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Hillary Clinton Thanks Ronald Reagan for AIDS Actions
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Everyone in my personal circle wants this.
I want this.
I wish we could have this.
This is ultimately what I want, but I understand why we can't have this, BUT it's shitty congress doesn't have term limits.
CassidyIzABeast
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This here. We need more Barry-O.
Ryouji Gunblade
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I was pretty confused when I read the first 7 words of this title.
Wow the Reagan administration... disgusting. Imagine if we had that administration today for Ebola.
Wow the Reagan administration... disgusting. Imagine if we had that administration today for Ebola.
Chie Satonaka
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At this point, I legitimately feel like moderate Republicans would choose Obama if they had the choice between him or Trump and the other clowns in that race.
metalslimer
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Right it's a stupid gaffe that looks bad but all of these people acting like Hilary wouldn't push for LGBT right as hard or harder than Obama did are crazy
MatrixMan.EXE
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What happened to the Hilary sentiment? Damn. I'm from the UK so this is all flying over my head, but I'm pretty sure last year she was almost assuredly going to be the people's choice for this race. But now, I'm not so sure.
Sentiment surrounding her seems to be getting increasingly worse as the weeks go on.
Sentiment surrounding her seems to be getting increasingly worse as the weeks go on.
timetokill
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I mean, it's cool that you're able to tell with 100% certainty what a politician actually means when they go on for a full paragraph of glowing praise about something. The rest of us will just have to go based on what they say, and considering her history this is another big warning flag.
bobbychalkers
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Yikes, glad she quickly retracted it but.....yikes....
Considering how quickly she apologized and that it was a real apology, not some fake politician equivocation, I'm inclined to forgive the slight. In a perfect world, the mistake isn't made, but people screw up as part of being human. I try to place more in a sincere apology than in the initial mistake, both for people I know and for public figures.
jstevenson
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though you know, some major elections in just half a week... no biggie
metalslimer
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Well objectively she is the overwhelming front runner if you are talking about he democratic race.
Mengy
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She changes policy stances when it's prudent to win votes, she always has, so yeah, my statement isn't really false. Bernie has certainly pulled her towards him some this election, my biggest worry is that its all show and she doesn't really mean any of it.
It's definitely forgivable but it is strange. It would be like 'accidentally' thanking George W Bush in a decade or two for his swift action on Hurricane Katrina or something.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Man, ya'll know ya'll really don't want to be calling for an end to the 2 term limit
More or less. Although plenty of Republicans already think Obama was the one who was slow to respond to Katrina. I wish I was joking.
More or less. Although plenty of Republicans already think Obama was the one who was slow to respond to Katrina. I wish I was joking.
Even if it isn't malicious it still reflects on her character. If she didn't care enough to fact check this, how can I trust she knows what she's talking about the next time she speaks on something?
George W's second campaign where Cheney flat out said we shouldn't change leadership during a war should be a signal that term limits are a good thing. We got enough warmongering already.
timetokill
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Why would she even need to fact check it, like she wasn't there? It would look even worse if she had to fact check it.
i_am_ben
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Some gaffers clearly don't really understand what it was like for gay people in the 80s........
It's great that she apologised, but its VERY concerning that she even said it in the first place.
I can forgive her if it was literally just misspeaking but if it's something she didn't know then that's unforgivable.
It's great that she apologised, but its VERY concerning that she even said it in the first place.
I can forgive her if it was literally just misspeaking but if it's something she didn't know then that's unforgivable.
I mean, it's an ultimately minor thing, saying something stupid while trying too hard to be nice to a dead woman. I'm not going to vote against her or anything because of it, but wow what a dumb thing to say. I mean, she took it back, but she clearly didn't think it was going to be controversial when she said it...
very saddening and disappointing on Hillary's part
not unlike GWB, there's just not a whole lot to choose from when it comes to praising Reagan
not unlike GWB, there's just not a whole lot to choose from when it comes to praising Reagan
univariate
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First Kissinger and now this. Hilary will never get my vote.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only "non-establishment" option you have is Donald Trump.
ephemeral garbage
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I personally don't ascribe malicious intent to it, but it's certainly enlightening. I would have never figured that a leading Democratic presidential contender would be that ignorant of queer history.
