Will the Thrill
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I can only hope we get a Giantbomb quicklook of this.
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HTC Vive Launch Thread -- Computer, activate holodeck
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I can only hope we get a Giantbomb quicklook of this.
Wowfunhappy
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Y'know, now that Valve is letting other companies make products with positional tracking...
...remember Webkinz? There could be a market here!
metareferential
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Finally got around trying Apollo 11 VR.
Holy cow. Actually docking the module and landing the eagle is amazing.
Incredible experience if you like space. And to think this is a very early VR project...man.
If you want a couple hours of space wonder, buy this "game".
Holy cow. Actually docking the module and landing the eagle is amazing.
Incredible experience if you like space. And to think this is a very early VR project...man.
If you want a couple hours of space wonder, buy this "game".
This might have been mentiond before, but here's a great blog post about locomotion by a Budget Cuts dev: https://medium.com/neat-corp/the-design-of-the-portal-locomotion-2677f3b3f9b5#.wl1uljdeb
Same here.
Will the Thrill
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You guys seen this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p9Cx4iX47E&&ab_channel=Mindshow
Seems pretty cool! Rigs character models to you so you can perform as them and play it back. You can sign up for early access but there's a queue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p9Cx4iX47E&&ab_channel=Mindshow
Seems pretty cool! Rigs character models to you so you can perform as them and play it back. You can sign up for early access but there's a queue.
I have so many dumb fucking ideas already in mind.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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That looks incredible, I can already imagine the kind of crazy stuff people will come up with.
Is there a similar system for creating game assets like animations?
I'd love to be able to "act out" certain animations and then use them in a game.
Enordash
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Thanks for sharing!
Dude, this looks so cool. I'd probably just use it to make stupid things for my friends, but still, I want in.
metareferential
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Charles Alan Ratliff
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Mindshow looks pretty cool. It reminds me of when Source Filmmaker was first revealed and how excited I got about that. This will probably be a lot more fun to make stuff with, though. I've always wanted to do performance capture.
Wowfunhappy
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How do I transport my Vive such that the lenses won't get scratched. Need to leave in a few hours and I'm getting VERY nervous about this, I didn't think it through very well.
I can't find the original packaging. I have the box, but I can't find the piece of foam that the headset fits into.
I can't find the original packaging. I have the box, but I can't find the piece of foam that the headset fits into.
Today I tried the "The Lab" renderer Valve released for Unity for the first time.
... UE4 (and base Unity for that matter) really need a well implemented, adaptive forward rendering option like this. As long as your materials work with it, the performance (and therefore IQ) bump is amazing. I'd describe it, but you all know The Lab's IQ.
... UE4 (and base Unity for that matter) really need a well implemented, adaptive forward rendering option like this. As long as your materials work with it, the performance (and therefore IQ) bump is amazing. I'd describe it, but you all know The Lab's IQ.
Wowfunhappy
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So is it possible to explain in _relatively_ non-technical terms what's holding back wider implementation of the renderer? I've heard devs say it's very difficult to implement.
In Unity you mean?
Well, whether or not it's difficult to implement depends on a few factors I'd say:
- How far you are into developing your project already. I mean, if you plan on using it from the start then it takes all of 5 minutes to integrate. If you have a massive amount of development already done which depends on some specific features it will get a lot more complicated.
- Whether you use a lot of (e.g. asset-store-bought) props which use custom materials that don't cleanly auto-convert to the renderer.
- Whether you use some post-processing passes not designed to deal with adaptive quality.
But overall I think the renderer is pretty easy to set up, and surprisingly well documented by any standard and particularly for something released by Valve
I'm dying for UE4 to get dynamic resolution support, but what advantages does the Valve renderer bring to Unity outside of that?
fake edit: I noticed Oculus did their own forward renderer for UE4.11, huh. That fills me in on deferred vs forward for VR, a little.
fake edit: I noticed Oculus did their own forward renderer for UE4.11, huh. That fills me in on deferred vs forward for VR, a little.
