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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Mana just has a mild case of cognitive dissonance now. He wants to generally dislike Playstation, like he did for the past few years, but his mind is struggling with that now knowing that he will be able to watch one of his all time favorites (PotC2) on it onlyZaptruder said:
more likely, he's just annoyed at constant HDDVD teasing/bashing in this thread, and I can understand that somewhat
Marconelly said:Mana just has a mild case of cognitive dissonance now. He wants to generally dislike Playstation, like he did for the past few years, but his mind is struggling with that now knowing that he will be able to watch one of his all time favorites (PotC2) on it only
more likely, he's just annoyed at constant HDDVD teasing/bashing in this thread, and I can understand that somewhat
What's there to be upset about?
Just stop supporting it.
Whatever merits HD-DVD might have, it doesn't outweigh the benefits of a unified HD format.
And more specifically, not having to pay for an extra HD player for most of us gamers (that pick up the PS3).
Once HD-DVD is dead in the water, the industry becomes a lot more confident with its HD message, and it's all milk and honey for HD.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Zaptruder said:
Why because I'm not drooling over ****ing Eragon? What the **** dude?
Again, of the three Rocky is worth buying.
Night at the Museum is probably worth a rent if you didn't see it in theaters.
And Eragon is just shit. Just because a movie is on Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD) doesn't make it worth hyping.
Marconelly said:
It's seriously on the verge of blantant viral marketing at this stage and it's ****ing annoying.
By the same token, how could anyone get excited by the likes of Dude, Where's My Car? or Turistas that was on the original schedule? The new release lineup is a push in this regard, Mana, they're just shifting their resources to day and date releases for the time being. Makes sense, no?ManaByte said:
Mana has an HD-DVD player. It works. And as long as it continues to work, there's no reason why he has to stop buying movies for it. Whatever happens with the HD movie race doesn't change that and there's no reason to be antagonistic towards him for it. If he slants the news he post about these formats, just call him on it and stop making these proclamations about what he "deserves".Zaptruder said:
ManaByte said:
No; the question remains the same; why go through so much effort to champion HD-DVD and put down BD constantly?
I don't see you putting down HD-DVD, and I don't see you glowing about BD, despite your assertions that you're neutral (you're not).
So... all that energy working towards championing HD-DVD... you deserve it; you deserve it, if it fails, if it stagnates, or if it manages to beat out BD and becomes *the* HD media format.
Whatever the case is; you don't deserve a unified format under BD, as again; you're working actively against it.
I mean; perfectly fine if you would actually be balanced and neutral... but it's utterly clear to everyone that you are a shill for HD-DVD, as I am for BD. Well, I'm really a shill for personal advantage in the form of not having to pay out for an additional HD player, but hey, I'm a selfish bastard like that.
You can't really take the same moral ground as me either; you can't say because you have both players you'd want both to succeed; it would still be more advantageous for you to have a unified format, where all the media is released to; there's less logistical problem involved in a single HD format compared to two. When you look for stand alone players, you won't be restricted to HD/BD combo players; the market will be a single format. It's just convenient for *everyone* except for HD-DVD patent holders to have a single unified format.
And shit; if it happens to be HD-DVD by some weird wacky twist of fate, then fine, whatever; as long as it happens, I'm all for it.
I mean, what it really boils down to is, why do you take the stance you do?
I'm all about unified format.
I'm like steve ballmer, chanting unified format.
But for what end do you fight for HD-DVD? some misguided loyalty or dislike for companies? an unholy obsession with iHD and the overwhelming fear, uncertainty and doubt that BD will ever match it?
That's the question I pose for all HD-DVD supporters.
Alcibiades
Member
just ordered The Departed for instore pickup (wasn't gonna even buy this movie but for that price it's not so bad, plus I had a $25 gift card to use)...
It probably won't stay at that price much longer considering it's a hybrid (price mistake?)
It probably won't stay at that price much longer considering it's a hybrid (price mistake?)
Alcibiades said:
I hope not that would actually be good if they could get combos down to a respectable price.
One thing this is going to fuel though is that some of those wackjobs on AVS are going to start claiming Amazon has bluray bias and pricing them lower to boost sales and those sales charts are therefore don't count (even though no one should go by them to begin with)
kaching said:
Seriously. Seriously... I ask him because I'm genuinely curious.
Is there actually something there that's quite rational? Something beyond what I'm seeing?
Could I be wrong? I'm looking at the variables... and aside from emotional response... I just don't understand the appeal of HD-DVD?
