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[DryvBy]

Every single time I see a shooter that's multiplayer only, I think "how long until the server shuts off" and I lose all interest.

 

[LegendOfKage]

I know how it works. But most people won't care and when the next flagship titles release, people will have forgotten about a possible Concord bomb.

It wouldn't even be the first Playstation game to bomb.

Acting like Playstation will be devalued if Concord bombs is utter nonsense.
Especially with GTA VI coming next year.

Wait, is that what we're talking about? Perhaps I didn't go back enough in your quote chain. Because yeah, I agree with you. If games like destruction allstars didn't devalue PlayStation, I don't see this doing it. It would take a lot of bad games in a row for PS to start losing any momentum.

 

[thief183]

I fell like I'm not the target audience. It can totally fail for what concern me.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The only success you can get out of Concord is to have it utterly and completely fail. To serve as a warning to Sony and other devs that this live-service shit has to stop.

The sooner Firewalk, MM, Haven and some others vanish into thin air, the better for Sony. Lot of dead weight.

 

[hinch7]

If anything this will be a good case study for Bungie/Sony for Marathon. As to not follow in the same footsteps, should they want their game(s) to succeed.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Theres no way this recovers from that reveal.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Theres no way this recovers from that reveal.

Yup. You get one shot and this thing is suicide squad levels of backlash. It's dead.

 

[balls of snow]

Lol fuck me, for 2 days i confused concord with marathon

So this is the firewalk game, not bungie.

It looked a bit too shit to be a bungie game now that i think about it

Ex Bungie so you can see where Marathon's trajectory if the 'Gamers' dont like it.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Yup. You get one shot and this thing is suicide squad levels of backlash. It's dead.

They're sitting on IP's like MAG, Socom and Warhawk and this is what they decide to dump time and money into.

 

[rhodesianshepard]

Yup. You get one shot and this thing is suicide squad levels of backlash. It's dead.

There are loads of examples of bad GAAS games that are actually terrible on release that turn out great(Sea of thieves, FF14 ect). Absolutely dumb to say a reveal trailer makes it DOA when nobody has actually played the game. Press previews at SGF and a beta in July will easily change minds if it is great

 

[SSfox]

Remember Herman hulst killed Japan Studio to invest in Garbage like this.

 

[Bernardougf]

The fact they're using them to clean up Silent Hill 2 remake just tells me the industry is doomed.

Just assume every western developer is using some kind of DEI until this shit hurts their pockets.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They're sitting on IP's like MAG, Socom and Warhawk and this is what they decide to dump time and money into.

All those games would be Gaas though. 100% guaranteed.

It's the only logical evolution for multiplayer games.
So people would be whining regardless.

 

[RoadHazard]

I hope it fails, I want much less of this stuff.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

All those games would be Gaas though. 100% guaranteed.

It's the only logical evolution for multiplayer games.
So people would be whining regardless.

I could live with a gaas version of MAG.

 

[Guilty_AI]

That's practically nobody. There's already ~60M PS5 owners.

ah yes, and every single one of those is dying to get their hands on Overwatch at home here

 

[Astray]

There are loads of examples of bad GAAS games that are actually terrible on release that turn out great(Sea of thieves, FF14 ect). Absolutely dumb to say a reveal trailer makes it DOA when nobody has actually played the game. Press previews at SGF and a beta in July will easily change minds if it is great

People are addicted to shooting off the hip whenever a live-service game gets launched.

I don't play or buy them at all, but I would be insane to presume what that customer segment thinks of a game that hasn't even launched yet. A customer segment that is the majority (and increasingly so) btw.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I could live with a gaas version of MAG.

You and me both.

ah yes, and every single one of those is dying to get their hands on Overwatch at home here

No, and they don't have to.
Point is that those 20K you're talking about (or even 200K) are insignificant. Just like you.

 

[Guilty_AI]

No, and they don't have to.
Point is that those 20K you're talking about (or even 200K) are insignificant. Just like you.

if we go by trailer views, not even hundredth of those 60M are even aware this game exists.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

if we go by trailer views, not even hundredth of those 60M are even aware this game exists.

That's my point, isn't it?

 

[Guilty_AI]

That's my point, isn't it?

They will be aware once a couple dozens youtubers make a video about Sony's new Suicide Squad however.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They will be aware once a couple dozens youtubers make a video about Sony's new Suicide Squad however.