GuitarAtomik
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My understanding is that it breaks or makes inaccessible a lot of custom stuff and is really only good for making experiences very similar to the Lab (like small environments for example). The guy who makes Hot Dogs, Horse Shoes, Hand Grenades has gone relatively in depth in to why it's not a one size fits all solution a few times on Reddit that I'd link if I wasn't on mobile.
So I picked up a Vive today and I have to say that Rec Room is amazing. It's so sociable, I never expected that. I was talking away to complete strangers and having fun with them.
The paintball game is fantastic and so much fun. I am really blown away with how good this is, and it's free.
The paintball game is fantastic and so much fun. I am really blown away with how good this is, and it's free.
Astral/H3X
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That looks awesome as hell. Will definitely download when I get back to my vive on the 20th.
Sleeping Lesson
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Hot damn Rec Room is fun. Paintball is so simple but works so well, and I spent 15 minutes throwing a Frisbee with a total stranger.
Grabbed Raw Data and have to say I am a bit disappointed with the game graphically? Like it looks nice and the game is fun but the graphics just don't work for me. Things would look nice if the image was cleaned up more, but if I turn it up to 1.1x I get that reprojection issue.
I'd like to enjoy the game but it's difficult with the textures being so jaggy. Playing off a 1070 and a 4770K.
THIS EXACTLY.
EDIT: Apparently turning off the desktop rendering can get a pretty big performance increase? I do have a 4k TV connected like someone else mentions, that would explain why performance is so rough if the desktop render is running @ 4k.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4w95f6/disabling_raw_data_desktop_view_for_performance/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4t0en8/raw_data_performance_advice/
I'd like to enjoy the game but it's difficult with the textures being so jaggy. Playing off a 1070 and a 4770K.
THIS EXACTLY.
EDIT: Apparently turning off the desktop rendering can get a pretty big performance increase? I do have a 4k TV connected like someone else mentions, that would explain why performance is so rough if the desktop render is running @ 4k.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4w95f6/disabling_raw_data_desktop_view_for_performance/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4t0en8/raw_data_performance_advice/
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I was playing table tennis with a German guy and the developer of Lucid Space Dream for around an hour the other day. It is good, especially for free.
I put a lot of love into this. Been working on it with some super talented people. Glad you like what you see! Was wondering if neogaf would catch wind of it.
So it sounds like Obduction, the new game from the creators of Myst, will be getting official Vive support. Previously they had only announced support for Rift, but this is from a new "Backer receipt" email they just sent out:
Non-VR version releases on the 24th of this month.
Non-VR version releases on the 24th of this month.
josecitoxnyo
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I just built a PC for a friend for his Vive, clean windows install with only drivers and Steam, and the Vive or anything VR related works like crap. Performance is a mess, 30-40fps on any game or even the steam hub, i don't know what could be happening.
His config.
i7 6700k
Gigabyte Z170x G1 Gaming
32gb DDR4 3200 Corsair Vengeance LED
Samsung 950 Pro 256gb NVME SSD
Gigabyte GTX1080 G1 Gaming
Coolermaster V650 PSU
The Base Stations are connected with the sync cable, already tried direct mode disabled or enabled, nothing changes. I installed the latest Windows 10, 1067 i believe, motherboard drivers, latest Nvidia drivers and just Steam, any ideas what could be happening??? : /
His config.
i7 6700k
Gigabyte Z170x G1 Gaming
32gb DDR4 3200 Corsair Vengeance LED
Samsung 950 Pro 256gb NVME SSD
Gigabyte GTX1080 G1 Gaming
Coolermaster V650 PSU
The Base Stations are connected with the sync cable, already tried direct mode disabled or enabled, nothing changes. I installed the latest Windows 10, 1067 i believe, motherboard drivers, latest Nvidia drivers and just Steam, any ideas what could be happening??? : /
Dreams-Visions
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Is it just VR? Is the system benchmarking okay? Other games good?
^ Yeah, you should first run 3DMark or something to see if general performance is affected.
