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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Split push can be way too effective at times and like you said Proto at diamond it's even overlooked. If it's Murky, dedicating a hero to babysitting him is 100% a loss for you if he continually pushes and never stops. Which happens all too often. With the other specs pushing it's not as bad but 9 times out of 10 one of the 3 in our main group is usually the ones to go babysit and it's often too late when we notice.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That just makes it sound like he thinks he knows better than everyone else.
Heh, when he talks about the game that's kind of the impression I get anyway.
Literally every top team thinks this. That's why they all draft differently. Every team thinks they know the meta more than everyone else, and drafts appropriately. Sometimes they are right, sometimes wrong. To be fair to Bakery, his track record is quite good compared to most!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm also clearly implying he's wrong. Teams think they have a grasp on the meta going in, then they meet the other teams in actual play and have to readjust and maybe even concede they got it wrong.
It feels pretty clear when you want to draft monk though, i dont think dig suffers too much in the games ive seen where they pick something else. Ofc it should be in their pool tho
I agree w/ male, teams should strive to focus on what they think is right and what gives scrim results
Monk has lowish value against the popular rag/varian stuff and high value if they draft rehgar/li ming, and is a great pick if you plan on making support bans/manipulation during the draft, in a meta where tass/malf exist tho he'll always be secondary. While hes great in the immortal phase on boe, you still lose out on cleanse and whatever the ward is called
I agree w/ male, teams should strive to focus on what they think is right and what gives scrim results
Monk has lowish value against the popular rag/varian stuff and high value if they draft rehgar/li ming, and is a great pick if you plan on making support bans/manipulation during the draft, in a meta where tass/malf exist tho he'll always be secondary. While hes great in the immortal phase on boe, you still lose out on cleanse and whatever the ward is called
Well that's fine, and how it should be. Thing is, you don't know what Bakery has in his pool. He has hardly ever played medic, yet he was forcing him in hero league a lot when I was watching him just to practise her. It could well be they don't draft monk right now not because of hero pool but because they prefer other options.
Let's not forget the number of times Dig has been the team shaping the meta - be it Tyrael in blizzcon 2015, or the two tank style they forced with AlextheproG to such success.
If they are wrong, and if Bakery can't play monk, then they will lose. I don't think that's going to be the reason they don't win though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The last time Bakery played Kharazim in competitive was in August. That's across multiple regions and half a dozen patches.
Wasn't it you Maledict that criticized Dig for prioritizing Malf so much in the early stages of the meta?
Wasn't it you Maledict that criticized Dig for prioritizing Malf so much in the early stages of the meta?
Two things about that, im not sure if my memory in entirely correct here tho:
Iirc, dig has admitted to aping korean picks w/o fully understanding them early in the season
Ive heard players on thh discuss malf as an early support pick that limits your own picks and the enemy's picks. I dont know why exactly; maybe becausr malf is so defining in the early game and tranq is useless without stuff like gust/vp, meaning youd be locked into some sort of zarya pick or picking good self-sustain? Dunno. But yeah the consensus was that you had to be prepared draft-wise if you are picking malf as a first pick.
Iirc, dig has admitted to aping korean picks w/o fully understanding them early in the season
Ive heard players on thh discuss malf as an early support pick that limits your own picks and the enemy's picks. I dont know why exactly; maybe becausr malf is so defining in the early game and tranq is useless without stuff like gust/vp, meaning youd be locked into some sort of zarya pick or picking good self-sustain? Dunno. But yeah the consensus was that you had to be prepared draft-wise if you are picking malf as a first pick.
Yes, that was me, and I still absolutely think they were. But that wasn't because Bakery can't play other heroes - they honestly felt he was OP and the best pick, and wanted him over everything else. It was versus Misfits where that pick meant Misfits got to go Ragnaros every time and smashed them with him.
Saying that - Malf being first picked has become a hell of a lot more common over the five weeks of HGC, with multiple teams in multiple regions doing it. So Dif may have been right all along and it was an execution thing more than anything that hurt them.
