Neoleo2143
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You make fast Travel packs with the same resources you use to make health potions. It's a very interesting decision in the vein of how TLOU balanced Health Kits.
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Horizon Zero Dawn Spoiler-free Impressions (for real this time)
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You make fast Travel packs with the same resources you use to make health potions. It's a very interesting decision in the vein of how TLOU balanced Health Kits.
texhnolyze
Banned
What I meant by 'gameplay' is the action-oriented combat. But yeah, I play various kinds of RPGs, from turn-based, real-time, tactics, action, everything. But I never consider the combat in RPGs as my main point of interest. It's always about my progression and the story or lore. For the exception of Souls games.
This game doesn't appear to have classes, or a progression / experience tree or anything.
Maybe I'm missing something; but this isn't a WRPG or ARPG, it's an open world shooter w/ gear you can purchase and upgrade.
Would love to be corrected on that; but what other RPG elements exist?
Neoleo2143
Member
I see. I like my progression to be impactful so I really don't like ineffectual percentages and prefer item progression ala Zelda where my abilities get enhanced or a I get a new option and choice to make. Even BoTW keeps that element, albeit made more general it seems. Souls is the rare exception where they make it all work somehow.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Thanks, an interesting spin on the system
More_Badass
Member
Classes dont make an rpg at all.
onemanasylum
Banned
Same as the witcher, and many other RPG's. It's still an rpg, with dialog choices...It having good combat does not mean it cannot be an rpg. Classes never mad a game an RPG.
More_Badass
Member
I'd argue the means to mold your build is what separates games with RPG elements like Tomb Raider and Far Cry from full-fledged RPGs, classic, action, or otherwise
So without thumbing through all these pages can someone answer these questions:
Any idea of main story length vs full completion length ?
Is it challenging ? Can it be made challenging ?
Story interesting?
Combat interesting ?
Are the side quests meh skippable bleh, or Witcher 3 oooh la la?
Any idea of main story length vs full completion length ?
Is it challenging ? Can it be made challenging ?
Story interesting?
Combat interesting ?
Are the side quests meh skippable bleh, or Witcher 3 oooh la la?
Twilight Princess
Member
I'm going to sleep now. Hoping for a 92+ metacritics when I wake up.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
We've circled right back into its not an RPG I suppose. Is it the 28th yet so I can just play
Neoleo2143
Member
1. Dunno
2. Wesker Loves the difficulty on Very Hard.
3. Setting is awesome, characters sound pretty great, some epic moments too, intro is very strong. Lore is intriguing as always with Guerrilla.
4. Combat is excellent it seems, heaps of praise on the enemy design and combat scenarios.
5. The Lamp Loves the sidequests and the details and nuggets that they add to the world.
You actually nailed it right on the head. I couldn't put it better myself. You'll have people here who will throw an outrage because RPG's have trained them to sludge through the bloat of a skill tree and insurmountable grinding; but I'm always open to new experiences.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
I don't know if Cauldorns were compared to AC tombs, but don't. Cauldrons are far larger if the first one is any indication. like shiiit.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Main story is probably around 20 versus 30 + with everything.
Even on normal getting my butt kicked at times.
Story and lore is very interesting. Combat is fun, with different elements to use and side quests seems to range from alright to pretty good. The emergent gameplay during fighting and the various enemies is a plus.
texhnolyze
Banned
And that's why I don't really dig Zelda games.
Yes, and this is where Horizon is lacking imho. You can't be anything other than the agile archer. While there are
three
I kinda understand the reason though, we're fighting robot dinosaurs, after all. Aloy couln't be a master of melee or a tank to fight them. The theme sets its own limitations in the RPG aspects.
Looks like 20-30 hours for the main campaign, up to 40+ for completionists. Mileage will vary depending on your play style and how much you like to explore or engage with side content.
Hard and very hard can be challenging and you can die in a few hits if you're not careful. Difficulty can be adjusted on the fly if you feel like changing it.
Story appears to be very good and exceeding expectations.
Combat is the best part, requiring the use of your whole inventory of weapons and traps, and taking advantage of weak points.
