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[Ruthless_Barbarian]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

 

[Primethius]

Ted's going to go down as one of gamings greatest villains. Just for how absolutely realistic and human he felt.

 

[MegaSackman]

Ted's going to go down as one of gamings greatest villains. Just for how absolutely realistic and human he felt.

With more development he could be the Walter White of gaming.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

Ted's going to go down as one of gamings greatest villains. Just for how absolutely realistic and human he felt.

And I think Elisabet is gonna go down as one of gaming's greatest heroes. Just by how selfless and courageous she was until the end. Also being the only person not to take Ted's bullshit

 

[Hippolnareff]

DLC with playable Vanesha, please.

 

[Socivol]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

Why do you agree with him doing that? Destroying Apollo literally set humanity back thousands of years.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

And you called me a monster : P

 

[WITHE1982]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

While I don't agree with him destroying Apollo I can understand why he did it.

In order to try and put right the massive mistakes he made, his guilt has driven him to try anything to prevent it happening again. However misguided his actions there's a twisted logic to them. Giving humanity a blank slate may prevent the same mistakes being made in the future.

Spoiler

Guy was an ass though.

Why do you agree with him doing that? Destroying Apollo literally set humanity back thousands of years.

Which in his eyes puts them further away from the same inevitable outcome. Similar to Mass Effect in a way.

 

[wapplew]

Ted's going to go down as one of gamings greatest villains. Just for how absolutely realistic and human he felt.

Shame Helis is super forgettable and Bast...too young.

 

[WordsintheWater]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

So he destroyed Apollo because he believes that knowledge creates violence? I mean at least that's what I got from it.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I made a thread about Ted fucking Faro.

 

[wapplew]

I made a thread about Ted fucking Faro.

Thread backfire.
Maybe change the title to Horizon have a great villain.

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Why do you agree with him doing that? Destroying Apollo literally set humanity back thousands of years.

And you called me a monster : P

Fresh start for civilization?

We can already see strong impact of religion, caste and gender bias in the 700 odd years humanity has thrived since their re-introduction, it could have been infinitely worse with the knowledge of the old ones.

I want the new human race to make their own mistakes, not repeat the ones of the old ones. There will always be characters like Sylens who thirst for knowledge beyond everything and will stop at nothing to gain all they can. If some like the mad Sun King had access to Apollo, think how humanity would have suffered (just an example).

I made a thread about Ted fucking Faro.

ouch, you might cop a ban for spoilers mate.

 

[TyrantII]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

I get the logic, but all of written and spoken human history is the story of periods of humanity making the same mistakes with different details, mostly through ignorance.

You already see it occuring in the world with the tribes, factions, different ideologies.

Knowledge at least gives them the hope of not repeating mistakes. Without that knowledge, there is no hope. They're doomed to rediscover it all, without a shared history as a guidepost.

As far as I can tell, Ted is wrong at every turn in the view of the games narrative. And it's not just told once. It's paralleled in the story that takes place between Ted and Elisabeth, and also the story of Aloy leaving the Nora to find the forbidden world outside of the cradle. It will again be a theme in visiting the forbidden west. And it's also why Sylens isn't really a villian, at least not yet.

Don't forget the world of Zero Dawn is not stable, and is still under attack. Their patron Gaia is dead ATM. If Ted's plan was successful, they'd all be dead. Knowledge, and discovery of the forbidden past saved them. A certain Nora Matriarch couldn't have been more wrong.

 

[WITHE1982]

I made a thread about Ted fucking Faro.

Whoops!

Think your only course of action now is to kill everyone involved and wipe all data pertaining to the creation of that thread.

In a few thousand years humanity may not realise what you've done.

 

[Miniature Kaiju]

And I think Elisabet is gonna go down as one of gaming's greatest heroes. Just by how selfless and courageous she was until the end. Also being the only person not to take Ted's bullshit

The conversation Lis has with GAIA, at the end, is some of the best pieces of characterization in gaming I've seen in quite a while. So simple, so powerful and yet so human. Lis was who she was because she had a loving mother who told her the truest truth, that smarts are pointless if not used to do good.