It really puzzles me why there is this format war at all. Ok, it doesn't really; BD just hasn't shown hand until now. But now it has. So what else is there left? Is it just the kinda hold outs that would stick with HD-DVD no matter what, just like some people stick with supporting Bush no matter what?
No disrespect to manabyte... indeed, it's because I do respect his opinion some that I need to push it so hard for an answer. I mean; Whydabubblyfugginfark mate?
ManaByte
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Zaptruder said:
Put down BD constantly? I own twice as many BDs as I do HD-DVDs. Why the **** would I own twice as many BDs over HD-DVD if I keep putting down the format? No it's due to the constant attacking of HD-DVD here that SOMEONE has to stand up for the format.
Hell if someone went to the gaming forum and made a thread titled "PS3: Wii death watch" or "PS3: Xbox 360 death watch" it'd last two seconds. But this thread as gone for, what 17 pages now?
Zaptruder said:
So because I don't act like a viral marketer for BD like so many people in this thread do I'm not neutral. Because I own twice as many BDs (and owned the format BEFORE HD-DVD)? Please get off your ****ing high horse.
Zaptruder said:
I'm a shill for HD-DVD? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
You're calling me a shill for HD-DVD? :lol :lol
Zaptruder said:
By that logic, why own more than one game console? Huh? Oh I see...you don't believe in that either.
Zaptruder said:
It's about what movies are available. Not what ****ing company makes the god damned format. HDi is also nice and there's a ton of Warner movies ONLY on HD-DVD due to it. Hell there are a bunch of Warner movies on HD-DVD not because of it. I can't get Forbidden Planet, Adventures of Robin Hood, or Casablanca on BD so I have a HD-DVD drive. At the same time I can't get Pirates or Casino Royal on HD-DVD so I have a PS3.
ManaByte said:
Alright. So it's all about what you can get *now*?
Ok, I can respect that; I mean, for me, I can definetly wait for it to become a unified format; it's not in my interest to pick up an additional HD media device, if I don't have to.
As for the consoles... actually, I'm planning on picking up the PS3 come aussie launch; but I already have the Wii and the X360. Yeah, it'd be nice if one console could be all things to all people... but the reality there is that, all hardware manufacturing companies also manufacture excellent exclusive content themselves. It's not even a case of a single second party exclusive; the companies that do the hardware just have unmissable exclusives. So that's the reality for consoles; buy all or miss out on some great stuff.
The economics of that market allows for multiple formats to thrive at the same time.
Not so true for the media market; only really allows for one successful format, for transperancies sake at any one time. Any more... it becomes a convoluted mess.
As for the shill for HD-DVD comment; aren't you? All the posts I see from you regarding HD media is somehow uplifting HD-DVD and putting down BD. Constantly. Repeatedly. Your comments and the stance you present is hardly neutral, even if you consider yourself format neutral (by owning both BD and HDDVD players). If they were; I'd actually recall some HD-DVD negative comments from your side (but you simply leave everyone else to say them), while hardly any BD positive comments (other than stating you own more BDs than HD-DVDs), again probably because they're so many championing BD here; but you can understand then why it would leave a strong impression in many that you *aren't* format neutral.
Hell, I certainly don't consider myself console neutral; I still have my obvious preferences, despite my willingingness to pick up all three formats and systems, 5 if you count both handhelds.
ManaByte said:
According to that logic; if I praise the more advanced iHD interactivty layer... I'm a shill for HD-DVD?
But you're kinda right; beyond that, and apart from Universal exclusivity, which can be turned (and which is the whole point of debate), I don't see the merits of HD-DVD.
Why wouldn't everyone want Universal to become format neutral? Why would anyone want a non-unified market for HD media? If your actions speak about your stance and beliefs... then why is it that you don't want a unified HD market?
ManaByte
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Zaptruder said:
I never said I didn't. And if there's one thing I hate more than viral marketers it's people putting words in my mouth. And don't you ****ing say my actions are saying that I don't support a unified format.
I was against the format war completely (look at DVD-Audio/SA-CD). But once I got my HDTV and saw how bad normal DVDs looked on it, especially in comparison to 1080i HD broadcasts, I had to upgrade. I don't care if I have to have two separate drives to play the discs. I have to have three separate consoles to play all next gen games.
And didn't you just say you don't even have a PS3?
Zaptruder said:
Why the **** are you championing and arguing for a format you have no in-house experience with? Are you that much of a fanboy that you'll spooge all over something you don't even own yet? And come to a forum and attack people who actually own both formats when you can't speak from in-house experience on either? Just shut the **** up already. Your admittal of not owning either BD or HD-DVD just makes all of your posts look that much more like blind fanboy rantings.
