How Microsoft plans to make Xbox great again [The Verge]
- Thread starter DagnastyEp
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Well, their second place is still selling extremely well right now. I'm sure they are happy with Xbox One. It is not some failure like some are trying to make it out to be. It's just that the PS4 is selling at a ridiculous level.
100% agree. And 5's campaign was an absolute blast to play through.
Steverulez
Member
Funny thing is it was the exact same last gen although they did go first, but the wii came in and destroyed it.
The difference being now is that 360 was still doing better for the HD multiplats which they aren't now.
I don't think XB1 is doing "great" but I think it's doing well, they still have things they need to do but it could be worse
VincentMatts
Member
Yeah, both consoles are outselling the previous ones at the same time last gen. So theyre technically both doing great. PS4 is just doing really really well.
Oou thats interesting.. So if they go the gaming PC route, kind of sort of like steam consoles, they wont have to abide by the power limitations, they can still go the route with custom design and still have Panos go to work on creating an affordable masterpiece.
So maybe they will call it the Xbox Surface.. And dub it a gaming system and not a console.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
You didn't have to read the comics, but you did have to play SpOps. You're now arguing that it's inconvenient that you have to play previous games to understand the story? That's certainly taking the lore argument to a whole new level...
Monty Mole
Member
Didn't 360 end up eventually catching up and then outselling Wii though in some territories, including US and UK?
The funniest thing about this generation is how much people cling to what "didn't happen" in 2013 when they released the Xbox One. How "trust" was broken even though it didn't happen because they learned not to do it and didn't ultimately do it. It's like a relationship and your significant other blames you for thinking a certain way even though you didn't take action upon it...and people say actions speak louder than words. LOL. I only bring that up because people in this very forum and over the internets are still talking about it (shoot, someone said something about it in this thread IIRC) as it is the reason for not getting the box. I just find that funny.
I also find funny that people care who's in the lead.
I also find funny that people care who's in the lead.
Some people will never let go what Microsoft "was" going to do vs what they actually did. It's fucking crazy actually. I don't think i've ever seen anything like this in any other industry.
VincentMatts
Member
Most people, myself included, unfortunately sometimes base their firm opinions on first impressions, and never let them go. Ever. The same thing happened with vista, Windows8 and xbox one, no matter how much the product improved over time, people still only saw it as it was when it launched. Its weird.
Well said. Flag waving console warriors, ever on the march. It's especially sad seeing it so much on GAF of all places.
- Market share evaporated (dramatically) everywhere, despite endless price cuts and pack-ins
- Selling below the "failure" ps3
- Will fall behind the worst selling console of last gen (360)
Yeah, they must be very happy.
Killing_Joke
Member
This is the same boat MS has been in since day one. They lack first party.
MS relied on 3rd/2nd party too much last gen. They still have to little to none exclusive content. Now a lot of people are just waiting for inevitable PC ports. With Sony getting all top 3rd party marketing deals, MS is pretty much dead in the water.
MS relied on 3rd/2nd party too much last gen. They still have to little to none exclusive content. Now a lot of people are just waiting for inevitable PC ports. With Sony getting all top 3rd party marketing deals, MS is pretty much dead in the water.
Yet it's selling more than the 360, which was not a failure for them. But okay, it's a complete disaster. Carry on.
Except that DNA still exists in the box. When a KI tournament can't go because the game glitches and suddenly needs that internet connection to verify purchase, when a game gets pulled from the store and it causes even pre-installed, or disc versions of the game to not work.. those are reminders that deep down, it's the system they promised, they just put band aids on it.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
The other consoles aren't exactly glitch-free.
FonkyByNature
Member
I kinda agree with you here. Microsoft plans at first didn't bother me, always online never bothered me, used games and all that. I was gonna get the console based on games and user experience and for that, the Xbox One delivered, well maybe not the user experience at first but you get the point. Microsoft still fucked up their messaging and for that, they're paying for it big time right now. It's a lesson to learn for them. I hope next gen they come kicking like they did for the 360 reveal. Gamer focused, cool factor, cool games, all around a console you wanna have.