Elisabet's mom, the real MVP. Good thing Aloy had as much of a good influence in Rost.

 

[MegaSackman]

Whoops!

Think your only course of action now is to kill everyone involved and wipe all data pertaining to the creation of that thread.

In a few thousand years humanity may not realise what you've done.

Let's get this thread accessible only through op's dna.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Whoops!

Think your only course of action now is to kill everyone involved and wipe all data pertaining to the creation of that thread.

In a few thousand years humanity may not realise what you've done.

Yep. I don't want the next generation of Horizon players to be afflicted with the curse of spoiler culture.

 

[STILLethal]

Whoops!

Think your only course of action now is to kill everyone involved and wipe all data pertaining to the creation of that thread.

In a few thousand years humanity may not realise what you've done.

lmao

 

[Ishmae1]

If the sequel ended up being about Ted F-ing Faro, who has been cloning himself and educating each clone with an alternate history via a modified Apollo in which Ted wasn't the bad guy who killed humanity, I wouldn't be surprised. Essentially he sets himself up to believe he's god in this new world, as it is all because of his divine "reset" to humanity.

He's still on his hunt to remove any traces of him being the bad guy, which is why Hades recognized Aloy as such a threat - it's Elisabet, back to dredge up all Ted's mistakes once again.

Would also explain why the seed facilities didn't have enough nutrients - Ted stole / relocated the stock to his bunker so he could clone himself over and over again over the millennia.

Radical yes, but it feels like Ted's meddling isn't over just yet.

 

[MegaSackman]

What's the possibility of having the responsable of the glitch in the swarm and the derangement being the same "entity"?

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

I'm probably the only person who agreed with Ted.

Not the killing of the alphas, but destroying Apollo.

He was a terrible person, no doubt.

Look, we all get why he did it. He was stricken with grief and wanted to make amends. You could make the argument his motivation was sound.

His actions, though? Completely erasing all of human history, for what? To relieve the guilt of a single individual? Not only did he put himself ahead of the last remaining humans on earth, but also the future generations of civilizations to come.

People always talked about how selfish Joel was at the end of The Last of Us.... I don't think you can even compare Joel's actions to the choice that Faro made.

I'm sure I don't need to mention to you the thousands on top of thousands of fail safes they put into the Apollo program, either. The likelihood of a repeat Faro Plague was next to impossible.

I want the new human race to make their own mistakes, not repeat the ones of the old ones.

One of the main poins of the Apollo program was so that they could learn from the mistakes of those that came before, and to not make those mistakes again.

We can already see strong impact of religion, caste and gender bias in the 700 odd years humanity has thrived since their re-introduction, it could have been infinitely worse with the knowledge of the old ones.

Wait, what? How would all that knowledge be a step back?

f some like the mad Sun King had access to Apollo, think how humanity would have suffered (just an example).

I don't think there would have even been a Sun King in the first place had humanity had the knowledge of Apollo and the proper training before being let out of the cradles.

 

[Socivol]

Fresh start for civilization?

We can already see strong impact of religion, caste and gender bias in the 700 odd years humanity has thrived since their re-introduction, it could have been infinitely worse with the knowledge of the old ones.

I want the new human race to make their own mistakes, not repeat the ones of the old ones. There will always be characters like Sylens who thirst for knowledge beyond everything and will stop at nothing to gain all they can. If some like the mad Sun King had access to Apollo, think how humanity would have suffered (just an example).



ouch, you might cop a ban for spoilers mate.

But knowing about the Faro plague could help them keep something like that from happening again.

 

[meanspartan]

Ok three questions having just finished-

1. Was there another program alongside Zero Dawn that launched humans into space as an alternate way to save them? I thought I heard that referenced, but I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding.

2. Can someone explain the post-credits ending? Is Sylens evil, or does he just want to interrogate Hades for more information for good reasons? It seemed sinister, what with the giant machine.

3. What caused Hades to go rogue and not be under Gaia's control? I think that Gaia cutscene explained it as some sort of hack that happened just before Aloy's birth (in fact it is why Gaia triggered her birth), but what caused that hack? Sylens? I'd like to think so but he barely understood what the robots were, let alone be able to hack fucking Gaia, a god-tier AI.