Side quests are high quality and divided into side quests (with more meaty content) and errands (simpler quests for items and experience).
Eh most rpgs people are just one class.
25-30 hours main story, about 40 hours for 100%. This is very early reports. Your mileage may vary.
Very challenging at times. Can be made more challenging (you lose health faster or lose more chunk of health per hit)
Surprisingly interesting story and character(s).
Combat with robots is the main focus and is very satisfying. Combat with humans is lacking, but again not the focus.
Side quests closer to Witcher 3 but not quite Witcher 3. Still surprisingly good.
.texhnolyze
Banned
I'm not talking about class, but builds. Let's say The Witcher games. While Geralt is a swordman, he can be an agile swordsman, a bulky one that can take many hits, a master of signs (magician), or even a master of traps. Each build gives different approaches and possibilities in combats. And the players are free to choose which style they want to play.
More_Badass
Member
But then even that's debatable because in Witcher, all you can be is a badass swordsman
Primethius
Banned
The primary difference is actual playstyle vs. builds. Witcher might offer more builds but those aren't necessarily conductive to actual playstyle. Given Horizons more sandboxy nature and approach to combat, it wouldn't be surprising at all if the freedom you had to tackle encounters was far greater than what typical builds allow.
onemanasylum
Banned
What do you think the review score will look like? Sorry I had to ask.
DriftingSpirit
Member
texhnolyze
Banned
I think that's covered in my second post.
Not really. You can kill a whole group of bandits without ever using your sword.
But I guess you have a point. We shall see how's the possibilities in Horizon. Only one more week to go.
MiamiWesker
Member
One side quest gave me an epic boss battle so do the side quests.
Really I am surprised at the quality of everything. The writing, the lore, the design of the world. I'm starting to feel this game will get a ton of 9s and 10s. Some people will just not like the combat and well if you don't then this game is probably not for you.
It's an amazing first game in a series. But there is definite room for expansion, I would love for more elements to be fleshed out. They have the combat down now add more to it.
Really I am surprised at the quality of everything. The writing, the lore, the design of the world. I'm starting to feel this game will get a ton of 9s and 10s. Some people will just not like the combat and well if you don't then this game is probably not for you.
It's an amazing first game in a series. But there is definite room for expansion, I would love for more elements to be fleshed out. They have the combat down now add more to it.
This sounds great as those were my favorite parts of the Ezio trilogy of Assassins creed games. About how long would you say it takes to do.
Just waiting on the edgy 6 from site.
SlasherJPC
Banned
That and all the crafting but man... I'm with you.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Maximum hype.
onemanasylum
Banned
That's the exception not the rule, even focusing on Bombs/signs, most encounters end up with sword play due to how the combat is, and how Signs/Bombs are implemented. The game leads you to have to use the sword more then not.
Pst, honeymoon phase.
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It seems you went from I really like it (7 or 8 out of 10) to this is great (9 or 10 out of 10).
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Hype is through the roof
At least we got Black Flag after that!
Primethius
Banned
Yea, I know that the builds offer diversity. Alchemy made death march a joke. I was just pointing out that some games focus on playstyle diversity, some on build diversity and some a mix. This seems to be the former. Where as Witcher was mostly build. And something like Dragons Dogma is the mix.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, but there are more in the combat than just offense. In defense, there are so many choices as well. As mentioned above, you can be an agile or a tanky swordsman. You can also focus on signs so you don't even need to dodge as you can keep that shield up for longer and stronger. Choices.
While in Horizon, what can you do to protect yourself other than rolling around and around and around?
TimeEffect
Member
Did u say good lore? Go on...
onemanasylum
Banned
How would you rate the sound design?
Merchandise
Member
So when people say the embargo lifts at midnight, do they mean midnight PST?
onemanasylum
Banned
Yeah PST.
Primethius
Banned
Yes.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Dope-ass CG Trailer tho.
In 5 hours and 25 minutes.
A dude named Midnight comes out and actually lifts a hood off the heads of the reviewers so they can publish their reviews
LastMinuteHero
Member
Why are you surprised? People have been saying the story is interesting