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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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BreezyLimbo
Banned
Is Kel'Thuzad disabled the first week for ranked? Or do you need to have him at a certain level?
I had to buy some gems to refresh my stimpack so I just said screw it and got KT before I even tried him or read his abilities, lol. He was one of my favorite WC3 characters after all.
My first match with him was depressing but after sitting in try mode, changing all his abilities to instant cast and practicing his moves I had a lot of fun. Pillar->chain->frost nova+ult->chain combo feels great to pull off and basically gibs people if I land a Death and Decay in there somewhere too. I didn't have issues with survivability except against Genji but we won that match anyways so fuck you, Genji.
But yeah that queue, holy shit. I eventually went on to play Cassia instead. Did they buff Cassia in the last couple months or am I just way better at this game now?
My first match with him was depressing but after sitting in try mode, changing all his abilities to instant cast and practicing his moves I had a lot of fun. Pillar->chain->frost nova+ult->chain combo feels great to pull off and basically gibs people if I land a Death and Decay in there somewhere too. I didn't have issues with survivability except against Genji but we won that match anyways so fuck you, Genji.
But yeah that queue, holy shit. I eventually went on to play Cassia instead. Did they buff Cassia in the last couple months or am I just way better at this game now?
Alpha Centauri
Member
no changes to cassia iirc. Glad you're having fun with KTZ, i still haven't bought him yet, he seems hella high-skill cap
BreezyLimbo
Banned
ic.
So what's the build for KT? I feel Death and Decay with Simalcrum is really good.
Yeah he's ridiculous. If you can time his shit down he's a terror, but he's reaaaallly hard to micro his skills. He's alotta fun, surprisingly enough. I didn't think I'd have fun playing the meta game of chaining people but here I am. But it's also anxiety inducing for me having to press so many buttons lol.
The "normal" build afaik is
1. Chain
4. Phylactery
7. Glacial spike
10. 15 cd nuke
13. Chain slow (id prob get stun on 2 lane maps)
16. Im not sure i think it's w right now
20. Situational
I think the q build is fine too, it does so much damage with the lvl 20 spirit thibg
I dunno, Heroes Hearth suggested the armor talent and I've seen Dunk taking it too. Just depends on the dive. It does seem very strong, but it's also very hard to stack post 16 unless you're either losing hard or winning hard anyway...it's kind of a one use thing. Personally I took to saving it for a later game rez if I didn't think I could stack it again to extend the value.
In coordinated play Frost Armor will often be better. In HL Phylactery is clearly better more often because you can't count on healz.
Best build is what Brian! listed but it's a very high difficulty build to play (you need to combo chains with the Glacial Spike).
The Q build is very easy to play and do well with. You can still practice your chain combos with this build but even if you miss it's whatever, you can zone out teams with the Q. It also does well on Battlefield of Eternity or boss killing maps because the target just sits there and takes the full Q damage.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I see, thanks.
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Promotionals are hard. Either my team sucks or we somehow get a win. I've been doing bad too soo
scoobs
Member
Idk, I feel like about half of the Novas I see are incredible (the other half total dumpster fires)
Share the wealth you fucker
But your tag m8
The gift that keeps giving.
Got some gems(?) from the level five reward and looking to pick up my first hero.
I think I want to go Support / Specialized / Assassin and was thinking about the following heroes:
Auriel
Sylvanas
Gul' Dan
and maybe Zagara, Li Li, or Chromie.
How beginner-friendly are they? Will they require long waiting times? Looking at that list are there any other heroes you would recommend?
I think I want to go Support / Specialized / Assassin and was thinking about the following heroes:
Auriel
Sylvanas
Gul' Dan
and maybe Zagara, Li Li, or Chromie.
How beginner-friendly are they? Will they require long waiting times? Looking at that list are there any other heroes you would recommend?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I gotta be all over this. I have luck when it comes to the cheap DLC giveaways. Already got kelthuzad though.
Karsticles
Member
I recommend playing them in Try mode for at least 20 minutes and then watching a little competitive play. My first gem purchase was on Gul'dan, and I've regretted it ever since. I don't find him fun to play at all.
scoobs
Member
If by Zulgana you mean Zagara, she's a really great hero to start with. Very powerful map control/push and decent team fighter. I wouldn't recommend guldan, he's not very exciting to play in my opinion, although strong. Look into Ragnaros and Nazeebo too.
Uh, yeah. Sorry! Zagara! ^^
I have Zeebo and he's pretty fun! His frog build just farms mobs all day and the zombie build is fun, though hard to land.
I tried Rag a bit in Try mode and he seemed fun too.
Is gold fairly easy to come by? I've only been playing vs. AI mode for a week and I'm at 2000 right now.
scoobs
Member
Gold is the most valuable form of currency, as such it's pretty hard to come by, particularly in AI games where they dish out less gold for playing. You'll get 50-75 gold per game if you win versus real people, and 500 gold for reaching certain level milestones per hero.
