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Hillary Clinton Thanks Ronald Reagan for AIDS Actions

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WedgeX

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As Secretary of State she was IN CHARGE of of USAID.....how could that have even been a misstep. A pretty shocking gaffe.
 
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entremet said:
Some poor staffer is probably crying in a corner after the verbal lashing for Hilary for that gaffe.
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hilary really really should have the political savvy to instantly realize it's very bad politics though

that said campaign season is just months and months of unbelievably busy and exhausting schedules with very limited sleep so it's easy to make mistakes
 
Coolio McAwesome

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I'm not sure if praising Reagan for how he responded to AIDS is more or less offensive than praising Henry Kissinger on foreign policy. Either way, she has proven time and time again that she has horrible judgment.
 
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Yeah, that's a considerable fuck up, apology or not. Nice she admitted she screwed up, but I don't know if the gay men and women who had to put up with so much crap from the public in the 80s regarding HIV and AIDS and the depiction of homosexuals are going to let that slide.
 
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Fine Ham Abounds

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Probably the only good news for her campaign I guess is some moron let this out on social media and not from her mouth on stage at a debate where her supporters who are old enough to actually remember the Reagan presidency would have caught it live.

entremet said:
Some poor staffer is probably crying in a corner after the verbal lashing for Hilary for that gaffe.
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"Nancy Reagan died, say something nice on twitter or something"

20 minutes later

"WTF"
 
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I think it kind of makes sense she misspoke. What someone said in PoliGaf was that her emails show exactly has she is on gay rights issues. That is pretty much clarification here that it was a definite mistake on words.
 
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Wow, bad move. The Reagan were actively silent until the last minute about AIDs, the blood of thousands, if not millions, of LGBT people are on their hands, and I can't believe Hillary would say something like this, even if she's just pandering to the Reagan Democrats and conservatives. This and Kissinger pretty much sealed the deal for me that I can't honestly vote for her.

Hillary should never, ever, cater to a bunch of deluded ignorant voters who believe they will one day be millionaires. The Reagans were monsters who can be linked as a large cause of almost every major issue of this country; from the Drug War, to the Middle East, to income inequality, and much, much more. We need to stop the bullshit praise of the Reagans and admit the reality that they caused this country to fall into, if we don't then we'll never get out it.

This is my biggest fear, that Clinton will try to do the Third Way bullshit again like they did in the 90s and do more harm than good. If she can say with a honest face this, even if she retracted it, I have no faith in her being the president.
 
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Fine Ham Abounds said:
Probably the only good news for her campaign I guess is some moron let this out on social media and not from her mouth on stage at a debate where her supporters who are old enough to actually remember the Reagan presidency would have caught it live.
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She said it right out of her own mouth in a conversational interview.
 
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WaffleTaco said:
I think it kind of makes sense she misspoke. What someone said in PoliGaf was that her emails show exactly has she is on gay rights issues. That is pretty much clarification here that it was a definite mistake on words.
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How do you mispeak in such a lenthy way? She was lying not making a mistake
 
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Dany

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I need to hear a live apology from her and know what her thinking was. Completely awful of her to praise the Reagan for allowing hundreds of thousands of people to die.
 
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LQX said:
When pandering goes wrong.
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Pretty much, it is what it is though.
I don't see how you just call it a slip of the tongue when you go that that deep in the pond. She issued an apology sure but it's still looks like an incredibly ignorant thing to say all the same.
 
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hipsterpants said:
OP should be updated with the apology.
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Why bother? What does it matter? I was a straight, male, sheltered, pre-adolescent child who didn't even know what homosexuality was in the 80s, and even I know the Reagan administration ignored AIDS. How the hell could she mess this up?

Even as a Clinton supporter, this is more appalling than Bernie's little failure to condemn the Castros at the Univision debate. At least Bernie did something stupid and offense because he was being honest. This is literally a matter of just not being a complete moron and saying something stupid when you could have just kept your mouth shut.
 
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How do you not know this tho

I can only assume that this is what happens when Hillary does not have her advisors by her side.
 
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hipsterpants said:
OP should be updated with the apology.
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This is what she said, you can see it in the video:

It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan -- in particular Mrs. Reagan -- we started a national conversation. When before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that I really appreciate with her very effective, low key advocacy but it penetrated the public conscious and people began to say, 'Hey, we have to do something about this too.
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That's not misspeaking. If she just said, "I want to thank Nancy Reagan for her advocacy with regards to AIDS", I would of course accept that she meant "Alzheimers". That's not what she says, she goes into some detail. It's too in-depth to be a simple verbal gaffe.

I'll post the link with her apology, and I appreciate that she came out quickly to clarify, but it's not nearly enough.
 