I think the XB1 is great, the new UI is great, the games while not as good looking in some places as the competition are still amazing. As long as they focus on making me a happy Xbox gamer, i'm cool with that. The drama that goes with it takes my focus from playing games.
Right now, but it's not going to for long. They had a great November, but every other month is much worse than the 360 that a spiked month won't keep it ahead for long.
It won't end 2016 ahead of the 360
That's a childish way of looking at things.
VincentMatts
Member
And it happens every day on this board in regards to xbox one. Including this thread.
DagnastyEp
Member
I'd say first party is stronger then ever, and has a better focus now then before.
What's wrong with reliance on 2nd party? If you read the article it states how they're going out and trying to establish more 2nd party relationships to ensure new, exclusive content on Xbox One. This end result is still new, exclusive games bred out of a collaborative partnership. Should it matter if the studio is owned by MS or not? The article, and past comments from Phil Spencer seem to indicate their putting more effort into IP they own, rather then trying to make 3rd party deals (like for maps packs)
This is debatable. Outside of listwars which don't prove anything, I find my self more interested in MS's exclusive titles then Sony's each year, and it looks to be the same into next year as well. If I had purchased a PS4 over an XB1, I'd have much less games. I'd say it's more accurate to say you have a preference to exclusives on other systems.
MS has Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 this year, two GOTY nominiess, as well as a few others (Evolve, R6S). Sony had MGS, SWBF, COD, Batman. I would say the two companies were fairly even with regard to "top 3rd party marketing deals."
Well it's inconvenient to play shitty games, which Spartan Ops certainly was.
True, but I don't as of yet have any worry that at any point my games on my PS4 or Wii U could stop working due to authentication errors.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
That's one hell of a tangent to the actual point, bravo.
I hear more about that happening on the PS4 than I do on the XB1.
Please show an article or example. I've not once seen any story of PS4 not playing a disc or digital game after purchase (unless it's an online only game, which is different).
why would microsoft go from having a closed system to a pc with a store that will just turn into something like origin where people only buy EA's games, whilst getting their 3rd party titles else where?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I'm not going to lie, I straight up can't be bothered to hunt any specific examples down. They're out there, though.
Of course that's the reply.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Why would I have any reason to just make it up?
The smarm isn't exactly endearing, by the way.
There have been countless complaints when PSN has been down of people not being able to play their games offline. Even when the console was set to primary. But I have never had a problem on either system, myself.
Why would someone on a game forum say something off base to and not back it up? Not even saying you're for sure doing that, but surely you've seen that before,
The only issue I've ever had, is if you don't put it into offline mode, it keep trying to connect and that fucks things up, but never where I couldn't play a game no matter what. Generally curious to see some examples, because curious if it's system wide or on a game by game basis.
Steverulez
Member
It did, I'm certainly not expecting that to happen again, it'll never match PS4s momentum and I suspect MS won't keep the Xbox One around long enough to do that anyway (as their primary console) but there are some similarities with last-gen too
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It's not my job to research this stuff, sorry about that. From memory it's something to do with PSN being unavailable more often - it tends to require it to be offline to perform maintenance which XBL does not.
Just go back and look in some of the 'PSN is down' threads. The complaints are there. But again, I can't comment on what the issue is, as I have never had this problem on PS4 or Xbox One. Everything has been smooth and easy on that front.
Huh? No they're not...its beating the Wii U only by a few million and its behind its main competitor by a very wide margin...that is really not a good sign that they are "making bank".
What baffles me is that the first two Xbox generations should have been the lessons needed for Microsoft. Something clearly got to their heads and they was caught off guard. It was a rushed console (you could tell as it needed monthly updates and the like) and they've been playing catch up ever since.
Next time will be their PS4 moment but I doubt we'll get another console from them.
Next time will be their PS4 moment but I doubt we'll get another console from them.
