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Hey Gaf, is Disney bad at handling Star Wars?

Madflavor

Member
Well? What do you think? Because Hollywood Reporter wants to ask.


I mean you're excited for the Rey Movie yeah?



EDIT 10/25/24
The Rey Movie just lost it's screen writer Steven Knight.
 
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daffyduck

Member
Jamie Lee Curtis GIF by IMDb
 

Drake

Member
Star Wars is dead. I'm pretty sure Disney could have put me in charge of the IP instead of Kathleen Kennedy and I would have done a better job. I would have hired writers who actually liked the franchise and just sit back and let the money roll in. Instead we get the garbage they've tried to feed us over the last 10 years.
 

Madflavor

Member
No it's not, don't be ridiculous

It ain’t dead, but they’ve damaged it to the point where the brand name isn’t carrying the franchise anymore. We’ve crossed the threshold where apathy has set in. Acolyte and Outlaws bombing as badly as they did, has probably got them worried.
 

Toons

Member
They're fine.

They've put out some solid stuff in various forms of media. Thereve been some missteps and duds but those have always been present in star wars.

The folks working headlining it now are the biggest SW fans in the world and I trust them much more than anyone on the internet.
 

Thaedolus

Member
The problem is the original trilogy established this tradition of subverting expectation and retconning that we accepted because it still worked…yeah, Vader wasn’t originally meant to be Anakin but they acknowledged the discrepancy in RotJ…yeah Leia wasn’t originally Luke’s twin but it’s not like they were fuckin, he got one kiss.

Now the entire franchise seems to be built around “unlearn what you have learned!” which just makes for shitty story telling. Part of the experience is the viewer understanding the stakes to build tension and drama around the rules of the universe; but when you just constantly decide to break those rules with twists that just exist for the sake of themselves, it’s unsatisfying. It feels like deus ex machina and lazy writing. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
 

thefool

Member
Are they bad? Yes, obviously, there is no talent employed by disney. But the issue is much deeper, they want to use one of the most popular franchises to push forward radical ideologies.
 

Braag

Member
If by mishandling you mean milking it dry, then squatting down on its barely alive corpse and taking a dump on it, then yes.
 

Gp1

Member
Let me ask another question.

Does the Hollywood Reporter really need a 10-page analysis to attest something that every basement nerd has known since Ep. 8?

Are theses guys (aka. the entire industry) so disconnected from their reality?
 
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kruis

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There's only one answer to the question "Is Disney mishandling Star Wars" which doesn't make for an interesting discussion. There's a Variety article published at the same day that's more interesting:


Toxic Fandom: How Hollywood Is Battling Fans Who Are ‘Just Out for Blood’ — From Social Media Boot Camps to Superfan Focus Groups​