 

[HStallion]

Ok two questions having just finished-

1. Was there another program alongside Zero Dawn that launched humans into space as an alternate way to save them? I thought I heard that referenced, but I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding.

2. Can someone explain the post-credits ending? Is Sylens evil, or does he just want to interrogate Hades for more information for good reasons? It seemed sinister, what with the giant machine.

1. Yes it was a colony ship created by a group of secretive billionaires called Far Zenith that was supposed to colonize another planet. It had an alpha version of Apollo but was not a part of Project Zero Dawn. Its anti matter engines exploded as it was preparing to leave the solar system and everything was lost, supposedly.

2. Sylens said he would do everything over again in terms of Hades but with more safe guards. That's what the ending was. He gave Aloy his spear which I suspect was modified to not totally shut down Hades and transport it to his lamp so he can learn more from it including who its "masters" are.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

Ok two questions having just finished-

1. Was there another program alongside Zero Dawn that launched humans into space as an alternate way to save them? I thought I heard that referenced, but I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding.

2. Can someone explain the post-credits ending? Is Sylens evil, or does he just want to interrogate Hades for more information for good reasons? It seemed sinister, what with the giant machine.

1. Yes, was called the Odyssey. It never made it outside of the solar system, though, as it was destroyed in an accident. It had a pre-alpha version of the Apollo program on it, with no built in fail safes.

2. We don't really know. He seemed pretty menacing, did he not? Then again, I was under the impression that Sylens only motivation is to gain as much knowledge as possible. He made that very clear when he used Aloy for no other reason that to further his knowledge of the Old Ones.

 

[Son of Flounder]

Ok two questions having just finished-

1. Was there another program alongside Zero Dawn that launched humans into space as an alternate way to save them? I thought I heard that referenced, but I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding.

2. Can someone explain the post-credits ending? Is Sylens evil, or does he just want to interrogate Hades for more information for good reasons? It seemed sinister, what with the giant machine.

1. Yes, can't remember the name of it but it was another organisation's attempt at saving humanity (which failed by the way), not affiliated with Faro or Elisabet.

2. Sylen's is selfish and will do anything for knowledge about the ancients. Doesn't matter if it means working for Eclipse or Hades directly.

 

[meanspartan]

1. Yes it was a colony ship created by a group of secretive billionaires called Far Zenith that was supposed to colonize another planet. It had an alpha version of Apollo but was not a part of Project Zero Dawn. Its anti matter engines exploded as it was preparing to leave the solar system and everything was lost, supposedly.

2. Sylens said he would do everything over again in terms of Hades but with more safe guards. That's what the ending was. He gave Aloy his spear which I suspect was modified to not totally shut down Hades and transport it to his lamp so he can learn more from it including who its "masters" are.

1. Yes, was called the Odyssey. It never made it outside of the solar system, though, as it was destroyed in an accident. It had a pre-alpha version of the Apollo program on it, with no built in fail safes.

2. We don't really know. He seemed pretty menacing, did he not? Then again, I was under the impression that Sylens only motivation is to gain as much knowledge as possible. He made that very clear when he used Aloy for no other reason that to further his knowledge of the Old Ones.

1. Yes, can't remember the name of it but it was another organisation's attempt at saving humanity (which failed by the way), not affiliated with Faro or Elisabet.

2. Sylen's is selfish and will do anything for knowledge about the ancients. Doesn't matter if it means working for Eclipse or Hades directly.

Thanks so much guys! I actually added a third question I thought of too haha.

 

[Razgreez]

To add to the previous responses

Odyssey project was, apparently, a failure. It's anti-matter drives failed catastrophically (or so Elisabet was informed).

A bit of a recap on the Odyssey project: http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/wiki/Odyssey_Injustice?

Reminds one quite a bit about Musk's mars project

Sylens veers perilously close to being a true villain. His thirst for knowledge is front and center. He will protect and defend others if, and only if, it furthers his own interests. It just so happens that until now his own interests have loosely aligned with the "greater good". He's not even deceptive about his intentions and makes them crystal clear from the beginning

 

[meanspartan]

1. Yes it was a colony ship created by a group of secretive billionaires called Far Zenith that was supposed to colonize another planet. It had an alpha version of Apollo but was not a part of Project Zero Dawn. Its anti matter engines exploded as it was preparing to leave the solar system and everything was lost, supposedly.