eBay Huckster
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this is a textbook example of why we shouldn't have 60+ year olds running for the office
If she fact checked it she wouldn't have made a fool of herself and we'd never have heard about it.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Please keep this demon out of the white house.
echoshifting
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I'm of two minds here. On the one hand I think it's good that she turned around and apologized almost immediately for the gaffe and I think we should be willing to accept such apologies from public figures and forgive the mistake. On the other hand, it's just such a startling and alarming fuck up. Like...did she realize what she was saying while she was speaking? Of course she did. She may have thought this was an innocent way to memorialize Mrs. Reagan, but it undeniably flies in the face of historical fact. No, the Reagans did not have a good record on AIDS. The funding for research is good, yes, but the fact that they didn't properly enter the national conversation until 1987 in any kind of leadership capacity is unforgivable. This is known. Everybody who grew up in the '80s knows this. It's such a weird thing to fuck up.
And no, I don't think she meant to say Alzheimer's, that doesn't make a lick of sense when you read what she said.
In any case, I agree with those who believe this will quickly be forgotten, and it doesn't impact my vote. But it's certainly very troubling.
And no, I don't think she meant to say Alzheimer's, that doesn't make a lick of sense when you read what she said.
In any case, I agree with those who believe this will quickly be forgotten, and it doesn't impact my vote. But it's certainly very troubling.
Mengy
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Ahem, Bernie is still in the race. He is mostly anti establishment, much more than most politicians anyway.
When it comes actual AIDS scientific research (not conflating with advocacy like abstinence ed) GWB is the President you really want.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Uh, what?
Bernie Sanders isn't anti-establishment by any stretch of the imagination beyond his inability to meaningfully work with anyone else in his 20+ years in Congress. Being an ideologue isn't the same thing as being anti-establishment.
timetokill
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The point is there should be no need to "fact check" it. This isn't some obscure piece of information or a number she wants to get right. This is the establishment narrative and Hillary parroting it is as unsurprising as it is damning.
eBay Huckster
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mostly being snarky in a way that wasn't particularly funny.
but to be serious, you *would* be dramatically less likely to see this particular gaffe from a younger Dem.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It looks bad, but the right's dug themselves into a Reagan-worshipping hole so deep they could never get out of it, and the votes she could theoretically lose aren't going to vote for her in the primaries anyways.
If there's anything to be learned from politics, saying bullshit that's factually wrong isn't even a big deal. That's just unfortunately how it is.
The actual answer: almost nobody writes their own speeches and praising the Reagans was very low on the totem poles of things Clinton gave a shit about, so she gave it the once-over and tossed it out there, only to find out later some of the shit in it was wrong.
I know the way Regan acted towards HIV/AIDS was shitty, but as far as a gaffe goes this one was pretty mild. Every politician had things that they wish they didn't say because the more time you spend behind the camera the greater chance you have of saying something fucking stupid. It's just how it works. And this one was dumb but it had no malicious intent behind it which isn't something you can say about a lot of fuck ups politicians make.
Do you have to fact check who was the first president of the United States, or who won World War II? Any American over the age of 40 who is at all politically-aware should know, without checking, that Ronald Reagan, his wife, and his administration were terrible at dealing with HIV/AIDS. This goes beyond a gaffe. I'm not sure what this is but it's a really ugly and erroneous incident.
Hillary's support of LGBT Americans has been inconsistent over her political career, even in the not-so-distant past, as she supported DOMA and DODT, but now says that they were a "defensive measure". Maybe her mind momentarily reverted back to the 90's?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I bet you she doesn't. The alternatives are people who actively campaign on overturning Obergefell.
Much like the vast majority of voters, most interest groups are pragmatists. Slamming Clinton doesn't help you in the long run. It gets taken care of privately.
What do you mean by this? You think establishment Democrats as a group would like to push a narrative that Reagan did just fine on HIV/AIDS? Because that is blatantly ridiculous.
I'd assume any speech she gives has people reviewing it, nobody caught this?
wow, damn dude.
You actually aren't wrong though, and that's Bernie's biggest problem.
wow, damn dude.
You actually aren't wrong though, and that's Bernie's biggest problem.
The problem is, you'd think any speech she gives was reviewed by her. But nope, that's not how assembly line politicians do things.
Don't believe it was a speech but an interview on CNN before the funeral. It's not like she was reading prepared remarks from my understanding.
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