ManaByte said:
Like I've said before; my posts simply come from the desire to see a unified format; convenience for myself. As a side effect of picking up on all consoles this gen, I'll be getting a BD player automatically... so, given that, I'd want it to be as viable in the future as it is now.
You're right; I don't have first hand experience... yet, it's enough for me to read their impressions and say; they're functionally equivalent (IQ, Audio; i'm not going to notice a difference)... except with differing content providers, and the fact that I'll have to pay additional for a HD-DVD player if I want one.
So you claim to want a unified format, but you simply can't wait the 12 months it would take for Universal to announce neutrality (or do you honestly believe they won't ever announce it?).
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Hey Zap get off the man's back will ya? Just stop it.
fortified_concept
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Hey Manabyte I kind of wonder... You seem awfully annoyed by Blu-Ray fans yet you don't seem to be annoyed by The Main Event's FUD and complete lies throughout the entire thread. I mean c'mon that guy's "sources" have been shot down at least three times in this thread and yet you were annoyed by Petrarca's reply to Main Event's latest post but not Main Event's post itself.
Can you explain why because... you know... it seems kinda weird considering you're soooooo objective.
edit: Bud check your PMs.
Can you explain why because... you know... it seems kinda weird considering you're soooooo objective.
edit: Bud check your PMs.
AACS, HD-DVD one and only protection, is completely BUSTED!! can we say nekkid HD-DVD :lol
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/003721.html
Now Blu-ray also uses AACS, but FOX had said in the wake of AACS downfall, they had ordered future blu-ray discs to implement blu-ray second and third protection mechanisms, BD+ and BD-ROM
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/003721.html
Now Blu-ray also uses AACS, but FOX had said in the wake of AACS downfall, they had ordered future blu-ray discs to implement blu-ray second and third protection mechanisms, BD+ and BD-ROM
The Main Event
Member
fortified_concept said:
Wow, I'm speechless.
Jumpman
Member
teiresias said:
Thanks teiresias. I actually tried this before, but wasn't sure if I was actually getting uncompressed audio or not. It sounded worse than the compressed track at the time, no doubt because of the loss in separation. I think I'll take your advice on titles that don't make much use of discrete audio. That might help. But I guess in the end I'll have to get a new reciever.
In the mean time, the DD and DTS tracks I've already heard on Blu-Ray sound fantastic, so I'm not really suffering. I can't imagine uncompressed actually sounding better, but if it does, goody for me.
Thanks again everyone for the help.
ManaByte
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Jumpman said:Thanks teiresias. I actually tried this before, but wasn't sure if I was actually getting uncompressed audio or not. It sounded worse than the compressed track at the time, no doubt because of the loss in separation. I think I'll take your advice on titles that don't make much use of discrete audio. That might help. But I guess in the end I'll have to get a new reciever.
In the mean time, the DD and DTS tracks I've already heard on Blu-Ray sound fantastic, so I'm not really suffering. I can't imagine uncompressed actually sounding better, but if it does, goody for me.
Thanks again everyone for the help.
HD Digest did direct comparisons between the uncompressed PCM and Dolby TruHD tracks on The Departed and said that while the uncompressed PCM was a very slight improvement; most people really won't be able to tell the difference. So I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to fork out a lot of money for a new receiver if you just bought one.
ManaByte said:
Seriously... this is true of most of the differences in HD; the equipment required to actually have a difference is out of reach of most users. And even then, you'd have to be trained to percieve a difference.
Obviously different components make a big difference, but this sort of stuff... lossless digital audio... it's a drop in a bucket as far as stuff that makes a difference to the end user experience.
The practical differences between HDDVD and BD is that studios are more able to store longer movies on a single disc (so 3-4 hour epics) on BD than on HD-DVD; and even then, HD-DVD can get away with a higher compression ratio.
The other difference is that currently, HD-DVD has a better interactivity layer. Which will be matched soon by the slow as molasses BDA anyway.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Honestly, Manabyte, you act as if there's a horde of anti-HD-DVD people and nobody downing BluRay or FUDding BluRay's recent successes.
ChrisJames
Member
yacobod said:
Yeah, he must feel like he's in one of those "Bumfights" videos.
Zaptruder what the hell is your problem? Who cares if one guy wants to say something positive about HD-DVD while owning Blu-Ray also. You're almost as annoying as Petrarca.
More bad news for HD-DVD, the Aussies have spoken, they want blu-ray!
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21225059^15306,00.html
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21225059^15306,00.html
CurlySaysX
Banned
what an anti climax.
i was hoping for a war as long and brutal as the betamax vhs wars
i was hoping for a war as long and brutal as the betamax vhs wars
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