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[StreetsofBeige]

Team sports are an odd way to compare physical male advantages over woman as you are comparing way more then just physical stats, the entire competition and professional scene can vary widely between genders. Use actual Olympic records instead, while males still have that advantage it is not nearly as lopsided as some team sports would lead you to believe, with woman actually have close records in activities that require stamina and speed. Strength still heavily favours men of course. This is the cream of the crop though, for the average non-professional man and woman the differences between the sexes are usually greater.

That being said, I’m not exactly sure what it’s got to do with most video games. Punching a boulder in Resident Evil is silly for anybody supposed to be a regular human, be it male or female. When it comes to more fantastical elements it really doesn’t matter does it? Do you think it makes any difference to Bayonetta how much men can lift at the gym?

Olympic kinds of events are often time based, distanced based or have some kind of metric which isnt all or nothing like winning a match. So anyone can say someone isnt that bad against an Olympian.

If Usain Bolt runs a 100M dash in less than 10 seconds and myself in university (when I wasnt fat) could run it lets say 13 seconds, it doesn't sound impressive Bolt runs it only 25% faster than me. And against trained high school or college track athletes Bolt only runs 10% faster as they can probably all do it in 11 seconds.

But the gap gets huge when trying to actually beat someone in a full match as it requires someone to beat the other player (or team) for 2 hours.

I can beat Steph Curry in a FT contest. Best 1 out of 1 shot. At some point he'll miss and just by luck I might hit the shot. I win. But if I try to beat him playing horse or who makes the most FT in 100 shots, he'll win every time.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

“Let me stand up for women by associating you with degrading insults about them”.

I’m not standing up for women. I’m standing against starring at a dudes ass for 40 hours

 

[Zathalus]

Olympic kinds of events are often time based, distanced based or have some kind of metric which isnt all or nothing like winning a match. So anyone can say someone isnt that bad against an Olympian.

If Usain Bolt runs a 100M dash in less than 10 seconds and myself in university (when I wasnt fat) could run it lets say 13 seconds, it doesn't sound impressive Bolt runs it only 25% faster than me. And against trained high school or college track athletes Bolt only runs 10% faster as they can probably all do it in 11 seconds.

But the gap gets huge when trying to actually beat someone in a full match as it requires someone to beat the other player (or team) for 2 hours.

I can beat Steph Curry in a FT contest. Best 1 out of 1 shot. At some point he'll miss and just by luck I might hit the shot. I win. But if I try to beat him playing horse or who makes the most FT in 100 shots, he'll win every time.

You can also compare long distance stamina events. Olympics have a 10km sprint, or look at marathon records. Or use individual skill based events like archery, or compare technique in fencing if you really want to hone in on the skill or match aspect. But for team events, or any game sports you screw with the data as you are comparing more than just physical differences. Skill plays a huge role and how that skill is developed or the potential pool of players that are available can vary massively between genders.

Obviously men still dominate in all categories, especially strength, and you narrow the comparisons down to individuals and pure physical data.

 

[PeteBull]

I’m not standing up for women. I’m standing against starring at a dudes ass for 40 hours

U dont look at ur male character ass most of the time u playing from third person perspective view, tho, even if its visible u usually look whats infront of u and at the UI instead
Its the same effect that is ur nose, u know its there, u see it if u look right at it, but normally 99,9% of time u dont even notice it

Thanks to a quirk known as unconscious selective attention, your brain has learned to ignore your nose. A prominent feature that's positioned closely to the eyes, the schnoz could get in the way of our vision – but the nervous system cleverly filters it out. You can choose to look for your nose though.

 

[yanhash]

Tho It only bothers me in military type games when shes giving out orders and shes a military leader, I just dont buy it, i dont buy Female Shepherd in Mass Effect but in general im cool with female protagonists

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You can also compare long distance stamina events. Olympics have a 10km sprint, or look at marathon records. Or use individual skill based events like archery, or compare technique in fencing if you really want to hone in on the skill or match aspect. But for team events, or any game sports you screw with the data as you are comparing more than just physical differences. Skill plays a huge role and how that skill is developed or the potential pool of players that are available can vary massively between genders.

Obviously men still dominate in all categories, especially strength, and you narrow the comparisons down to individuals and pure physical data.

