firehawk12
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The fact that this is only on page 2 kind of shows how the fanbase has dwindled, doesn't it?
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Homeland - Season 5 - Sundays on Showtime
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Nice, loved that Carrie is now the target. That intro though, lots of spoilers.
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Can someone help me?
Why does Saul want Quinn to kill Carrie's daughter? What have I missed?
Why does Saul want Quinn to kill Carrie's daughter? What have I missed?
I've only seen two seasons and struggle to find the motivation to continue. The series started out great but got ropey fast. Seeing the praise thus far for season 5 makes we want to pick it up again though.
How do 3 and 4 compare to 1 and 2?
Yeah, what the fuck was that about?
3 is shit, 4 is great. 4 was pretty much the reboot the show needed.
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Her daughter is the reincarnation of Abu Nazir and the rigtheous heir of his empire. It's all connected.
I think he wants Quinn to kill Carrie and not her daughter, I guess he's not expecting Carrie to stay in Lebanon.
3 is terribad, 4 is the Rise of Peter Bauer.
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One thing that I noticed is that the male casting for this series must be:
"Prerequisites: Damian Lewis lookalike"
The Dana Brody season 3 effect
Sectorseven
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The first thing I noticed.
Immortal Technique
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Ratings are pretty steady, so, apparently not. Unless you mean (neogaf) fanbase
dead souls
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Yep. The show is great, and is doing great.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I doubt it. I've only seen Season 1 and then jumped right to Season 4. Never has trouble keeping up.
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So do we think Saul/the CIA tried to kill Carrie out in the field? Or is there now two groups that want her dead?
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Two groups (or more), Haissam Haqqani is still alive IIRC. Though I'd take my hat off it Dar Adal was behind it.
LOL
What's wrong with you people? Why are most of you buying-in and completely fine with the CIA putting Carrie on their kill list? Are you serious? You should be laughing this ridiculous development till you're out of breath.
Preposterous. Are we to believe that even in the case of Carrie leaking the documents that that's what the CIA will decide: to assassinate Carrie? LOL, credibility out of the window and into the manhole. And i though the CIA wants the rest of the files. Killing Carrie won't help them recover the rest of the files. So no matter how you spin, this is up there with the most asinine thing i've seen in this show. Maybe whoever prepared the newspaper code messed up and meant to spell ALLISON!
Another moment of stupid was the CIA treating the photos of Laura and Carrie as some sort of clear-cut evidence or that them simply meeting would something big. Only a sentence later they comment about the two WORKING WITH EACH OTHER. How would the CIA know that if indeed Carrie is the leak, that they didn't communicate and arrange things while at work where they work together inside the same building hours every day?! FFS!
Now, i want to think Homeland wouldn't be this stupid so i'll try to give it the benefit of the doubt. They showed a scene of a person entering the post and dropping the new intel that Queen later takes. I take that to mean that there might be more going on here and whoever did that drop wasn't acting on the behalf of the CIA\US. Hacking is already the theme, maybe some organization learned about this location and is now feeding Quinn false targets while he's thinking it's the Saul's orders.
If it is indeed a CIA order then that's one of the biggest Sharks i've seen on TV.
What's wrong with you people? Why are most of you buying-in and completely fine with the CIA putting Carrie on their kill list? Are you serious? You should be laughing this ridiculous development till you're out of breath.
Preposterous. Are we to believe that even in the case of Carrie leaking the documents that that's what the CIA will decide: to assassinate Carrie? LOL, credibility out of the window and into the manhole. And i though the CIA wants the rest of the files. Killing Carrie won't help them recover the rest of the files. So no matter how you spin, this is up there with the most asinine thing i've seen in this show. Maybe whoever prepared the newspaper code messed up and meant to spell ALLISON!
Another moment of stupid was the CIA treating the photos of Laura and Carrie as some sort of clear-cut evidence or that them simply meeting would something big. Only a sentence later they comment about the two WORKING WITH EACH OTHER. How would the CIA know that if indeed Carrie is the leak, that they didn't communicate and arrange things while at work where they work together inside the same building hours every day?! FFS!
Now, i want to think Homeland wouldn't be this stupid so i'll try to give it the benefit of the doubt. They showed a scene of a person entering the post and dropping the new intel that Queen later takes. I take that to mean that there might be more going on here and whoever did that drop wasn't acting on the behalf of the CIA\US. Hacking is already the theme, maybe some organization learned about this location and is now feeding Quinn false targets while he's thinking it's the Saul's orders.
If it is indeed a CIA order then that's one of the biggest Sharks i've seen on TV.
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I don't think the orders are coming from Saul. It would definitely be out of character for him. But not, say, Dar Adal, who is 100% ruthless. It's not inconceivable that the CIA thinks Carrie is a danger to the, with her knowledge and contacts and how she seemingly won't cooperate with them anymore. Like, who was that dude she met briefly at the hotel in Beirut, who seemed butthurt that Carrie wouldn't play ball? He might be involved too.
I agree it would be dumb if the pretext is the photos with that journalist though, photos don't prove shit.