It's a single-pass forward renderer which supports up to 18 dynamic lights in that single pass. The primary advantage of that is that you can use MSAA (relatively cheaply), and 8xMSAA just looks far and away better than any other AA solution in VR.
For those interested in Titan X performance in VR, I installed mine today and spent a few hours testing out some applications and playing around with supersampling. I haven't seen any official benchmarking yet for this card in VR; not surprising since VR benchmarking in general seems objectively challenging. I have not overclocked the card yet, just set a moderate fan curve to keep the card cool enough where it won't throttle and stays at 75C or below.
I've set my supersampling in all applications to 2x. Previously I was at 1.5x in my 980ti and saw a big jump in clarity, and once I moved to 2x it really makes a huge difference in text readability and visibility of distant objects. I'm able to run Nvidia VR Funhouse at high settings in 2x SS with no dropped frames. Raw Data can be run on Epic setting across the board in 2x with hardly any dropped frames (no frame drops by lowering one or more settings to High). The card is a beast in VR so far from what I'm seeing.
Another major factor I've noticed from going to 2x SS is the feasibility of playing standard games in VR theatre mode. The clarity of the theatre screen in 1x is just not great and text is not easily readable, but once it's bumped around 2x it really improves the experience. I was playing Dead Space for a bit to test it out and it breathed new life into that game.
So far the card really delivers if you want to push supersampling to the limit. I'm sure those who have 1080's overclocked or in SLI already know this. I'm planning on doing some OCing tomorrow and see what I can get at 2.5x SS.
I've set my supersampling in all applications to 2x. Previously I was at 1.5x in my 980ti and saw a big jump in clarity, and once I moved to 2x it really makes a huge difference in text readability and visibility of distant objects. I'm able to run Nvidia VR Funhouse at high settings in 2x SS with no dropped frames. Raw Data can be run on Epic setting across the board in 2x with hardly any dropped frames (no frame drops by lowering one or more settings to High). The card is a beast in VR so far from what I'm seeing.
Another major factor I've noticed from going to 2x SS is the feasibility of playing standard games in VR theatre mode. The clarity of the theatre screen in 1x is just not great and text is not easily readable, but once it's bumped around 2x it really improves the experience. I was playing Dead Space for a bit to test it out and it breathed new life into that game.
So far the card really delivers if you want to push supersampling to the limit. I'm sure those who have 1080's overclocked or in SLI already know this. I'm planning on doing some OCing tomorrow and see what I can get at 2.5x SS.
Pulled the Vive out for the first time in a month or so and played around with some Hot Dogs, Horshoes & Hand Grenades, and I'm reminded just how fucking cool this thing is.
Some of my brother's friends stopped by, and after some initial trepidation, I got them to try out some stuff, and still, the far and away best thing to show new users is the Archery demo in The Lab (at least, that's been my experience with new users). They had an absolute blast.
Also got them to try the Budget Cuts demo and the Brookhaven demo, and both demos caused them to freak out when the robots/zombies got close, which is always fun to watch (except when the headset and controllers start getting tossed around...haha).
It's really awesome seeing people come to grips with the controls so quickly (especially with people that don't play video games), and when a game gets it perfect (like The Lab), there's very little I have to do for them to have an awesome experience.
I've got a 980 and a 3570k (both heavily OC'd), and those just don't seem to cut the mustard in some aspects, which is a shame, because I really want to check out stuff like Raw Data, but I just can't trust my hardware to provide the experience I want. I'm really looking forward to more games using The Lab's renderer, because that is clearly the best looking/performing game I've got.
Also, I definitely need to get some kind of nice, cushiony floor mat, because standing on stiff carpet does not feel comfortable after awhile.
Some of my brother's friends stopped by, and after some initial trepidation, I got them to try out some stuff, and still, the far and away best thing to show new users is the Archery demo in The Lab (at least, that's been my experience with new users). They had an absolute blast.