2. Sylens said he would do everything over again in terms of Hades but with more safe guards. That's what the ending was. He gave Aloy his spear which I suspect was modified to not totally shut down Hades and transport it to his lamp so he can learn more from it including who its "masters" are.

Oh, so it got far away from the earth and THEN blew up? Damn. Had it blown up at launch then maybe a sequel could see Aloy tracking down that alpha version of Apollo.

So what makes it an "alpha" version? Less information?

It's funny how THAT part bugged me the most, humanity losing everything of old human civilization. It triggered this weird feeling of anxiety in me about being "Forgotten" and made Ted Faro, who is barely in the game that much, one of the biggest villains I can think of. Deleting our history almost seems a worse crime than accidentally creating the Faro Plague.

 

[wapplew]

Oh, so it got far away from the earth and THEN blew up? Damn. Had it blown up at launch then maybe a sequel could see Aloy tracking down that alpha version of Apollo.

So what makes it an "alpha" version? Less information?

It's funny how THAT part bugged me the most, humanity losing everything of old human civilization. It triggered this weird feeling of anxiety in me about being "Forgotten" lol.

In theory, we only lost "learn humanity" app. There's still some form of media storage any Focus can play, audio log, emails, hologram are some of them.
Faro machine only absorb biomass, physical media survive.

 

[meanspartan]

http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/wiki/APOLLO_Update

So that one makes it seem like Apollo was actually created by the Oddyssey people, then project zero dawn took it and ran with it for their work. Is that correct?

 

[HStallion]

Oh, so it got far away from the earth and THEN blew up? Damn. Had it blown up at launch then maybe a sequel could see Aloy tracking down that alpha version of Apollo.

So what makes it an "alpha" version? Less information?

It's funny how THAT part bugged me the most, humanity losing everything of old human civilization. It triggered this weird feeling of anxiety in me about being "Forgotten" and made Ted Faro, who is barely in the game that much, one of the biggest villains I can think of. Deleting our history almost seems a worse crime than accidentally creating the Faro Plague.

The version of Apollo that Far Zenith had was not programmed with any kind of fail safes or guide lines for how to teach humanity.

 

[HStallion]

http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/wiki/APOLLO_Update

So that one makes it seem like Apollo was actually created by the Oddyssey people, then project zero dawn took it and ran with it for their work. Is that correct?

No Apollo was created by Samani as an extension of her lifes work. When Ted announces he killed Apollo several of the Alphas run over to Samani to comfort her as Ted killed did not just destroy the future knowledge of humanity but basically murdered her child.

 

[meanspartan]

The version of Apollo that Far Zenith had was not programmed with any kind of fail safes or guide lines for how to teach humanity.

So it was basically just a big hard drive with information?

What do you mean by fail safes? Sorry I'm asking a million questions haha.

And again, I wanna reiterate my late addition question - does anyone know how/why Hades was hacked and separated from Gaia's control? Or is that just one of the big mysteries remaining? I don't think Sylens would be capable of hacking such a powerful and advanced AI, even if he did figure out how to use some of the tech.

 

[Berserker976]

So it was basically just a big hard drive with information?

What do you mean by fail safes? Sorry I'm asking a million questions haha.

And again, I wanna reiterate my late addition question - does anyone know how/why Hades was hacked and separated from Gaia's control? Or is that just one of the big mysteries remaining? I don't think Sylens would be capable of hacking such a powerful and advanced AI, even if he did figure out how to use some of the tech.

That's exactly the mystery Sylens is referring to in the post-credits scene. There has been lots of speculation, but we really have no idea.

 

[meanspartan]

That's exactly the mystery Sylens is referring to in the post-credits scene. There has been lots of speculation, but we really have no idea.

Awesome, got it. Thanks everyone for bearing with me with my questions. Never expected this game's story to suck me in so much!

