Ha, that was mine too. I somehow managed to spear two of them at once too.
Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread
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Ha, that was mine too. I somehow managed to spear two of them at once too.
broscientific
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Just curious, did you play on Hard the first time through?
I started off the game on Very Hard, and it was a fun challenge for a while, until I started just getting 2-shot by machine's melee attacks; downgraded to hard and it was the perfect difficulty
And_Gignac
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#TedFaroDidNothingWrong
#ApolloWasAmistake
#ApolloWasAmistake
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
I love how they built an AI specifically to destroy everything in case everything goes wrong.
After letting the story simmer in my head I have come to the conclusion that the story would not have worked in a focused linear game. For a long time I thought that open world games could never have strokes that could match focused linear games (expect maybe Red Dead) because of the nature of open world games. Now I think that the problem is that devs write stories to throw into their worlds indead of crating stories for their worlds.
Horizon's story and the world itself build off of each other very well. So well that taking the open world out of it would lessen the impact of the story. In most other open world games the story feels like it was thrown in at the last second and feels very detached from the world itself.
Horizon's story and the world itself build off of each other very well. So well that taking the open world out of it would lessen the impact of the story. In most other open world games the story feels like it was thrown in at the last second and feels very detached from the world itself.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
For me it's similar to the early AssCreed games (the Ezio trilogy I guess), when the world building carried out through the various lore dumps and cutscenes was enough to make it an interesting experience. As long as they don't fuck it up like Ubisoft and have the third game be about playing as a Guerilla Games beta tester in a VR simulation and kill off Aloy by chopping her into pieces to be studied and dissected, they're probably fine. lol
LastMinuteHero
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Now that's smart way of putting it
Nah I'd rather she stay the former. We need more upbeat, sarcastic, hopeful and strong protagonist
MegaSackman
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I wonder what will they do with the knowledge that Aloy has about the old ones, her initial reaction was to play along and keep the information close to her chest rather than spit everything in everyones faces. It works kinda like a superhero hiding her superpowers.
Still sad that nobody knows who Elizabeth was and did for mankind.
She might actually share the info but I can imagine how devastating could be cor the Nora and their way of life.
Still sad that nobody knows who Elizabeth was and did for mankind.
She might actually share the info but I can imagine how devastating could be cor the Nora and their way of life.
Varl is definitely gonna go down there. The cultural ramifications for the Nora could be something. Will they rebel, or will they worship the technology that is the All-Mother?
STILLethal
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Probably been discussed but - all of Apollo's data was put in a capsulated DNA (not sure what the exact expression is) because it was the only way to get all of that large data transferred into.
Whatre the chances of all that data being stored inside Aloy (or something of that nature) when GAIA created her? Maybe GAIA made a backup of Apollo and hid it in case of emergency?
(is such a thing even possible? Aliens.gif)
Whatre the chances of all that data being stored inside Aloy (or something of that nature) when GAIA created her? Maybe GAIA made a backup of Apollo and hid it in case of emergency?
(is such a thing even possible? Aliens.gif)
I'm surprised at how deep some of the character motivations are in this game. Meaning, they aren't just who they are at face value. There's some depth there. Some of them want the right thing for the wrong reasons and vise versa. I'm not saying characters like this are unheard of in games, but it's still nice and surprising to see.
Also, I wonder what Ted Faro spent the remainder of his life doing. Wonder if he did any other damage we don't know of, or anything of importance at all.
Also, I wonder what Ted Faro spent the remainder of his life doing. Wonder if he did any other damage we don't know of, or anything of importance at all.
STILLethal
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Hes a trillionaire. Hes still alive imo, kept cloning himself over and over again or something that would make him live forever, or at least his intelect. Theres no way they would create such an evil fuck and get rid of him like that without even showing him for real
Ah, wow. That's a really good theory. Hadn't thought of that.
Or, if not her, another person you have to track down in the world and Aloy carries the encryption key or something in her DNA.
Sylen's main motivation seems to be an appetite for knowledge - although no apollo, HADES could teach him a lot of fundamentals. Hence him not wanting to kill it. But presumably GAIA would have similar information so why not work with Aloy to fix up GAIA, try to stop the derangement and still learn a lot?
I expect he'll be blind/stupid enough to think he can control HADES to get information without allowing it to get loose. Which of course it will.
And Aloy overrode the cauldrons - so does that mean they are purged of hestaephus(?) control and will produce 'clean' robots again, or no robots and they'll become an endangered species
I expect he'll be blind/stupid enough to think he can control HADES to get information without allowing it to get loose. Which of course it will.
