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Horizon: Zero Dawn | Review Thread

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Gasian

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I don't know if this question has been answered but is the pre-load for the US live? I cannot seem to download it from my library purchases or from the store website. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
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lowhighkang_LHK

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Tyaren said:
Those forests... O:

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These are bullshots.

...right?
 
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robotrock

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killzone shadowfall is literally unplayable

i bought both killzone and knack day one with my ps4 and you know what? i finished knack. can't say the same about killzone shadowfall.
 
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MegaSackman

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The hate on KZ2 probably comes from people that only played the campaign (I'm one of those people that don't play multiplayer in shooters but never played KZ2) since I understand is not as cinematic and spectacular as Mordern Warfare or well written as Bioshock (just to name two popular shooters).
 
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reKon

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The gun play, MP, and graphics were all strong points for Killzone 2. I would say the campaign was the weakest aspect, but it was still solid. I would argue that Killzone 3 had a better campaign because of the perfect pacing, still good gun play, and split-screen co-op

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killzone shadowfall is literally unplayable

i bought both killzone and knack day one with my ps4 and you know what? i finished knack. can't say the same about killzone shadowfall.
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the fuck is this? There are A LOT worse shooters than Shadowfall and are certainly playable.

Did people not use their OWL the entire playthrough or something? Did you at least try the MP
 
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Brix

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Best buy didn't let me preorder the game because "It's a big game and it's too close to release." So I'm going digital. I hope the preload is up.
 
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Gasian

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Loudninja said:
Yep it is up keep trying.
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Tried about everything from restarting my PS4, resetting my internet, logging out, etc. I am on beta firmware 4.5 so could that possibly be an issue? Guess I will try to figure it out. Worse case scenario I play it later the day it comes out. Thanks for the answer
 
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TheFatMan

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There is a guy streaming Horizon on Twitch. I'm not sure if he is supposed to be so I won't provide a link, but if you want to find the stream it's not hard.
 
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Gasian said:
Tried about everything from restarting my PS4, resetting my internet, logging out, etc. I am on beta firmware 4.5 so could that possibly be an issue? Guess I will try to figure it out. Worse case scenario I play it later the day it comes out. Thanks for the answer
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Maybe you can try this?

MaKTaiL said:
Finally got it to show up. This is what I had to do:

Library --> Horizon --> Activities --> "I liked Horizon" post --> Show Game Information

The download button finally came up.
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More_Badass

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autoduelist said:
No, you're missing the point. A review is for the audience, it's not to stroke the ego of the reviewer. That is, it's more important to provide a solid and useful resource for potential buyers than it is to scream from the rooftop that everybody else is wrong.

So, if a reviewer can tell a product is quality, but hates it, then they should consider passing it along to someone else to review. Obviously, it's okay to hate something, and it's okay to say that. But even in hating something, a reviewer owes it to their audience to be intellectually honest about it's overall quality.

For example:

"I want this to be a great game... I can feel the polish, and it's a technical marvel. It's beautiful from beginning to end. I know many people will love this game, and many will consider it a masterpiece. But... I just couldn't connect with it. For all its polish, it felt soulless to me, just a bit empty inside. I didn't like the characters, and didn't understand their motivations, and the story rang false. Which is a shame, because I know there is a great game in there somewhere, but I just couldn't find it. Whether that's my mistake, or that of the developers, will be up to others to decide. I feel uncomfortable giving this game a numeric review, because any number I assigned it would feel wrong... the games obvious merits earn a score I just don't feel comfortable giving it, because at the end of the day, I hated it."

That is an honest review [of an imaginary game]. It shreds the game without lying about it, or ignoring it's clear good points. Personally, I'd say that reviewer should have passed the game along to another reviewer.

Like I said, I hate platformers. But that doesn't mean I'd give them all a 1/10 even if I hate them. What good does that do anybody? I realize we live in 2016 where people love to scream vulgarities into cameras and post it on youtube, but ultimately, a good reviewer is there as a resource.

Sure, you can oversimplify the issue and twist my words and pretend I'm saying reviewers should lie if they hate the game, but clearly, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying a reviewer should have the intellectual integrity to recognize that even a game they absolutely hate can be good, and vice versa - even a game they love can be janky and broken. And they need to ensure their reviews reflect that intellectual honesty. It's okay to hate a game everyone else loves, and it's okay to say that. But that doesn't make it a 1/10 game... it just means you didn't like it. There's a difference.
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That right there is the flaw in your argument. You're saying 1/10 and so on as if review scores are reflections of the game's quality. It's not and never has, not for games, not for movies, not for books. It's a reflection of that reviewer's enjoyment.

To use an example I like, incredible movies like The Thing and The Shining got middling reviews when they released, even though those movies are excellently crafted and very put together from a technical and film-making level. A review score isn't telling you how good a game is, it's telling you how much the reviewer enjoyed it

Nor is it an immutable measure. A movie, game, show I might rate as 5/10 or whatnot now, could be a 10/10 five years from now. Case in point, I thought Alien was kind of boring and Aliens was better in every way when I first saw Alien like seven, eight years ago. Flash forward now, with a much greater appreciation for slow burn horror, more knowledge about cinematography, and much more interest in sci-fi and sci-fi horror, and I consider Alien a masterpiece
 
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Orayn

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What some people forget is that not every prospective buyer is someone who is "all in" and riding a ridiculous hype train. I'm personally pretty wary of most open world games and I find the USGamer review incredibly useful and relevant to me as a result of that.

autoduelist said:
Sure, you can oversimplify the issue and twist my words and pretend I'm saying reviewers should lie if they hate the game, but clearly, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying a reviewer should have the intellectual integrity to recognize that even a game they absolutely hate can be good, and vice versa - even a game they love can be janky and broken. And they need to ensure their reviews reflect that intellectual honesty. It's okay to hate a game everyone else loves, and it's okay to say that. But that doesn't make it a 1/10 game... it just means you didn't like it. There's a difference.
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Yes it absolutely fucking does. Giving a game 1/10 is a numerical way of saying "I really hated this game." There is no deeper objective score that reviewers are all trying to approximate, there are just different people playing it and telling everyone else what their experience was like.
 