And what happens if the gameplay turns out to be very good and addictive and produces videos with amazing plays from the beta?

Because that's what's ultimately going to make or break the game.

 

[Guilty_AI]

And what happens if the gameplay turns out to be very good and addictive and produces videos with amazing plays from the beta?

Because that's what's ultimately going to make or break the game.

It still has a chance, but from my experience if it looks and smells like an opossum, it is one. No magical "gunfeel" element will elevate this from an Overwatch clone status to a next Helldivers 2 one. Most viable way i can see this game working is through some redemption arc.

 

[SportsFan581]

All those games would be Gaas though. 100% guaranteed.

It's the only logical evolution for multiplayer games.
So people would be whining regardless.

Now that's just sad. Why can't we have some epic co-op games.

 

[SportsFan581]

LOL

They probably need a few more characters in this roster, I'll give you that one.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Now that's just sad. Why can't we have some epic co-op games.

HD2 is an epic co-op.

It's also Gaas.

It still has a chance, but from my experience if it looks and smells like an opossum, it is one. No magical "gunfeel" element will elevate this from an Overwatch clone status to a next Helldivers 2 one. Most viable way i can see this game working is through some redemption arc.

Very possible.

But NMS and FFXIV were epic turds once as well.

 

[SportsFan581]

HD2 is an epic co-op.

It's also Gaas.

I was talking more about traditional games of value, with a beginning, middle, and end. Unique stories, puzzles and challenges and all that.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Now that's just sad. Why can't we have some epic co-op games.

We do have tons of co-op games tho

 

[ManaByte]

The game doesn't even have two months of life in it. Once the BLOPS6 early access campaign pre-orders hit, the game will be massively uninstalled.

 

[SportsFan581]

We do have tons of co-op games tho

Maybe I haven't been paying much attention to those, what are some of the better co-op campaigns to have released recently. BG3 has co-op right?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Maybe I haven't been paying much attention to those, what are some of the better co-op campaigns to have released recently. BG3 has co-op right?

Yes, BG3 has coop. Before BG3 Larian also made Divinity OS2 (and 1) which is also excellent. Apart from those we also had Elden Ring, It Takes Two, Jagged Alliance 3, Risk of Rain 2 (roguelike), Roguetrader, Prodeus... there are more but these come to mind. For puzzles specifically, We Were Here games look good.

 

[SportsFan581]

^ I didn't know ER had a coop campaign.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I was talking more about traditional games of value, with a beginning, middle, and end. Unique stories, puzzles and challenges and all that.

But the games mentioned in the post I was replying to were multiplayer games.

 

[Guilty_AI]

^ I didn't know ER had a coop campaign.

It's invite based co-op. There are some limitations compared to a true co-op campaign but it works. There is a mod that removes these limitations if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Heaven Angel]

These efforts to persuade players into liking a gaas game isn't gonna work.
When players already know their vile tactics to dig holes in our wallets, giving a bare minimum products, enticing players by making funny cinematic trailers.
Giving 1 story based video per week

Their target audiences aren't 7 year old clueless kids what these mega corporations think.
Why force down our throats while the message is clear.

 

[Heaven Angel]

The only success you can get out of Concord is to have it utterly and completely fail. To serve as a warning to Sony and other devs that this live-service shit has to stop.

Agreed.

 

[Guilty_AI]

These efforts to persuade players into liking a gaas game isn't gonna work.
When players already know their vile tactics to dig holes in our wallets, giving a bare minimum products, enticing players by making funny cinematic trailers.
Giving 1 story based video per week

Their target audiences aren't 7 year old clueless kids what these mega corporations think.
Why force down our throats while the message is clear.

Worst part is that i do think its possible to create a "live service" model that attracts SP gamers. We've seen it before, just create a PvE game - preferably with no enforced internet connection - and sell expansions over time, maybe some support packs.

 

[diffusionx]

And what happens if the gameplay turns out to be very good and addictive and produces videos with amazing plays from the beta?

Because that's what's ultimately going to make or break the game.

If the game is great, that is going to help a lot, for sure. That's what established Apex back in the day. But Apex also just dropped out of nowhere and people were like "holy shit this plays amazing" while Concord turned off a lot of people already. Actually according to the Wikipedia they decided to do that because they were afraid of backlash from Titanfall players.