And Aloy overrode the cauldrons - so does that mean they are purged of hestaephus(?) control and will produce 'clean' robots again, or no robots and they'll become an endangered species
Note Sylens last speech to Aloy where he notes he'd do it all again he notes, just with better precautions.
He's going the HADES route as that gives him control. He's in charge. Partnering with Aloy means giving her control as she has all the access. It's obvious from his actions in ZD that he only turns to Aloy because he has no other option to gain control of HADES and hopes to use her to gain access to APOLLO. Once that's gone his interest drops.
I like that his intentions remain shrouded. He's at most an anti-hero currently and I like the ambiguity.
Going forward though they are going to have to firm up what he's after and his motivations.
Does he hope to rule the new human world emerging from the ruins? Knowledge and a working Horus would give him that provided no other major intervention was possible from outside.
Is he interested in joining those who triggered HADES spilt from GAIA? Could be. They must know more than him by implication and have a grand plan he may be interested in aligning to.
Or maybe he really is just after knowledge and can't resist risking trapping HADES to keep open a path to learning more. As he notes his Quantum Mechanics lessons are overdue so maybe he's just a completion-ist.
Not sure on the cauldrons whether they're shut down or the idea is merely you gained their protocols allowing for overriding machines. Given they're source of machines for changing world and their controlling routine is responsible for making robots resist humans to protect the robots from being hunted that's also going to need clarified going forward.
Unless they take another route to deliver combat with robots I'm assuming its going to turn out Aloy merely gained their protocols but they remain in control of Hephaestus who produces even more defense robots in reaction.
Whoever overrode GAIA was only recent, right? Like 19 years ago - trigger meltdown and Aloy's birth. So it would have to be someone from the 'modern' times. Possibly by accident, otherwise how would they have the knowledge? I'm really curious what they do with that storyline.
Also I want to know more about how the first humans managed out in the wilds without apollo support. The logs all make them sound like adolescent brats being cooped up and then let free, but I assume that was just the last of them when they ran out of food?
Why wouldn't they be allowed back in - the world should be safe with no machines. And why would they run out of food - a system designed to bury a new human race should have considered how to have enough food.
Also I want to know more about how the first humans managed out in the wilds without apollo support. The logs all make them sound like adolescent brats being cooped up and then let free, but I assume that was just the last of them when they ran out of food?
Why wouldn't they be allowed back in - the world should be safe with no machines. And why would they run out of food - a system designed to bury a new human race should have considered how to have enough food.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
#EclipseLivesMatter
Man, fuck Ted. I still can't get over how much is hate that guy. Lol
Nope, he just made a series of robots with an AI that are capable to reproduce ithemselves and needs biomass as fuel to do so.
I mean, how in the fuck you're in the drawing board and think "yep, this will surely not cause these robots to use nature, animals and even ourselves as a fuel"?
Honestly, I felt it was a little dumb (on an otherwise great story) that such robots were even greenlighted.
I just imagined it was a lot like the 100 (CW TV Show) very similar themes to Horizon.
MatrixMan.EXE
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One thing, which I'm not sure was explained. There's a point at which someone (probably Aloy) mentions that it's strange that ultra aggressive/weaponised machinesl like the ThunderJaw and Ravager are being created. I finished all of the Cauldrons and Aloy extrapolates about the fact that Hephaestus is essentially marching to the beat of it's own drum. Could there be more to this?
We know that the sub-components of GAIA become independent, but are there any theories as to why Hephaestus is creating weaponised machines?
We know that the sub-components of GAIA become independent, but are there any theories as to why Hephaestus is creating weaponised machines?
FlutterPuffs
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I would like to think Faro greenlit using biomass energy as sort of a fuck you to Sobeck, for working to save the environment.
Funny you should say that. I do think there's a good reason we never actually see Ted's face. I bet we've seen his clone already somewhere...
I would like his explained as well. If the machines' purpose were to help remake the world, why in the hell do they need lasers?
General view is the AI - freed from GAIA's control - is responded no to machines destroying robots.
Before GAIA self destructed seems the human hunting of machines was tolerated, perhaps as GAIA was self aware enough to see how they were using parts to rapidly improve their capabilities. I'd guess with Apollo gone GAIA also figured she had to let them develop as they would.
Once split though Hephaestus AI decided the destruction of machines had to be combated and started arming them and programming them to aggressively respond to humans.
Whether there's more to it than indicated in ZD guess we've got a long wait to find out.