Alpha Centauri
Member
You'll also get quests that give gold such as "Play 3 warcraft heroes" "Play 8 games" etc. They range from 100-600 gold on completion
scoobs
Member
Super dumb dumb. I ended up with 30,000 XP on Warhead Junction
Holy fuck... lol.
I played a game of Kerrigan yesterday on Braxxis with the Queen of MEKA skin or whatever its named. God tier skin. I also realized how bad of a spot Kerrigan is in and that Malthael does it so much better (aside from the ganking). I had to play pretty passively and wait for them to make a mistake rather than being able to force my own engagements. I guess that's the line you gotta skirt with her anyway.
But god damn. She really does need some tuning too. Both her ults are petty booty. Mael does next to no damage and she gets little shielding from it. Compared to Tormented Souls which allows you to heal + being able to have a ton of mobility options.
I played a game of Kerrigan yesterday on Braxxis with the Queen of MEKA skin or whatever its named. God tier skin. I also realized how bad of a spot Kerrigan is in and that Malthael does it so much better (aside from the ganking). I had to play pretty passively and wait for them to make a mistake rather than being able to force my own engagements. I guess that's the line you gotta skirt with her anyway.
But god damn. She really does need some tuning too. Both her ults are petty booty. Mael does next to no damage and she gets little shielding from it. Compared to Tormented Souls which allows you to heal + being able to have a ton of mobility options.
Got on late last night, decided to do a daily quest (2 games). Got this Kerrigan on my team who was yolo HAM af. We were on BOE and they had way better race (Tyrande, Lunara, etc) and we just couldn't make headway but this Kerrigan gave no fucks about level difference or anything. Died 13 times.
Very next game I face the Kerrigan and he's on Nova. The first 7 levels dude was like a different person. He was 5/3/1 when level 8 rolled around and was just dropping deuces on us like crazy. I was like, "Damn, maybe it was just us who was bad." Nah. Nova finished the game with only 7 killing blows total and 9 deaths and they didn't even make it to 20 IIRC. Once we got 10 we just steamrolled them. It felt great.
Very next game I face the Kerrigan and he's on Nova. The first 7 levels dude was like a different person. He was 5/3/1 when level 8 rolled around and was just dropping deuces on us like crazy. I was like, "Damn, maybe it was just us who was bad." Nah. Nova finished the game with only 7 killing blows total and 9 deaths and they didn't even make it to 20 IIRC. Once we got 10 we just steamrolled them. It felt great.
Heard a prtty good idea to just call kelthuzad "lich" instead of kt
Some sel footage, there's dehaka/lich comboing but it's seen from the enemy perspective: http://www.twitch.tv/kure_hots/v/172899510?sr=a&t=7215s uhh ignore the timestamp, that's the game i was talking about tho
Some sel footage, there's dehaka/lich comboing but it's seen from the enemy perspective: http://www.twitch.tv/kure_hots/v/172899510?sr=a&t=7215s uhh ignore the timestamp, that's the game i was talking about tho
You probably still get W talent at 16. You get a lot more damage that way. The Q CDR is nice but you are spamming Q every 2 seconds by that point in the game anyway.
1, 7, and 16 I guess, yeah. EDIT: and yes that W talent at 16 is very strong if you are comboing AND can get the Q through with the combo...it really ramps.
The issue I found/find with Q build is that it can do a lot of damage, but the fact that the Q explodes on the first target hit means you can't really get the damage on the target you want a lot of the time so it's sort of empty calorie damage in a lot of scenarios. Dunk was talking briefly about the targeting issues with it on ITN this week too. Often to get the target you want you have to put yourself out of position, which is a very dangerous thing with KT.
Pre-release the implication from the various HOTS podcasts/personalities seemed to be that the Q build would be the "for dummies" version so everyone could play the hero, but it doesn't seem impactful enough to me playing with it or against it. If you can't combo it up it's not really gonna matter what you do at the end of the day. Q will give damage, but the kills stem from the combo.
The issue I found/find with Q build is that it can do a lot of damage, but the fact that the Q explodes on the first target hit means you can't really get the damage on the target you want a lot of the time so it's sort of empty calorie damage in a lot of scenarios. Dunk was talking briefly about the targeting issues with it on ITN this week too. Often to get the target you want you have to put yourself out of position, which is a very dangerous thing with KT.
Pre-release the implication from the various HOTS podcasts/personalities seemed to be that the Q build would be the "for dummies" version so everyone could play the hero, but it doesn't seem impactful enough to me playing with it or against it. If you can't combo it up it's not really gonna matter what you do at the end of the day. Q will give damage, but the kills stem from the combo.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
The CDR is definitely worth it imo. Off the top of my head the regular cooldown is 6 seconds. Then 4 seconds after 15 blight, and around 2 seconds once you get the CDR. The one time I went full Q build I didn't get to try the shade out, but even that seems worth it. If it doesn't die it will have 100% up time, although you can't move it either.