 

[Pallas]

We all knew that not all the GaaS games Sony is developing are going to be successful…this one could very well be one of the failures, not trying to judge but I’m very underwhelmed by Concord. Especially from all the hype it got from Men_in_Boxes and the other Sony stans.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

If the game is great, that is going to help a lot, for sure. That's what established Apex back in the day. But Apex also just dropped out of nowhere and people were like "holy shit this plays amazing" while Concord turned off a lot of people already. Actually according to the Wikipedia they decided to do that because they were afraid of backlash from Titanfall players.

True. I'll reserve judgement until after the previews and beta, but they sure did fuck up the reveal with the Woke nonsense and corny humor. No denying that.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This catalog of characters looks like a parody that an anti-Woke would make to mock the Woke

Literally said to myself that this looks like a Babylon Bee parody game.

Worst part is that i do think its possible to create a "live service" model that attracts SP gamers.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

We all knew that not all the GaaS games Sony is developing are going to be successful…this one could very well be one of the failures, not trying to judge but I’m very underwhelmed by Concord. Especially from all the hype it got from Men_in_Boxes and the other Sony stans.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Worst part is that i do think its possible to create a "live service" model that attracts SP gamers. We've seen it before, just create a PvE game - preferably with no enforced internet connection - and sell expansions over time, maybe some support packs.

That's basically what FFXIV and Destiny did.

 

[Guilty_AI]

That's basically what FFXIV and Destiny did.

I wouldn't count those because the online element is still too strongly attached to the game. I'm speaking of stuff like Deep Rock Galactic, Monster Hunter, Euro/American Truck Sim, Wreckfest, Grim Dawn, and so on.

 

[Heaven Angel]

Worst part is that i do think its possible to create a "live service" model that attracts SP gamers. We've seen it before, just create a PvE game - preferably with no enforced internet connection - and sell expansions over time, maybe some support packs.

Why can't just make a good pure Single Player game out of this then, it'd have got highly positive response all over and would've sold far greater numbers with premium price. Gamers would love to see a game in GOTG like universe.

The SP gamers will probably just go to YouTube and check those weekly story episodes why buy and grind a baseless gaas game. This expansions technique isn't working as good which we've seen past decades. Even SP expansions hardly sells as good as main game. Not worth it.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I wouldn't count those because the online element is still too strongly attached to the game. I'm speaking of stuff like Deep Rock Galactic, Monster Hunter, Euro/American Truck Sim, Wreckfest, Grim Dawn, and so on.

Fair enough. Still had Gaas in the back of my mind.

 

[simpatico]

Remember Herman hulst killed Japan Studio to invest in Garbage like this.

Alloy’s feeder is responsible for this?

 

[Guilty_AI]

This expansions technique isn't working as good which we've seen past decades. Even SP expansions hardly sells as good as main game. Not worth it.

Depends on the games and the nature of the expansion. As i mentioned before, E/A Truck Simulator has been doing it for a decade and still working for them. Naturally you can't keep it up forever - much like you can't GAAS - but its a good way to get extra mileage out of a game without having to re-develop core elements from the ground up.

 

[DenchDeckard]

There are loads of examples of bad GAAS games that are actually terrible on release that turn out great(Sea of thieves, FF14 ect). Absolutely dumb to say a reveal trailer makes it DOA when nobody has actually played the game. Press previews at SGF and a beta in July will easily change minds if it is great

Nope sea of thieves and final fantasy xiv are nothing like this. Nice try though.

Sea of thieves wasn't panned by the gaming community before launch. Maybe sony fans tried to insult it but it sold extremely well and was a success from launch. It was fresh and they built on it.

Final fantasy xiv launched and the negativity qas from the launch version of the game. Square invested to turn it into something good.

I bet that this will never recover. It's too much like overwatch. It's basically sonys bleeding edge.

 

[BlazinAm]

They do have a "Free Agents" section in the trailer which points to weekly hero rotations, popularized by F2P game League of Legends. I could see a full priced version where you get all characters and a free to play version where you're stuck with the weekly Free Agents.

If this is the case then they really should have communicated it. Seems like they are trying to hold things back but they have a beta out in over a month so it is a little late to do that. Also this game is closing in on triple digits budget there is no way it just PVP.