Gonna assume it's what I'm talking about. The system really locks up when PSN is down, but works fine in offline mode. Never seen any non-server based games not work offline and will continue to believe that until shown otherwise.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The only way to make Xbox great again is by actually sticking by studios for 2 generations and not 1 (or in a lot of cases, less than 1). Same for new IP. You can't just keep doing this bait and switch shit when you feel youve done your bit and can get out quick.
Headlines like the Phantom Dust stuff should be the absolute antithesis to your brand. Keep supporting that project, youre fucking Microsoft who can dump billions like its nothing. You want to keep killing studios through shenanigans? Enjoy that bad rep. Enjoy that bad rep that stigmatises you for 2 generations.
Thats what it takes too. You need to throw a whole generation of sucking up continuously to get back in the game. Its what Sony did after the PS3 launch, they really fucking turned it around by the end.
I'm still getting half hearted feelings from MS.
Headlines like the Phantom Dust stuff should be the absolute antithesis to your brand. Keep supporting that project, youre fucking Microsoft who can dump billions like its nothing. You want to keep killing studios through shenanigans? Enjoy that bad rep. Enjoy that bad rep that stigmatises you for 2 generations.
Thats what it takes too. You need to throw a whole generation of sucking up continuously to get back in the game. Its what Sony did after the PS3 launch, they really fucking turned it around by the end.
I'm still getting half hearted feelings from MS.
Idk
I figured the main story was
Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3 & Halo Reach(yeah yeah it's not like the book , but this was bungies story to tell not nylund)
Leyasu
Banned
Listen, I don't really wanna get involved here, but like the other two have said I have read here on gaf more than a few times that peoples games were greyed out during down times.. I also have colleagues who have not been able to play because of it.
I am on my phone, but I will Google it quickly.
Because it would still have the effect of creating a consumer preference for Windows.
Nadella says there are three products in his org, Azure, Windows, and Office. Everything else is a feature or part of those three things to make them better. He's explicitly said that Xbox part of the strategy to drive Windows.
Projects get cancelled all the time. Even Sony has their fair share of cancelled projects and studio closures. Sometimes things just don't work out.
Just for future arguments sake, the burden of proof does kinda lie with you if you make a claim that "the others do it too" and provide nothing to back it up. Like in a proper argument you can't just go "it's there go look it up" when having a proper discussion with someone. Otherwise we can all just make claims all day and say that and somewhere on the internet we'll find some crazy blog that can back our claims.
Here's an example, I can say the Xbox has a secret gpu that can be activated at any time. I show no proof, and say go look it up and you come across the misterxmedia blog that says those exact things. If i present that here in the discussion so everyone can see what the source is and where it comes from others can say "oh shit that source is wrong" or anything to that avail.
This way people will also take your post seriously.
Here, this time I'll help you out, http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-ps4-glitch-that-made-some-games-unplayable-sh/1100-6421877/
Yes, you are right, systems do have problems, but lets discuss things like adults.
paragonpro
Banned
But but, I need to justify my purchase! And its not cool to like the xbox one! What will the forums think of me!? Seriously its kind of obnoxious that whenever microsoft pr says anything there needs to be a 400 post gaf threads consisting almost of "still not buying one" and "lead platform" and the power difference, which news flash to someone who owns both systems now, is negligable and is made to be a bigger deal than it is so people can have a fighting point. Its the same shit every time really.
serversurfer
Member
Why would they do that? We just had another 1.3M Americans cast their vote in support of forced parity. More, if you count all the people who bought software and other stuff from them. Hell, last Nov 21-27 saw the second-highest amount of support for forced parity ever in the US. So collectively, we Americans seem intent on imposing forced parity wherever possible.
That's why as gamers, we should all be happy the US isn't the world, because if it were, we wouldn't have cross-platform play in SF5 and Paragon, or PSVR support in Project Cars, and all of these great indy games would get delayed until the Bone port could be made ready too, or be forced to release on XBox first so the devs don't starve to death in the interim.
VincentMatts
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But theyll go out of their way to remind you that theyre not buying one in that 400 post thread. Just in case you forgot about it.