Vigilant Walrus

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When was the first time we really changed our perception of AIDS in the west? As corny as it sounds, the movie Philadelphia with Tom Hanks was the first time I remember hearing people saying "we got it all wrong". It was based on a real story about a guy who was discriminated against and it tackled a lot of the norms- There where myths that you could get aids from just being near people with aids. You couldn't touch them, you couldn't use the same restrooms as them.
I also remember being a bit older- maybe 11 or 12 and watching a Baywatch episode that was about one of the lifeguards who gave CPR to a person with HIV. I remember a scene where the lifeguards girlfriend freaks out and doesn't wanna kiss or be intimate anymore, and it deals with if he now has the disease. Also because there has always been this confusing misnormer about if being HIV positive or negative is good or bad- Which is which?

What is more, is that as having grown up in the 80s and 90s and seeing how relatively little people care about AIDS today, it is really weird. It is weird how some diseases go through this media circus where they go from being a media sensation, to scorn, to fear, to acceptance and finally to as cures and treatment improves, to irrelevance.



I didn't know about Reagans position on HIV, but it's hard to think about him being so well liked by the republicans when he has caused so much damage.
 
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titiklabingapat said:
Not a good look but her emails shows that she is an LGBT ally through and through.
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Yup. She said something dumb, but painting her as anti-LGBT is crazy.

This isn't the first time she's fucked up eulogizing somebody, and it probably won't be their last. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when speaking of the recently deceased, regardless of what party they were from.
 
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Honestly it just seems like she conflated the HIV thing with the stem cells thing. It was a dumb thing to say but she obviously knows it isn't the truth. It also obviously wasn't intentional pandering since there's no way she'd have gotten away with something so obvious.

Obviously.

ElBoxyBrown said:
I guess if you have to say something nice about him.................

Fuck Reagan.
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Is it weird that I thought this said Faye Reagan? That's weird, right?
 
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Politico is all over this, with a nuanced look at Reagan's record.

The retraction came amid an online furor that exploded when Clinton praised the Reagans' legacy on HIV/AIDS during a TV interview at Nancy Reagan's funeral.

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s," the former secretary of state told NBC's Andrea Mitchell at the Reagan Library in California. "And because of both president and Mrs. Reagan, we started a national conversation, when before, nobody talked about it."
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President Reagan's record on AIDS is mixed at best.

At a now-infamous 1982 news conference, when White House Press Secretary Larry Speakes was asked about the burgeoning epidemic, he replied, “What’s AIDS?”

“It’s known as the ‘gay plague,’” a reporter answered.

“I don’t have it,” Speakes replied. “Do you?” He added later that the president was not aware of the virus.

Reagan and Congress did, however, quietly increase funding for AIDS research as the disease began to ravage the gay community, and beyond. By fiscal year 1983, the U.S. federal government was spending $44 million per year on HIV/AIDS research.
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Not until Feb. 5, 1986, did Reagan visit the Department of Health and Human Services and call finding a cure for AIDS "one of our highest public health priorities." He charged Surgeon General C. Everett Koop with developing a landmark report on the disease, which called on Americans to practice safer sex. And by 1989 — Reagan's final budget year — funding for HIV/AIDS research had risen to $2.3 billion.

Critics — and there are many — note that Reagan didn't give his first major speech on the matter, however, until 1987. The president did not even mention AIDS in public until he was asked about the disease on Sept. 17, 1985 — when he cast doubt on a Centers for Disease Control finding that the virus was not communicable by casual contact. By that point, more than 25,000 Americans had died of the disease.

After his presidency, Reagan seemed to have regrets about his failure to do more. He penned an op-ed in the Washington Post in memory of Ryan White, an American teenager who was expelled from his school after being diagnosed with the disease, and died in April 1990.
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No, it's not misspeaking, it's completely misremembering. I mean, I don't honestly believe she's trying to offend anyone, and obviously the intent was to say something nice about a dead first lady when there's not a whole lot nice you can say about either of the Reagans while still trying to be sensitive to those who were affected by AIDS. But instead you somehow fucking forget everything as if you weren't even awake in the 80s and instead insult those who were affected by AIDS.

It's the political equivalent of kicking a soccer ball with your best kick but not noticing the post in front of you and having it land full force back into your face.
 
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She might want to lay off on the Obama pandering. Just because Obama has a hard on for Reagan, doesn't mean you have to as well.
 
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smurfx said:
nobody in hillary's camp told her this is stupid? haha.
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Honestly, her camp feels like amateur hour sometimes. There's the appealing to fellow kids memes, than one of her team was criticising Bernie for calling for that governors resignation minutes before Hillary did the same thing.

Hoping if she wins the nomination, she has a clean out.
 
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