Toxic Fandom


On Aug. 28, Amandla Stenberg, the lead of the “Star Wars” series “The Acolyte,” posted an eight-and-a-half-minute video to her Instagram Stories about Lucasfilm’s abrupt decision not to pick up the show for a second season just a month after the Season 1 finale streamed on Disney+.
“It’s not a huge shock for me,” Stenberg said. Since the series was announced in 2020, she continued, “we started experiencing a rampage of, I would say, hyper-conservative bigotry and vitriol, prejudice, hatred and hateful language towards us.” (Stenberg was unavailable to comment for this story.)
In other words, “The Acolyte” was the latest high-profile target of “toxic fandom,” the catchall term for when fan criticism curdles from good-faith dissatisfaction into a relentlessly negative, often bigoted online campaign against either the project or its stars or creative leaders. In a franchise economy increasingly dependent upon established audience devotion to drive the bottom line, the threat of toxic fandoms poisoning that enthusiasm has become a seemingly intractable headache for almost every studio. And it’s only getting worse.
“It comes with the territory, but it’s gotten incredibly loud in the last couple years,” says a veteran marketing executive at a major studio. “People are just out for blood, regardless. They think the purity of the first version will never be replaced, or you’ve done something to upset the canon of a beloved franchise, and they’re going to take you down for doing so.”
Sometimes, toxic fandoms behave reactively. A “House of the Dragon” episode featuring two female characters kissing and an episode of “The Last of Us” focusing on a gay couple were both review bombed — the practice of mobbing sites like Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb with negative user reviews, which gained mainstream attention following the premiere of 2017’s “Star Wars: The Last Jedi.” And an entire YouTube ecosystem is devoted to declaring projects like “The Marvels” and “The Boys” “woke garbage” (among other pungent sobriquets).
Just as frequently, the backlash begins before the project has seen the light of day: a Reddit mega-thread dedicated to outrage over “Bridgerton” casting a Black woman (Masali Baduza) as the love interest for Francesca (Hannah Dodd); social media epithets directed at the actors of color cast as elves and dwarves in “The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power”; death threats aimed at Leslie Jones during the press tour for 2016’s “Ghostbusters.”
Perhaps the greatest irony of this phenomenon is the disproportionate impact these toxic fandoms have relative to their actual number.
“The vast majority of any fandom are casual fans,” says John Van Citters, VP of Star Trek brand development, who has been with the storied franchise since the 1990s. “The number of people who live and die on their franchises are very, very few, and then those who come after things that they espouse to love with venom are a really, really tiny subset of that already smaller subset of fandom. It’s just much easier to see it now. I don’t know that it’s really that much broader than where things were in 1995 — it’s just that the bullhorn wasn’t there.”
For some, combating that bullhorn amounts to acting as if they can’t hear it. “Particularly when it’s a negative, toxic conversation, we don’t even engage,” says a TV marketing executive. “Like with toxic people, you try to not give it too much oxygen.” One principal concern is that reacting to these kinds of attacks risks alienating fans who are unhappy with creative choices about a franchise but haven’t tipped over into abusive behavior. So a studio may attempt to amplify friendlier voices instead. “We’ll reply to comments that are positive and elevate those things,” says the TV exec.
Still, toxic fandoms have grown so pernicious that they’ve become a fact of life for many — and so powerful that while talent, executives and publicists will privately bemoan the issue, fear of inadvertently triggering another backlash kept several studios from speaking for this story even on background. (As one rep put it, “It’s just a lose-lose.”)
Those who did talk with Variety all agreed that the best defense is to avoid provoking fandoms in the first place. In addition to standard focus group testing, studios will assemble a specialized cluster of superfans to assess possible marketing materials for a major franchise project.
“They’re very vocal,” says the studio exec. “They will just tell us, ‘If you do that, fans are going to retaliate.’” These groups have even led studios to alter the projects: “If it’s early enough and the movie isn’t finished yet, we can make those kinds of changes.”
Several studio insiders say they often put their talent through a social media boot camp; in some cases, when a character is intentionally challenging a franchise’s status quo, studios will, with the actor’s permission, take over their social media accounts entirely. When things get really bad — especially involving threats of violence — security firms will scrub talent information from the internet to protect them from doxxing.
In some particularly egregious cases, a direct response has been necessary. In 2022, after “Obi-Wan Kenobi” actor Moses Ingram denounced the “hundreds” of racist messages sent to her about her role — “There’s nothing anybody can do about this. There’s nothing anybody can do to stop this hate,” she said — Lucasfilm posted a statement to its Star Wars social media accounts that read, in part, “There are more than 20 million sentient species in the Star Wars galaxy, don’t choose to be a racist.” The Star Wars accounts also shared a video of “Obi-Wan” star Ewan McGregor saying the abuse made him “sick to my stomach” and that “if you’re sending her bullying messages, you’re no ‘Star Wars’ fan in my mind.”
Later that year, the cast of “The Rings of Power” condemned “the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily basis,” and actors from the “Lord of the Rings” film trilogy posted photos of themselves wearing clothing featuring the ears of Middle-earth creatures in multiple skin tones underneath the message “you are all welcome here” written in Elvish. Those efforts may have had an effect. In an August interview with Amazon MGM Studios TV chief Vernon Sanders about “The Rings of Power,” the executive said the show hadn’t experienced the same racist hostility in advance of Season 2 that had greeted its 2022 debut. “People have had a chance to actually engage with the show,” he said. “Overwhelmingly, what we’ve seen is that folks who came with an open mind can discuss and debate their favorite things — which takes you out of the place of that ugly conversation that happened with some folks who may have been infused with an agenda that’s separate from the show itself.”
There is one other way to handle toxic fans on the internet: Stay off it. “I’m not online, so I’m protected,” says frequent Marvel star Elizabeth Olsen (“WandaVision”). “Generally, it’s a lot of positive experiences of making kids happy. I ignore the other stuff.”