Also got them to try the Budget Cuts demo and the Brookhaven demo, and both demos caused them to freak out when the robots/zombies got close, which is always fun to watch (except when the headset and controllers start getting tossed around...haha).
It's really awesome seeing people come to grips with the controls so quickly (especially with people that don't play video games), and when a game gets it perfect (like The Lab), there's very little I have to do for them to have an awesome experience.
I've got a 980 and a 3570k (both heavily OC'd), and those just don't seem to cut the mustard in some aspects, which is a shame, because I really want to check out stuff like Raw Data, but I just can't trust my hardware to provide the experience I want. I'm really looking forward to more games using The Lab's renderer, because that is clearly the best looking/performing game I've got.
Also, I definitely need to get some kind of nice, cushiony floor mat, because standing on stiff carpet does not feel comfortable after awhile.
I can echo these impressions. VR runs like a dream on Pascal Titan X. Even at 2.0 SS, I am not noticing much better performance than Maxwell Titan X at 1.5 SS.
It's more convenient to use chaperone switcher to enable SS:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4q4bu3/update_chaperone_switcher_on_the_fly/
Or even better tool:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4vlyxb/svr3s_per_app_supersampling_switcher/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4q4bu3/update_chaperone_switcher_on_the_fly/
Or even better tool:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4vlyxb/svr3s_per_app_supersampling_switcher/
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PSA: If you have low ceilings, remove the light bulb before family and friends use your Vive...
josecitoxnyo
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I did this all night and performance overall is great, i even reinstalled windows twice to see if there was a driver broken or something, i might try to get an older version, at this point i don't know what else to try lol.
The second one doesn't work for me. I think because my games are installed on a different drive than steam itself.
SS makes a big diff. For some reason a target of 2 was too much for my GPU with space pirate trainer. Constantly using reprojection. 1.4 seemed to work OK with SPT.
2 was fine for job sim.
I have an OC'd pascal Titan X so you'd think something as simple as SPT wouldn't be able to choke it..
Have you tried looking at the frame timing graph in steamvr?
It should be able to tell you what's eating up all render time
metareferential
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I'm starting to consider selling my Rift and current gpu and upgrade my rig... Titan x is tempting.
Mister_Bubbles
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Damn, lol.
Theanine3D
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I just updated my free UE4 VR demo, Star Hill VR, to add Vive support (it was previously Rift DK2-only). I don't actually own a Vive though (yet), so if one of you could test it and confirm that it works with the Vive, I'd appreciate it!
Download is at the bottom.
https://happolygames.itch.io/star-hill-vr
Download is at the bottom.
https://happolygames.itch.io/star-hill-vr
Zalusithix
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I have a feeling that the people claiming 2.0SS as being fine with the Titan X are most likely in reprojection territory. Sure they're not dropping frames, but if you're sensitive to the reprojection artifacts, it's still not a great setting. Especially in games where you have fast moving action.
I was able to run SPT at 2.0SS with no reprojection on a Pascal Titan but I had my GPU clocked at 2000 MHz. GPU usage was hovering around 90%
To be honest in that game I don't see a big jump visually from 1.5 -> 2.0. Vanishing Realms however also ran great and there was a very noticeable difference from going to 2.0 in that game.
To be honest in that game I don't see a big jump visually from 1.5 -> 2.0. Vanishing Realms however also ran great and there was a very noticeable difference from going to 2.0 in that game.
I've only got a 1080p Tv attached but 4770 & a 1070 and have to turn some settings down but SS I can run at 2 (in game not steam VR) setting and definitely not reprojecting
Had to move back from the beta branch to the stable release of steam vr for the first time since May this weekend though due to performance of the latest beta
Not sure how many people are interested but Vive support is planned for Obduction, a game by some of the people behind Myst and Riven. Seems to be in a similar vein as those games too
I posted about this above, but yeah, exciting! We'll see if I can keep myself from playing it until Vive support is released.
Not sure how many people are interested but Vive support is planned for Obduction, a game by some of the people behind Myst and Riven. Seems to be in a similar vein as those games too
Can't wait for this.
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