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Hostage situation at a church near Rouen in northern France (Update: it's over)
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Cool. And people think that the earth is flat. And now?
It's not a myth, it's actually true. Not the second part of your sentence of course, that's just you being flippant. But the fact that Isis violently punishes those who use the term Daesh is true, as they themselves have confirmed many times.
I guess this is the moment to leave this thread. Bye.
MisterFalcon
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Can you post some of these confirmations ?
edit: I think I misread the bolded part.
Wishing for European Trump is mind-boggingly short-sighted and crazy dangerous, of course. A populist like him would almost surely start an all-out war with "Islam" (yes, saying "Islam" is dumb in this context but that's exactly how I mean it ... a populist such as Trump thinks that simple).
Blaming Merkel for not having any values ... that's rich.
The lack of reason, common sense and knowledge in this thread is staggering.
Do you actually believe that? I mean really deep down? I'm curious.
CheDominik
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I am astonished that people refuse to acknowledge the move to the left in soical policiy the CDU has made under Merkel and try to handwave it away.
If the AfD wasn't a bunch of nutjobs that moved towards extremist nonsense, they would be the 2nd strongest party easily IMO.
Mr. Giggles
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Hey guys, just heard this on CBC. Fucking awful.
RIP to the priest.
RIP to the priest.
LelouchViBritannia
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The right and left are as bad as each other. They should both come together and responsibly solve the CLEAR migrant issue for the good of Europe.
Will never happen though. Government and the media are a joke. According to them, this post would probably be considered racist or xenophobic.
Will never happen though. Government and the media are a joke. According to them, this post would probably be considered racist or xenophobic.
There is a thing between moving from the right (where the CDU definitly was, but attentions, there is again a difference between the right and the far right) to the center and beeing center left.
Good idea.
Royal_Phalanx
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That was perhaps true a few years ago. Now though? Nope.
BetterWorldz
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Let me Google that for you.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/what-daesh-mean-isis-threatens-6841468
Royal_Phalanx
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If anything blame the lack of programs to stop radicalization, instead of using vague talking points.
Yes because voter perception doesn't matter right? The AfD defines themselves as a rightwing conservative party, but in reality they are viewed as the new Nazi scum by the general populace not too dissimilar to the NDP. CDU under Merkel has shifted a lot to the left alienating a portion of their old voter base, the only center right party I can think of in Germany is the CSU.
Maedre
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LelouchViBritannia
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I dunno man, some of the nonsense i saw during the brexit makes me think differently. But i digress.
RIP to the priest. Thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends.
Chuckie
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Confirmations in the article: 0
Not saying it is true or not, but the article does not contain what the poster you quoted was asking for.
ClosingADoor
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Or you know, blame the people radicalizing and committing these acts.
If you need programs to stop radicalization, there is a problem already.
Economic policies promoted by Merkel both internal and in the EU are anything but centre-left. Calling Merkel leftist is as stupid as it can get.
Maybe Merkel promoted some left policies in Germany that I'm not aware of. Can you name a few?
And that are the key words
Wait are you really saying that voter perception doesn't matter?
BetterWorldz
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You guys need actual footage from ISIS cutting off a tongue and explaining it to the camera or something? The source is "Evan Kohlmann, a national security analyst at Flashpoint and a contributor to NBC News".
If voter perception would be relevant we would have kicked Greece out of the EU last year, would have send weapons to ukraine while lifting sanctions on russia and left the euro.
The common european working class has shown multiple times in the last 100 years it is not to be trusted with political decision other than voting every 4 years because they can't distinct between actually policy and populism
The CDU has moved "the the left" on social issues; meaning, they have become more socially liberal, which is a good thing in my book. In addition to its anti-immigration/anti-EU positions, the AfD is running on a platform of social conservatism in regards to all the usual issues like "family values", LGBT rights, schooling, religion, climate change, etc. In that regard, it is comparable to where the CDU has been some 20-30 years ago.
That might appeal to social conservatives who feel unrepresented, while other AfD supporters probably have never read the its program and are only aware of the anti-immigration/anti-EU rhetoric.
That might appeal to social conservatives who feel unrepresented, while other AfD supporters probably have never read the its program and are only aware of the anti-immigration/anti-EU rhetoric.
Fantastapotamus
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What is a "confirmation" for you then? ISIS leaders going around confirming that they hate that word?
Chuckie
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First of all I wouldn't want to see that at all.
However the person you quoted wanted a confirmation that ISIS actually punishes people who use the term. As a reaction you post an article which only says two things:
Kohlmann said:
NBC said:
These to me are by no means confirmations whatsoever. And that was what the Gaffer was asking for.