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SomTervo

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Orayn said:
What some people forget is that not every prospective buyer is someone who is "all in" and riding a ridiculous hype train. I'm personally pretty wary of most open world games and I find the USGamer review incredibly useful and relevant to me as a result of that.
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That's fair, but numerous reviews are also by open world cynics. Many say "I'm tired of open worlds but this works".

Obviously still might not work for you, but USG isn't the only review worth listening to.
 
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Gasian

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Loudninja said:
Maybe you can try this?
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Found a solution but not that one cause I had no activity for the game. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. For anyone having this issue: Go to the Library>Search for Horizon in the search bar> The Download icon should now show up when you click on Horizon. Weird issue. Hope everyone has fun with the game.
 
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Tomeru

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More_Badass said:
That right there is the flaw in your argument. You're saying 1/10 and so on as if review scores are reflections of the game's quality. It's not and never has, not for games, not for movies, not for books. It's a reflection of that reviewer's enjoyment.
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It's a reflection of the reviewer standard. Or at least it should be. But it must not be only of their enjoyment. If you grade something, its based on your standard.
 
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Orayn

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Tomeru said:
It's a reflection of the reviewer standard. Or at least it should be. But it must not be only of their enjoyment. If you grade something, its based on your standard.
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I'm of the mind that all review scores are equally arbitrary because it's nearly impossible to take something as subjective as the experience to play and consistently translate it to a numerical score, even if you have a long list of rules for how many points a game gains/loses for X, Y, and Z.
 
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The Lamp said:
Until Dawn was a disaster. The framerate was a mess and it wasn't even open world. The models were nice but even the animations were inconsistent, varying from impressive, to uncanny, to atrocious.
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Animation isn't tied to the engine and it looked really good on decima. I had a blast with UD, don't recall frame rate issues so if it had it, it didn't bother me. Most people who played it seem to love it. One of my favourites this gen.

I really liked kz2. Bridge assault. Offfgh. Looked so good for it's time too. Loved the grey and brown world. Too bad they took the criticism of the colour palette onboard and kz3 was so colourful. :/
 
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More_Badass said:
You're assuming Horizon is designed like Far Cry and similar games, when most impressions and reviews say the game is how you'd prefer: focus on gameplay and combat, strong narrative focus, varied landscapes and things to discover, good pacing and progress due to how stats and weapon unlocks work, etc.
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I've seen a few things that said things got toward FarCry, but yeah will have to play myself to know for sure like usual. I won't mind bad side quests either, as long as the main stuff is decent.
 
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Tomeru

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Orayn said:
I'm of the mind that all review scores are equally arbitrary because it's nearly impossible to take something as subjective as the experience to play and consistently translate it to a numerical score, even if you have a long list of rules for how many points a game gains/loses for X, Y, and Z.
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We can't escape from some measure of description of enjoyment from reviewers. The whole numerical scoring is a double edged sword because even if one reviewer's 5 is another reviewer's 9, then something is afoot. And we are talking numbers here:: and 8 is an 8 is an 8. You see this best when a game gets a majority of its reviews scored about the same (8~9). That means that most reviewers are working off the same standard of scoring. Statistics and anomalies and such.
 
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Phreak47

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Thanks to a price mistake cancellation giving me a $10 credit, I just got a sweet deal. I was late to this hype train because I wasn't sure it would be one...

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Oh and KZ2 hate was mainly due to two things:

- People that didn't forgive them for claiming that infamous E3 trailer was entirely "in-game" (bullshot controversy)
- Your character was not an arcadey hoppin' spider monkey. Stupid realistic weight and gravity!
 
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More_Badass

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Orayn said:
I'm of the mind that all review scores are equally arbitrary because it's nearly impossible to take something as subjective as the experience to play and consistently translate it to a numerical score, even if you have a long list of rules for how many points a game gains/loses for X, Y, and Z.
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Of course they're arbitrary. Not only among different sites having different meanings and definitions for what defines their scores, but among every individual writer on those sites, because every person will weight and view things differently based on preference and personal experience
 
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Phreak47 said:
Thanks to a price mistake cancellation giving me a $10 credit, I just got a sweet deal. I was late to this hype train because I wasn't sure it would be one...

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Nice.

I got the Prime discount and a $5 credit applied to mine because of a mistake on Amazon's part with another order I had. I'm getting it for ~$45.
 
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TB14

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Played KZ2 MP like crazy back in the day. Great stuff.

Should be getting Horizon tomorrow. Wish I lived in an area with Saturday delivery.
 
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More_Badass

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Tomeru said:
We can't escape from some measure of description of enjoyment from reviewers. The whole numerical scoring is a double edged sword because even if one reviewer's 5 is another reviewer's 9, then something is afoot. And we are talking numbers here:: and 8 is an 8 is an 8. You see this best when a game gets a majority of its reviews scored about the same (8~9). That means that most reviewers are working off the same standard of scoring. Statistics and anomalies and such.
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But that's exactly what it is. For anything.

And no, an 8 isn't 8, because review scores aren't a science or some standardized measure. Every score from every site is on its own individual scale. There is no standard.

We're not talking numbers. We're talking labels. What are 8/10 graphics or a 7/10 story? The numbers are arbitrary labels, a numerical representation of something that's non-numerical. You can just as easily replace 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 with Bad, Mediocre, Average, Good, Excellent, and nothing would change
 
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