Nobody is saying it's just physical differences. You can tell just watching a WNBA game or women's hockey game, there's also bad positioning, awareness, and the shittiest crazy shots you'll ever see. There's always a weird high school-ish scrambly way women's teams play. But a key reason why they dominate is physical. In teams sports, the avg mens player might only be 10% taller or faster, but that can already lead to domination. In Olympic time or distance based sports, people run their own event as an individual most of the time. So it can just lead to being 10% worse. In a pro sports game played over a few hours, it could literally lead to an NBA team beating a WNBA team 200-20. I made up a score, but you get the idea.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

U dont look at ur male character ass most of the time u playing from third person perspective view, tho, even if its visible u usually look whats infront of u and at the UI instead
Its the same effect that is ur nose, u know its there, u see it if u look right at it, but normally 99,9% of time u dont even notice it

Just admit you like it.

 

[PeteBull]

In a pro sports game played over a few hours, it could literally lead to an NBA team beating a WNBA team 200-20. I made up a score, but you get the idea.

I bet it would be 200 to 0 for the men's team even if it were college guys from NCAA as long as men's team would take the challenge seriously xD

 

[Zathalus]

Nobody is saying it's just physical differences. You can tell just watching a WNBA game or women's hockey game, there's also bad positioning, awareness, and the shittiest crazy shots you'll ever see. There's always a weird high school-ish scrambly way women's teams play.

Is this purely down to physical differences? Or is the skill cap perhaps far lower as there are far fewer players due to a smaller player pool, less competition, less events, far less money and less interest at the sport at all levels? Why not compare sports where the size and scope isn’t nearly as lopsided? Such as Archery or Fencing? Even there men naturally have physical advantages, but the skill gap is far narrower.

 

[JayK47]

I somewhat agree. I do hate that modern games have so many forced elements that it basically turns me off of the game. I used to say give me a choice or a character creator, but even these days they can't even do that right. Modern games essentially make female characters so awful, I would prefer to just not have them.

 

[Kabelly]

I always picked Peach.

Can't think of a single game I didn't play because a girl is the controllable one. Games with character creators I just decide on my mood and which death moans I want to hear.

I'm excited for Lucina. Latina as a main character for a GTA game is fine by me.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Is this purely down to physical differences? Or is the skill cap perhaps far lower as there are far fewer players due to a smaller player pool, less competition, less events, far less money and less interest at the sport at all levels? Why not compare sports where the size and scope isn’t nearly as lopsided? Such as Archery or Fencing? Even there men naturally have physical advantages, but the skill gap is far narrower.

When did I say it's purely down to physical differences? But it's obvious physical advantages and team sports played over a few hours makes the dominant team more dominant.

I dont follow archery and fencing. But just to prove physical is important it sounds like the men are still better at archery and fencing.

 

[PisswasserYellow]

Interesting thread. I've learned that a shocking number of people stare at the character's ass the entire time they play a third person game.

 

[strike670]

No one can be this insecure.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Interesting thread. I've learned that a shocking number of people stare at the character's ass the entire time they play a third person game.

Funny thing is I prefer all my action and RPG games in first person. Only time I care is I want to see my character in the menu screen wearing the latest gear. But that's it.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Honestly, it doesn’t make a difference to me if the game has a female or male protagonist. I do not care about being able to relate to the character, realism, etc. Just make a good game for me to have fun with and to get immersed in. To tell the truth though, admittedly I usually find the female protagonist designs more interesting and even imaginative.

I know why creators do it, but what annoys me is why have a female protagonist when you are essentially going to have them act, talk, look and have mannerisms like a male? If you do that, you may as well just have a male protagonist in it instead.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I bet it would be 200 to 0 for the men's team even if it were college guys from NCAA as long as men's team would take the challenge seriously xD

In hockey, right now the WJH tourney just started. And you got good teams beating up the bad teams like today Czechia beat crappy Kazakhstan 14-2.

Even though Kaz is a bad team (probably the worst rated team in the tourney), the Cze team would beat the women's national team probably 20-0. With full contact hitting allowed maybe even 40-0. I can totally see the team scoring once every 90 seconds.

 

[Nydius]

Tho It only bothers me in military type games when shes giving out orders and shes a military leader, I just dont buy it

Sorry to shake your world view to its core but I’d like you to meet Rear Admiral Amy Bauernschmidt. The first woman to command a US Navy Aircraft Carrier and currently the deputy commander of the entire 7th fleet.