Well they issue a fucking magazine, so yeah that could be something. Some of you seem to have forget the original post:
Anyway like I said, I don't know if it is true or false.... but 'reportedly threatens' =/= fact that has been confirmed by ISIS many times
Yes and all this happened before the current election cycle. How is the current trend in Europe again? Oh look there is a rise of far right political parties because part of the voter base felt alienated. Voter reception matter a lot, even if they only vote every 4 years.
And even regarding your issues, the popular opinion on Greece and Ukraine were very divided even amongst the voter base.
Milly Osworth
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🙄 so many shitheads on this planet.
You killed an innocent old man, good job idiot.
You killed an innocent old man, good job idiot.
MisterFalcon
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There are enough sources to make it plausible people are punished for using the acronym as not using the full name shows a lack of respect.
But that does not mean someone shouting DAESH instead of ad-Dawla al-Islāmiyya fi al-'Irāq wa-sh-Shām while beheading a priest is not an ISIS inspired islamist.
Nicktendo86
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I'm reading reports that at least one of the attackers was known to the authorities and was on a terrorist watch list as he had been arrested for trying to get to Syria.
No links as it's just twitter so might be bollocks
No links as it's just twitter so might be bollocks
Well there you have it.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Sure, they'd be all like "Hey world, we really hate this word! Please don't call us that, that would be super-duper rude. kthxbye"
Not surprising, sadly
The greek crisis was last year when a majority of germans wanted to kick them out. You talk like the far right is even close to somehow win a majority. In reality Afd lost some 5% in polls over the last 3 months.
You talk about the rise of the far right but claim the CDU is now a center left party which would mean german parlament would consist of 80-90% of leftist parties if there were votes today.
If true what we need is not more surveilance but to keep these people who want to go to syria (or were there) in prison instead of letting them run around and commit crimes
Well I'm absolutely stunned.
Nicktendo86
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So a Catholic priest brutally murdered in a Catholic church by people aligned to IS.
Have had the feeling that anger is really taking hold after Nice, this will surely only make that anger even more apparent. Pretty telling that Hollande made his way to the scene very quickly, people will take out that anger at the ballot box in April.
Have had the feeling that anger is really taking hold after Nice, this will surely only make that anger even more apparent. Pretty telling that Hollande made his way to the scene very quickly, people will take out that anger at the ballot box in April.
BetterWorldz
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Sorry that I don't have a subscription to Dabiq so that I can scan an issue for you. Jesus.
No one ever said these guys were not Isis inspired. There is, however, a lot of irony in Isis praising as heroes people they would kill or maim on their controlled territory.
Tatsumi Oga
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Fucking unbelieveable...it's every goddamn day now. What the hell sparked all this? Because the amount of attacks in such short notice stack up in an insane way now. Before Nice it had been pretty quiet since Brussels, right?
And this stuff keeps happening in either France or Germany and once in Belgium. I hope to god The Netherlands stays out of this but i bet it's only a matter of time now. Goddamn man.
And this stuff keeps happening in either France or Germany and once in Belgium. I hope to god The Netherlands stays out of this but i bet it's only a matter of time now. Goddamn man.
Spreading sectarianism as if it is peanut butter, fucking murderous scum
ClosingADoor
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This does seem to be a recurring problem. Weren't those people doing killings last week in Germany also already known by police?
You can't lock up people without reason, but it seems an awful lot of people are on the polices radar and running around free.
I think we'll never be able to untangle their motives..
RIP to the priest and any family / friends affected by this. Sadly this seems to be the new normal. I am fully convinced that these attacks are leading to a much higher likelyhood of a Trump presidency, so hopefully France actually cracks down on these extremists.
well shiver me timbers. now the questions is whether it was a refugee or home grown scum.
Ravensmash
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Absolutely terrible.
Something needs to be stepped up to try and stop this.
If this is another instance of the murderers being "known to police" then questions need to be asked.
Something needs to be stepped up to try and stop this.
If this is another instance of the murderers being "known to police" then questions need to be asked.
Nicktendo86
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I think those in Germany were known for relatively petty crimes, but I could be wrong about that.
Being on a terror watch list is a whole different story though, if true this is scandalous.
What could you possibly do though? Set up a new French Guantanamo style prison? I don't see any ways of keeping these potential extremists at bay.
No I talk like as if the far right is gaining more support, which is fact. Sure the AfD lost 5% in the last few months due to Brexit, but there is no telling if it's only a short term setback or if the voter opinion is going to stick.
MisterFalcon
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There are thousands of people on the watchlist, way too much to keep under surveillance. If they buy tickets to the Middle East or try to buy a ton of fertilizer an alert will be triggered but they can pretty much move around freely.
Kenshin001
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Just clicked on the AFP twitter and saw:
AFP news agency ‏@AFP 42s43 seconds ago
#BREAKING Shots fired at Berlin hospital: police
AFP news agency ‏@AFP 42s43 seconds ago
#BREAKING Shots fired at Berlin hospital: police
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