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

Awesome, got it. Thanks everyone for bearing with me with my questions. Never expected this game's story to suck me in so much!

No one did, really. That's one of the things that makes this so impressive from GG.

 

[Kalentan]

I don't think there would have even been a Sun King in the first place had humanity had the knowledge of Apollo and the proper training before being let out of the cradles.

They probably would have colonizing the moon and mars had Apollo not been deleted.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/wiki/APOLLO_Update

So that one makes it seem like Apollo was actually created by the Oddyssey people, then project zero dawn took it and ran with it for their work. Is that correct?

They swapped Apollo for some tech from the odyssey. I think it was on cloning, which the Odyssey people have perfected

 

[shiba5]

No Apollo was created by Samani as an extension of her lifes work. When Ted announces he killed Apollo several of the Alphas run over to Samani to comfort her as Ted killed did not just destroy the future knowledge of humanity but basically murdered her child.

That bit of animation was really powerful. The animators could have left everyone sitting down, but having them run over to her as she breaks down made the scene hit home. And then it got even worse.

 

[wapplew]

That bit of animation was really powerful. The animators could have left everyone sitting down, but having them run over to her as she breaks down made the scene hit home. And then it got even worse.

One of the most memorable scene in the game. Good acting too, the way Faro tell them stop trying to hack into the system, well delivered.

 

[shiba5]

One of the most memorable scene in the game. Good acting too, the way Faro tell them stop trying to hack into the system, well delivered.

That was a great touch too. I would have been the person furiously trying to gain control back.

 

[meanspartan]

It just clicked for me reading other posts that Ted Faro was NOT at the same facility as the alphas. I was under the impression he was there, but in a different area of the facility when he killed the others.

Where was he?

Could he perhaps have frozen himself and then later been the one that sent the signal that hacked Gaia and unleashed Skynet-Hades? (For whatever twisted reason)

Can't wait for a sequel!

 

[meanspartan]

Theory:
-Last scene we see Sylens saying "Your Masters for example, the ones that sent out the signal that woke you. Knowledge has its rewards, don't you think?"
-Odyssey never failed
-They were the 1s that sent the "alien signal" to awake Hades and ordered him to do the job he was designed for so they can come back to Earth
-"Knowledge has its rewards" Odyssey has the alpha-bulid of Apollo, they have the knowledge
-Horizon 2 = survivors (or the people that evolved from them) of Odyssey, who are far advanced now, come back to Earth and something something something
-Either that or Aliens.jpg

I'm thinking this now too, for sure, if it isn't re-awoken Ted Faro.

 

[O_Atoll]

1. Yes it was a colony ship created by a group of secretive billionaires called Far Zenith that was supposed to colonize another planet. It had an alpha version of Apollo but was not a part of Project Zero Dawn. Its anti matter engines exploded as it was preparing to leave the solar system and everything was lost, supposedly.

2. Sylens said he would do everything over again in terms of Hades but with more safe guards. That's what the ending was. He gave Aloy his spear which I suspect was modified to not totally shut down Hades and transport it to his lamp so he can learn more from it including who its "masters" are.

Sylens is an incredible anti-heroe.

 

[shiba5]

It just clicked for me reading other posts that Ted Faro was NOT at the same facility as the alphas. I was under the impression he was there, but in a different area of the facility when he killed the others.

Where was he?

Could he perhaps have frozen himself and then later been the one that sent the signal that hacked Gaia and unleashed Skynet-Hades? (For whatever twisted reason)

Can't wait for a sequel!

He had his own bunker (Thebes).

I have to go back and look, but I think he was holed up in there with some kind of anti-tech cult. I can't remember the name of it.

 

[meanspartan]

Oh another thing - what is this about apollo info being stored in "dna"? I don't really get that.

 

[wapplew]

That was a great touch too. I would have been the person furiously trying to gain control back.

On contrary, Elisabet close the hatch scene was cliche as hell. Oh, door fail to shut, one must sacrifice to save humanity!

 

[firehawk12]

On contrary, Elisabet close the hatch scene was cliche as hell. Oh, door fail to shut, one must sacrifice to save humanity!

I mean, almost everything in the game is a cliche. They just sell it really well. lol