Pretty sure she gives out orders. Edit: And since you brought up Commander Shepard, this part of Admiral Bauernschmidt’s service record might interest you:

executive and commanding officer of the “Spartans” of Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 70 deployed aboard USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) in support of Operation Enduring Freedom

You might not want to “buy it”, but that’s just you choosing to ignore reality.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Look OP is a bit much but if you liked playing Ellie/Abby over Joel and you're a dude, let's face it that's fucking weird.

 

[Danjin44]

Look OP is a bit much but if you liked playing Ellie/Abby over Joel and you're a dude, let's face it that's fucking weird.

I didn't like playing as those characters because I didn't like them (I did liked Ellie in original TLOU)

I has nothing to do if they female or male.

Now if you tell me choose between Jill Valentine or Joel....I will choose Jill every time, no question.

 

[Celcius]

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I didn't like playing as those characters because I didn't like them (I did liked Ellie in original TLOU)

I has nothing to do if they female or male.

Now if you tell me choose between Jill Valentine or Joel....I will choose Jill every time, no question.

I don't know anything about that but Edward Carnby over Emily Hartwood all day every day.

But joking aside. I only ever really played RE1 and RE4, and I'm pretty sure I did do Jill back in the day for aesthetic purposes. But I don't recall RE1 or the original AitD really being that different based on who you play... whereas character driven narratives like Last of Us... yeah that really lost the plot for me. The teenage interracial lesbian discovery DLC in hindsight should have been enough for me to check out but I had the misfortune of giving Part 2 a chance and nah.

There are multiple reasons it didn't work for me, but if I'm being honest, because of the nature of the games, relatability is high on the list.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Interesting thread. I've learned that a shocking number of people stare at the character's ass the entire time they play a third person game.

Point them as I missed everyone.

 

[DrMano]

Just admit you like it.

This 'insult' has the same energy as telling a homosexual "Just admit you're like this because of the devil"

 

[PeteBull]

This 'insult' has the same energy as telling a homosexual "Just admit you're like this because of the devil"

It was playful "insult", more like breaking eachothers balls, i didnt feel offended, got insulted many times by fellow gafers before, in a nasty and serious way, and still i "somehow survived", so no worries.
For old farts from eastern europe "internet violience" isnt really a thing anyways xD

 

[clarky]

What an idiotic statement. I guarantee you a top pro female athlete, like Serena Williams, would wipe the floor against 95% of armatures out there in a Tennis match , regardless of whether they have a ballsack or not.

What a cunt of a statement. Sure a top pro female athlete will wipe the floor with 95% armatures. They are armatures for a reason.

How many top athletes in the world don't have a ball sack?

 

[saintjules]

Not gonna play GTA 6 I'm guessing?

 

[Tams]

Use actual Olympic records instead, while males still have that advantage it is not nearly as lopsided as some team sports would lead you to believe, with woman actually have close records in activities that require stamina and speed. Strength still heavily favours men of course. This is the cream of the crop though, for the average non-professional man and woman the differences between the sexes are usually greater.

Tennis is heavy on the stamina and speed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

My favourite: https://www.essentiallysports.com/w...is-player-at-australian-open-wta-tennis-news/

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

This 'insult' has the same energy as telling a homosexual "Just admit you're like this because of the devil"

This insult joke* has the same energy as the “how do you know you wouldn’t like it” joke.

 

[Moonjt9]

I like cool characters. Full stop.

I respect your opinion though.

 

[Jetpac]

Gotta grow up someday

 

[yanhash]

Sorry to shake your world view to its core but I’d like you to meet Rear Admiral Amy Bauernschmidt. The first woman to command a US Navy Aircraft Carrier and currently the deputy commander of the entire 7th fleet.

Pretty sure she gives out orders. Edit: And since you brought up Commander Shepard, this part of Admiral Bauernschmidt’s service record might interest you:



You might not want to “buy it”, but that’s just you choosing to ignore reality.

I mean that in the sense of active combat, like in a firefight

 

[DoubleClutch]

Sorry to shake your world view to its core but I’d like you to meet Rear Admiral Amy Bauernschmidt. The first woman to command a US Navy Aircraft Carrier and currently the deputy commander of the entire 7th fleet.

Pretty sure she gives out orders. Edit: And since you brought up Commander Shepard, this part of Admiral Bauernschmidt’s service record might interest you:



You might not want to “buy it”, but that’s just you choosing to ignore reality.