I agree it would be dumb if the pretext is the photos with that journalist though, photos don't prove shit.
Do you mean the "in the next episode" previews? Or the actual intro of the episode? I skipped both, haha. Glad I did.
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I watch each week with the hope that the true star of the show returns.
Brody is alive. Believe.
JackBauer24
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Exactly what I was hoping. Especially last season towards the end. Then we get brought back to reality.
It really is. Carrie has been 'a danger' ever since she left. Why kill her now? Photos or no photos, entertaining the idea that the CIA wants her dead is insane.
Really, the Beirut guy? 'Carrie refused to share with me any info gained as an employee of this place, send the word to kill her!'. Common now. And the guy still totally thinks Carrie's position is a ruse headed by Saul.
So no, anyone at the CIA ordering Carrie to be killed is absurd and non-starter.
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Actual intro, I'm hoping I'm wrong but it seems like there are bits and pieces of the whole season in there.
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To be quite honest, I don't think this is one of the most outrageous things that the series has done so far. The S1 days are long gone to me, they went full 24. I raged so hard during S2/3 but now I got past it and accepted the change, I'll just treat the show like I did with the old 24 and not like it is something serious.
That mindfuck in S4, goddamnit.
The only truly bad part of this show was the second half of Season 2 (and that's almost forgiveable after the amazing one-two-punch of Brody getting arrested and the subsequent interrogation episode).
Season 3 was unusual, but ultimately necessary in terms of the showrunners demonstrating that the series could continue without Brody. As dumb as it probably was, those final few episodes sneaking into Iran really appealed to me.
Season 5 so far seems like a return to Season 1 / early Season 2 form.
Season 3 was unusual, but ultimately necessary in terms of the showrunners demonstrating that the series could continue without Brody. As dumb as it probably was, those final few episodes sneaking into Iran really appealed to me.
Season 5 so far seems like a return to Season 1 / early Season 2 form.
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Fun episode, much better than the premiere. Everyone wants Carrie dead now. Exciting!
Morrigan Stark
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WTF, people want this now? It'd be the stupidest shit ever.
Same reason Dexter's ratings kept going up and Showtime refused to let there be any consequences for his behavior throughout the show.
Grizzlyjin
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Wait, do people really think that Saul put Carrie on the list? We literally had a scene that was entirely about how he treats everyone different from her and always protects her. Despite them apparently being on the outs, I don't see him doing that. It doesn't make sense. I wouldn't take what we saw at face value.
NYR
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A lot of people gave up after Season 3. Can't blame them. A lot of people also watch TWD on Sunday nights and moved to that.
It's why he got a code instead of a picture, to avoid tipping Saul off.
shanafan
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Agreed! The premiere was a little confusing with how things were being set up, but this episode was much better and really liking the direction of this season.
Why is During helping the refugee camp exactly?
Ugh, that was both awesome and depressing what happened last season involving Brody.
Because both on the show and IRL the Syrian situation is a gigantic humanitarian crisis. He went out there in order to induce others to write large checks as well.
shanafan
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Thanks, that's what I was gathering I thought!
BLOODED_hands
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As someone who really liked the first half of the first season, and struggled though Seasons 2 and 3
, I don't know how season 4 was, but these two episodes seemed really nice to me.
Looking forward to see how things go from here.
[I was really happy they ended the Brody arc, really needed in my opinion]
Looking forward to see how things go from here.
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I'd happily watch Quinn be a badass for 50minutes. Kind of surprised the billionaire didn't get killed, there were certainly enough opportunities.
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So essentially inviting During to the camp was a way to get Carrie in country so that she could be killed for her actions as the "Drone Queen."
Now the CIA wants her dead... At this point I'm confused as to who put her name in the box. Is Saul the only one who knows about that box? I'm surprised he would do this given the flimsy evidence of a picture. Let's not forget that Carrie also visited Eowyn (I don't remember her name on the show) on the same day as the breach and the meeting with the reporter.
I get the feeling they're doing an end around on Saul and using Peter. If this is Dar Adal again, I would be surprised if he thinks Peter will actually kill Carrie given their history.
I appreciate the setup. The first two episodes have been pretty good. But some of this doesn't hang together very well. Either there's someone else moving pieces on the board and we don't know who that is yet, or the writers are just winging it and hoping we're not paying close attention. "Look at the shiny explosion! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
Now the CIA wants her dead... At this point I'm confused as to who put her name in the box. Is Saul the only one who knows about that box? I'm surprised he would do this given the flimsy evidence of a picture. Let's not forget that Carrie also visited Eowyn (I don't remember her name on the show) on the same day as the breach and the meeting with the reporter.
I get the feeling they're doing an end around on Saul and using Peter. If this is Dar Adal again, I would be surprised if he thinks Peter will actually kill Carrie given their history.
I appreciate the setup. The first two episodes have been pretty good. But some of this doesn't hang together very well. Either there's someone else moving pieces on the board and we don't know who that is yet, or the writers are just winging it and hoping we're not paying close attention. "Look at the shiny explosion! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
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Magician's hot assistant trick.