Id wager that they are self-conscious about how they tunnel certain styles/feel like their knowledge isn't broad enough to understand stuff they research from places like korea and that this is partially why they flew dunk in (besides it being good in general to have a coach and another set of intelligent eyes).
Like dont be surprised if they bust out lots of hammer during iem lol
Like dont be surprised if they bust out lots of hammer during iem lol
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Hammer was already in every game in the Dig vs Fnatic series.
How's Poland?
Do you think it's stukov?
he seems like such a b-list shit character. i hope it's something better.
scoobs
Member
He's definitely coming, infested Terran eggs don't exist in this game and they've shown up in two official images already.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Que times for HL are fking garbage these days
just got a HL game in with falstad going Q build with Hinterland, did 90k dmg with 9 kills/zero deaths. Feelsfalstadman
just got a HL game in with falstad going Q build with Hinterland, did 90k dmg with 9 kills/zero deaths. Feelsfalstadman
They did make a siege tank and medic work so I don't think Stukov is such a stretch.
Rexxar is disgustingly good right now.
He was good before, and then they made him better.
I think my final review of his rework is that it made him a lot more powerful, but has most likely resulted in some must pick talents. Wave clear on Q and the battle momentum on the stun are actually pretty fuckin broken. They are the kind of talents that get removed from other heroes, and will probably be first to go if Rexxar actually takes off in popularity.
He was good before, and then they made him better.
I think my final review of his rework is that it made him a lot more powerful, but has most likely resulted in some must pick talents. Wave clear on Q and the battle momentum on the stun are actually pretty fuckin broken. They are the kind of talents that get removed from other heroes, and will probably be first to go if Rexxar actually takes off in popularity.
TheSadRanger
Banned
I love the new hinterland blast in low level HL games. Don't get me wrong gust is great but it's not very effective in silver hell lol.
With magestad and hinterland I can at least carry because I'll do a crap ton of dmg, rarely die because of his mobility and soak effectively if my team is doing dumb shit like leaving lanes empty.
I can play a few if you are still around.
Definitely more than a reveal of 1 hero. Probably the progression system revamp and possibly 2 heroes.
thekillermuffin
Member
20 mins is way too much for just one hero. HYPE.
https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/837362177942003712
SC (Protoss?) hero announcement incoming. (This is similar to the tease they did for Auriel)
SC (Protoss?) hero announcement incoming. (This is similar to the tease they did for Auriel)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I immediately thought so too. Looks great as well.
Definitely a Protoss effect.
Could be any of the following:
- Fenix
- Talandar
- Vorazun
- Selendis
- Rohana
- Karax
- Talis
- Ma'lash
I think it will be either Fenix (most likely), Karax, or Rohana. Talandar doesn't make any sense unless we already have Fenix first, and Vorazun/Selendis have silhouettes very similar to existing Protoss Heroes. And Talis and Ma'lash are too minor of characters.
i only know fenix
there was also an angry protoss in sc1 but i forgot his name
oh yeah aldaris
oh raszagal would be sick too, leader of dark templar
Aldaris is unlikely since he's just a fairly generic Templar, with nothing special about him. Raszagal is notable as the first female Protoss unit we got to see, but otherwise, she's a generic Dark Templar. Plus, we don't exactly need another stealthie right now (which also makes Vorazun that I mentioned earlier unlikely as she's a Dark Templar too).
Edit - Hang on... 'Spin up your warp drives'... Selendis piloted a Protoss Carrier at one point I think in the campaigns.
But the 'thing' warping in looks like a pylon, which would probably mean it's Karax.
Ok, my official prediction is Karax.
He's the first Protoss we've met from the Khalai caste. They're the engineers and technologists of the Protoss.
I'm not against a Protoss generic, but if we got one, it would probably be for a good reason. In the case of Morales, there was no Medic hero in SC to draw from. For Sgt Hammer, the character started off as either Edmund Duke or General Warfield (I forget which) and they changed it to have another female character. If we do get a generic Protoss unit, it would probably be for something like a Reaver, or Colossus, which didn't have hero units representing them.