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The strangest thing about that article is that the problem ALWAYS lies with the "toxic" fans and never with the creators who serve those fans with subpar shows with bad writing and terrible creative decisions. If Hollywood doesn't understand that the poor quality of their products are the real problem, nothing's going to change. We wouldn't have been constantly joking about lesbian space witches if The Acolyte had been a bonafide good show just like Andor.
 

BlackTron

Gold Member
You know that thread I made that got locked today?

Well, that's pretty much where Disney Star Wars is at but possibly even worse.

Look Star Wars is bad but do you really think they're so low that they're stacking bad decisions and bleeding money while simping for fake friend tra--you know what, nevermind.
 
Watching Disney take control over Star Wars is like watching a dude piss into a strong wind and wonder why he’s all wet… But seriously, they’ve only made a handful of moments worth remembering or worthy of adding to the lore.
 

clarky

Gold Member
Since when? The third season was a bit lackluster, but the first two seasons are the best thing to happen in Star Wars since....Rogue One I guess.
I just didn't like it. First season was ok.

For me personally, Andor is the only half decent thing they have done on TV. Rogue One is the only decent movie. Everything else ranges from passable to down right awful.

7,8 and especially 9 are a fucking travesty.
 
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Rival

Gold Member
They are wildly inconsistent in the quality of their shows and movies. They aren’t always bad but when they are bad they are terrible. And I feel like a lot of the Disney+ Series tend to drag on way too much. I do love The Bad Batch though.
 

Hrk69

Gold Member
It ain’t dead, but they’ve damaged it to the point where the brand name isn’t carrying the franchise anymore. We’ve crossed the threshold where apathy has set in. Acolyte and Outlaws bombing as badly as they did, has probably got them worried.
I can fully agree with that
 

edbrat

Member
Unless you're gen X or older, it's difficult to appreciate how big a thing the original trilogy was, it was everything. Kids and adults went batshit when the Empire Strikes Back hit the cinemas, the toys were a global phenomenon. Star Wars was a huge part of entire childhoods, very little came close. Given the heights of the early movies the later work is disappointment after disappointment. It was inconceivable to me that I would ever get to the point where I didn't give a shit about a mainline Star Wars release. Yet here we are.
 

StueyDuck

Member
to be fair, Lucas was shit at handling star wars too.

but Disney is extra shit.

now this is gonna rustle some jimmies for sure but I'm gonna make the take anyway... The IP has been handled so poorly by everyone that it never really developed an Identity or meaning. It was just the toy factory and the magic swords.

you can point to any other massive IP that has happened since and you can at least understand what it's trying to achieve, even something like the Matrix trilogy (quadrilogy if you hate yourself), while most of the movies are pretty terrible, they have a very distinct and unique flavour.

Star Wars has become a mile wide and an inch deep. And I know someone gonna go "Well akshually, issue 90 of the Graudarr comic where Shongo the Brungi knight shoves a pineapple up his bum that was removed from canon showed some mild importance". My response to that would be that it's exactly what I mean by the franchise has no identity/soul/meaning and is the issue with the IP and franchise as a whole, you have to go to some random obscure corner of the fandom to find something of value and meaning. Watching Lizzo and jack black make funnies while a female Mandalorian tries to find the other Mandalorian on a generic future planet is just a nothing addition to an already nothing universe.

again I know this is gonna bring a lot of heat. I just don't see what is meant to make Obi-wan interesting, or the Acolyte, or Star Wars outlaws etc, it's all just "Member lightsabers, member tie fighters, member desert planet".
 
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