FlutterPuffs
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Security measure against humans, which have been harvesting and hunting machines.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Even if you agree with his intent, unilaterally sabotaging a sophisticated system that represents the very future of life itself is a pretty fucked up thing to do. That wasn't his choice to make, and he made his choice without any regard for the consequences.
FF Seraphim
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Elizabeth straight up tells him how dumb he was in one of the story scenes.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
This had a very similar interplay between past and present as Uncharted 4, where the present protagonists and antagonists are repeating the cycles of those in the past, and in both games the true villains are long dead but their actions continue to haunt the world long into the future.
It's a theme that works very well in a videogame as they can excel in environmental storytelling in a way other mediums can't. It's interesting that Naughty Dog and Guerilla reached similar conclusions.
It's a theme that works very well in a videogame as they can excel in environmental storytelling in a way other mediums can't. It's interesting that Naughty Dog and Guerilla reached similar conclusions.
Maybe they are repurposed equipment? Like the stormbird lightning gun is actually designed to create ozone at high altitudes?
But the fact they attack humans at all suggests the derangement is linked to Hephaestus splitting off. The people in the world only ever mention the animals becoming aggressive - I don't think they talk about new types appearing?
That is exactly how the derangement started. Hephaestus just wants his machines to do their job. Humans are threatening their ability to do the job--> give them defensive capabilities. Gaia was the one keeping them all running within the parameters needed to make a safe, clean place for humanity. She was the engineer in the boiler room, turning dials and pulling levers to keep the machine humming along. The question is how capable are all of the sub routines now that they are unshackled from GAIA. Though HADES is competent and manipulative, he is still trying to accomplish what he was programmed to do just unchecked.
There is supposedly more dangerous machines out to the west. That's all we know so far about that. When people explained the derangement they made it seem like there were new machines that came from time to time though, likely machines we are fighting right now.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
At the very least, Sawtooths are specifically mentioned as being a new machine. Probably safe to assume Thunderjaws and Stalkers are too, as I can't think what their ecological function would be.
Just beat the game, the first platinum I've ever gotten and I did it in a single play through.
I'd like to see Rost's story as stand alone DLC, the narrative given in-game lends itself very well to it.
Lot of different directions they can go with a sequel, should be very interesting.
I'd like to see Rost's story as stand alone DLC, the narrative given in-game lends itself very well to it.
Lot of different directions they can go with a sequel, should be very interesting.
STILLethal
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Thing about it is for a Rost DLC to work - they would have to make new areas, if I'm not mistaken - he went to The Forbidden West to seek revenge. So GG would have to make new landscapes, new enemies, and other things. Not sure if they'll go that way for now because it would take a lot of time/budget? But you never know.
They'll likely make some new areas for DLC as The Witcher 3 has more or less made that a standard for "meaningful" DLC. Some limited map expansion into the Forbidden West would serve both new content for Aloy as well as the travels of Rost.
They have a very dense map as it is, don't see how they'll cram much more in there other than doorways into separate ruins.
MegaSackman
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You mean the very last battle right? because he is fighting for you on the field close to the ridge.
forgeforsaken
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He does, you must have just missed him. I was able to talk to him pre-fight and even ran past him at one point in all the chaos.
I wonder what that would mean for a sequel. Is it possible to have new types of machines? They all served a purpose. Maybe if HESPHAETUS senses a new threat from what Sylens & HADES does?
Hmmm, I saw Nil during the fight, but not before. I didn't see Vanasha at all, which is who I really wanted by my side.
Technically speaking they can make as many sequels as they want using all the subordinates with the final game having Gaia as the main antagonist.
MegaSackman
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They were on the ridge, it was an optional quest where you could talk with all the friends you've made just before the battle.
There's a quest that implies that the Stalkers were created for one purpose - to kill humans. Hephaestus created them because humans were threatening his other creations. Probably the same with Sawtooths that showed up earlier.
The Thunderjaws look like they may have originally served a purpose terraforming - they have scoops that make up their jaws like big earth movers. Hephaestus decided to put lasers on them.
Just finished.
Probably the most beautiful open-world game I've ever played with some amazingly consistent and impressive art and character design.
But. I feel like it's the top layer to a pretty shallow world. I felt the whole time that I should be more invested than I was. 95% of the emotional and story beats fell flat to me because they were nearly all rushed.
The lore is decent when viewed from a distance in completion but the way it's presented to you is nearly all in huge dumps that slow the game to a crawl and make you feel like you're listening to a podcast where a inquistive girl interrupts you every five minutes.
Really liked Aloy as a character. I felt she was strong without being arrogant and independent without being preachy to the player (e.g. Lara craft reboots).