Just got around to watching it, thought it was a good episode. Thought the scene where Quinn killed that ISIS recruiter was pretty good, and I liked the conversation between Carrie and Düring. A little skeptical of Quinn getting Carrie's name (I mean, it seemed like something the show would do, but it's also kind of absurd, which I guess could lead back to the start of this parenthetical). Ignoring that though, I don't think it was Saul, Saul's not dumb enough to think that Quinn would actually kill Carrie. Can't imagine anyone who has seen his file would actually think that, unless they don't know who's getting the orders, which is possible since I think they said he's operating off the books. Anyway, good start to the season so far.
Best exchange of the episode:
"Did you hear me? I want my lawyer."
"I heard you, you have a loud voice." lol
Also, (upcoming episode title)
Thought this was a pretty interesting perspective, forgot that WSJ had somebody who did this: ‘Homeland’ Season 5, Episode 2: An Intelligence Expert Weighs In
Best exchange of the episode:
"Did you hear me? I want my lawyer."
"I heard you, you have a loud voice." lol
Also, (upcoming episode title)
they're seriously naming an episode "Better Call Saul?" :/
Thought this was a pretty interesting perspective, forgot that WSJ had somebody who did this: ‘Homeland’ Season 5, Episode 2: An Intelligence Expert Weighs In
RatskyWatsky
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That is very interesting, thanks for the link.
No problem. Here's the one for the premiere as well: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015...ve-premiere-an-intelligence-expert-weighs-in/
Leona Lewis
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Carrie's German boyfriend can get it.
RatskyWatsky
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New episode tonight:
Its going to be her boyfriend working for someone(probably IM TOO IMPORTANT TO BE FIRED! Lady) and rich dude saves her ass at the end of the season.
I enjoy homeland, besides the shit Dana season, but the writers are awful at hiding their ideas early in the show. If they want to do sometbing out of left field, they need to blow up Carrie's daughter somehow.
I dont like Quinn hunting Carrie, i wanted more side missions with him hunting terrorists :/
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Jesus Christ that was an intense episode.
I figure the only group of people that can make Hezbollah commanders too scared to talk are either people who can wipe out their families easily (Iran?) or highly placed religious leaders, ie "do what I say or your soul is cursed". Random civilians Carrie got murdered don't seem to fit the bill. Her little crazy trip was insane to watch.
Saul and Dar are planning on assassinating Assad, that's the takeaway from their conversation, right? Dayum. That's like some 20 minutes into the future kinda stuff, really cool.
I figure the only group of people that can make Hezbollah commanders too scared to talk are either people who can wipe out their families easily (Iran?) or highly placed religious leaders, ie "do what I say or your soul is cursed". Random civilians Carrie got murdered don't seem to fit the bill. Her little crazy trip was insane to watch.
Saul and Dar are planning on assassinating Assad, that's the takeaway from their conversation, right? Dayum. That's like some 20 minutes into the future kinda stuff, really cool.
RatskyWatsky
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So it looks like Quinn wasn't assigned to kill Carrie after all, or else he would have done it right then and there in the forest (although he did have a gun pulled when he was stalking the place, so I'm guessing he was prepared to kill her boyfriend). I'm guessing they just wanted him to find her and then bring her in.
Also, I'm fine with Crazy Carrie popping up every now and then (preferably only once per season) - just so long as they keep her reigned in like in this episode. Let her come out to play, but only in a controlled setting.
Also, I'm fine with Crazy Carrie popping up every now and then (preferably only once per season) - just so long as they keep her reigned in like in this episode. Let her come out to play, but only in a controlled setting.
LOL, Carrie said she was filing FOIAs to get info on her possible enemies. Sure, sure.
This guy did a background on Carrie and thought she was a cool cat who didn't have enormous amounts of blood on her hands?
Carrie bringing out the highly intelligent argument that torture totally works. Mmm hmm.
Carrie stops taking her meds! She gains the Bipolar effect: +10 INT, -5 CHR!
Why is Saul actively involved with a plot to remove Assad and install a western-friendly leader? Isn't there a Middle Eastern division chief who'd be more into that? Saul took a demotion by multiple levels, yet he's seemingly scheming right alongside Dar Adal over regime change in a place not at all in his purview.
Oh good, Allison is sleeping with Saul now. That's... icky for everyone involved.
This guy did a background on Carrie and thought she was a cool cat who didn't have enormous amounts of blood on her hands?
Carrie bringing out the highly intelligent argument that torture totally works. Mmm hmm.
Carrie stops taking her meds! She gains the Bipolar effect: +10 INT, -5 CHR!
Why is Saul actively involved with a plot to remove Assad and install a western-friendly leader? Isn't there a Middle Eastern division chief who'd be more into that? Saul took a demotion by multiple levels, yet he's seemingly scheming right alongside Dar Adal over regime change in a place not at all in his purview.
Oh good, Allison is sleeping with Saul now. That's... icky for everyone involved.
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