are just concerned with making money. they should be stoked about the changes, not complaining about when they'll get implemented.
...you're shocked?
Undoc changes:
Nazeebo's Garg has increased attack damage, but no longer deals bonus damage to minions and structures.
Butcher's Lamb to Slaughter now has a 90 sec cooldown, but silences for 3 seconds.
Stitches vile gas trait damage increased. (Not sure about this, it used to be damage per second over three seconds, now it's just listed as damage over time -- but it appears to do an extra second's worth of damage.)
Nazeebo's Garg has increased attack damage, but no longer deals bonus damage to minions and structures.
Butcher's Lamb to Slaughter now has a 90 sec cooldown, but silences for 3 seconds.
Stitches vile gas trait damage increased. (Not sure about this, it used to be damage per second over three seconds, now it's just listed as damage over time -- but it appears to do an extra second's worth of damage.)
jaundicejuice
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If Gazlowe could charge Deth Lazer and be mobile at the same time he would be spamming it on buildings from the fog just like Li-Ming. Just wandering into range at max charge and cheesing structures.
While Gazlowe does need more than this to be viable in anything beyond Quick Match, mobile Death Lazor would just be adding to the game's current problems while they don't have some form of BD protection.
Goddamn, wasn't it the better alt now anyway?
jaundicejuice
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I can see why they removed Flamethrower because it's pretty easy to farm that new Convection damage bonus up.
jaundicejuice
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omg there's a damage report on death
Yep, next Tuesday will be official launch day according to reddit and the pros lol
Yeah, I'd say so. Furnace is only good if you can get it with a wombo, but it's so easy to get countered out of it. Lamb is gonna be better still, but that 30s CD increase is gonna be a buzzkill. Not sure why you needed to add a silence into it when they're rooted anyway.
As excited for this as I am the bans.
This patch looks amazing. Tychus and Illidan both sound OP to me.
I hope they give Nazeebo some love before too long.
Nah. Just disappointed.
KevMan1815
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Haven't played in three weeks and was thinking of jumping on tonight. Have never seen Xul in action and now updates inbound? So scared.
Is it an AoE Silence for anyone in the casting area or just the target that gets the chain? So if you don't get the level 20 talent to chain everyone would it just silence one person?
Butcher my favorite hero so that sounds potentially freakin sweet.
Never thought of the level 20 upgrade... That will be sick.
Feels like they wanted to up the CD (it's silly vs a hero like BW) and tacked on the ability to make up for it.
jaundicejuice
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I really like the Kael changes so far. Baking Chain Bomb in to Living Bomb but having it only affect heroes and not allowing the double cast keeps him as the anti-group/push assassin without having the ridiculous chain reactions it used to.
It feels like you have a lot of options now, and going all in on Flamestrike is actually fun.
It feels like you have a lot of options now, and going all in on Flamestrike is actually fun.
From reading the talent on the PTR it sounds like it will be everyone who is chained. That level 20 talent on butcher seems pretty strong now lol.
AoE root + 3 second silence on a poorly arranged team would be a deathblow.
I played him in one bot game. He plays pretty much the same, seems like his skill build has less but much better options. No first aid + stone skin but base hp buff means he's not reliant on CDs , but also can't tank up as much. It seems like a decent attempt at raising his skill cap but also making him more consistent.
Also Sylv MC is bonkers.
Sothis Krieg
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So how are the first feedback on Dehaka good warrior or booty ? I'm a warrior main and i want a new toy to play with !
Did you try the new Reflexive Block? Gaining 3 75% block charges on every dive is huge.
False alarm. Troll thread on reddit.
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