I wanna do another post later about Sylens. I think he's the worst thing about this game for multiple reasons.
Combat is excellent but obvious improvements could be made in a sequel such as pathfinding, situational animation/traversal for Aloy, being stunlocked by certain enemy combinations.
Probably the most beautiful open-world game I've ever played with some amazingly consistent and impressive art and character design.
But. I feel like it's the top layer to a pretty shallow world. I felt the whole time that I should be more invested than I was. 95% of the emotional and story beats fell flat to me because they were nearly all rushed.
The lore is decent when viewed from a distance in completion but the way it's presented to you is nearly all in huge dumps that slow the game to a crawl and make you feel like you're listening to a podcast where a inquistive girl interrupts you every five minutes.
Really liked Aloy as a character. I felt she was strong without being arrogant and independent without being preachy to the player (e.g. Lara craft reboots).
I wanna do another post later about Sylens. I think he's the worst thing about this game for multiple reasons.
Combat is excellent but obvious improvements could be made in a sequel such as pathfinding, situational animation/traversal for Aloy, being stunlocked by certain enemy combinations.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I think Faro's decision might have had some nuance if he didn't murder everyone before doing it. At that point, he's a billionaire fuckhead who thinks he's better than everyone and that he is worth more than the "normals".
anonymous_abc
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Really enjoyed my time with the game. Very satisfying to take down big dinosaur, even when I would cheese them when I could in early game stages.
e.g. the first giant monster thing in the basement area I was able to roll back into the hallway to take him out in peace and quite from above.
e.g. the first giant monster thing in the basement area I was able to roll back into the hallway to take him out in peace and quite from above.
SiegfriedFM
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Wait, so you could have different people helping in the final battle? I had the Nora guy provisioning for the cannon battle and some girl who was hitting on Aloy. Then for the final battle I had Varl, Sona and Erend. Only Varl and Erend showed up for the victory scene though - maybe I missed something in the chaos.
It was neat to see all the Nora people inside the mountain as well, including that cute healer.
I didn't finish nearly all quests, and I don't think I'll go back and do that anytime soon with Nier, Rain World, DS3 and Persona 5 knocking on the door. But I liked the ones I did. I never bothered with hunter quests though.
I was briefly confused about the projects. I initially thought the Faro Plague was literally designed to wipe out life to stop the machines, although that seemed too much like The Matrix. I liked the entire "mankind is doomed, what comes next?" setup. Reminded me a little of Neal Stephenson's Seveneves and also a bit of Frank Herbert's The White Plague, with a focus on the smartest people coming together to find some way to maintain the legacy of mankind. Although there is definitely Terminator and Matrix in there as well.
As a coincidence, I was just reading a reprint of the old Franka comics. These were made in the Netherlands and star a red-haired heroine.
It was neat to see all the Nora people inside the mountain as well, including that cute healer.
I didn't finish nearly all quests, and I don't think I'll go back and do that anytime soon with Nier, Rain World, DS3 and Persona 5 knocking on the door. But I liked the ones I did. I never bothered with hunter quests though.
I was briefly confused about the projects. I initially thought the Faro Plague was literally designed to wipe out life to stop the machines, although that seemed too much like The Matrix. I liked the entire "mankind is doomed, what comes next?" setup. Reminded me a little of Neal Stephenson's Seveneves and also a bit of Frank Herbert's The White Plague, with a focus on the smartest people coming together to find some way to maintain the legacy of mankind. Although there is definitely Terminator and Matrix in there as well.
As a coincidence, I was just reading a reprint of the old Franka comics. These were made in the Netherlands and star a red-haired heroine.
MegaSackman
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I think Talanah joins as well for the final battle but I can't recall. The rest is just as you described.
Vault Dweller 111
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That fight with Helis, all through the game I had just been picking the option that I most felt Aloy would be feeling at that time. But when the Helis options turned up I didn't know what would happen. The love option seemed a good choice, BUT I didn't know if that would end up sparing him, which I definitely didn't want. Remembering Rost I chose aggressive (for the first time all game I think) and it was fucking brutal. Aloy got really dark. Kind of badass, but now that I'm pretty sure he would have died no matter what I wish I had picked the love option which was about her feeling regret for all the wasted life, right? That sounds more Aloy to me.
I don't know why I care so much. But I really grew to like Aloy, seeing her destroy a man mentally while also stabbing him to death was harsh.
I don't know why I care so much. But I really grew to like Aloy, seeing her destroy a man mentally while also stabbing him to death was harsh.