My world view isn’t shaken at all. The military just like business has politics, DEI, and the like. Fancy names and positions mean nothing in terms of effectiveness.

And in combat, I personally would never want a female by my side. It’s also why special forces do not allow women in.

 

[marjo]

What a cunt of a statement. Sure a top pro female athlete will wipe the floor with 95% armatures. They are armatures for a reason.

How many top athletes in the world don't have a ball sack?

This is what you originally wrote that I called idiotic:

Sport says otherwise. A woman cant beat a dude at anything other than deception.

I stand by my statement.

And of course you use 'cunt' as a derogative. Probably the least surprising thing I've read.
But don't worry precious, maybe you'll find a nice safe space away from all the mean and scary women out there.

 

[saintjules]

My world view isn’t shaken at all. The military just like business has politics, DEI, and the like. Fancy names and positions mean nothing in terms of effectiveness.

And in combat, I personally would never want a female by my side. It’s also why special forces do not allow women in.

Don't need to make a thread about this. And the other one either.

 

[DoubleClutch]

This is what you originally wrote that I called idiotic:



I stand by my statement.

And of course you use 'cunt' as a derogative. Probably the least surprising thing I've read.
But don't worry precious, maybe you'll find a nice safe space away from all the mean and scary women out there.

Just stop. What’s your ultimate argument? That some women can beat some men at some things? So what, it doesn’t change the fact that on average, average men dominate average women at most physical things.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Gotta grow up someday

 

[DrMano]

This insult joke* has the same energy as the “how do you know you wouldn’t like it” joke.

Fair enough. I guess i read into to it the wrong way. My bad.

 

[Yerd]

Why does everyone need to relate to people in entertainment? Must be boring as fuck having everyone needing to conform to some lifeview you have.

Different views, beliefs and different ways of handling situations due to the multitudes of personality types we all possess is so much more entertaining.

You know, that reminds me of a time, a few years back, when I was in Hell battling demons with my magic spells. I thought to myself, "this is a lot like that time I was shooting aliens in space."

 

[Lethal01]

The problem is not the female character... is the insufferable girl boss with a man body and mans attitudes...

If a personaliy is annoying when a girl got it, its just as annoying on a man. being a woman changes nothing here really.

 

[Raven117]

I just want awesome characters. I don’t have to relate to them. I’m not a fucking child.

If any character is awesome (ie cool, complex, funny, broken, etc.) then I don’t care what their gender is.

I just want quality.

(The issue is that too many of the female protagonist we have gotten in a lot of games are simply gender swaps. Given no development. No story. No flaws. Not written by anyone who actually understands women or how women would approach a situation differently than a man would . And because of this. It all rings hollow)

 

[DrMano]

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If a personaliy is annoying when a girl got it, its just as annoying on a man. being a woman changes nothing here really.

The difference is that male characters (for the most part) get their comeuppance for their terrible attitude, and face the consequences for their actions, unlike boss bitches that tmany games and developers want us to worship the ground they walk on

 

[clarky]

This is what you originally wrote that I called idiotic:



I stand by my statement.

And of course you use 'cunt' as a derogative. Probably the least surprising thing I've read.
But don't worry precious, maybe you'll find a nice safe space away from all the mean and scary women out there.

You are an idiot. How many women are better than men in any sport or competition? Name one.

The is a reason there are no transgender blokes.

 

[clarky]

And in combat, I personally would never want a female by my side. It’s also why special forces do not allow women in.

If i could double gold I would.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

A well written female character will have female issues. Why would I as a man enjoy experiencing that? I don’t. At all.

Boy, do I have a country for you! It’s called Saudi Arabia, you will be happy there - no need to interact with any woman at all! Imagine that!

 

[DoubleClutch]

You are an idiot. How many women are better than men in any sport or competition? Name one.

The is a reason there are no transgender blokes.

The very fact there need to be male and female divisions for any actual competition is all the evidence one needs to know that women cannot compete with men. Biology is reality.

That’s why that other poster needs to go to extremes and build up a strawman to try to add any credibility to his case.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Boy, do I have a country for you! It’s called Saudi Arabia, you will be happy there - no need to interact with any woman at all! Imagine that!

You do understand there is entertainment designed for men and entertainment designed for women, yes?

Where did I say I don’t want to interact with any woman at all?

“I don’t like feminine topics in my entertainment.”

“OMG U HAYTE WOMEN!!!!”

Just a reminder for you that this isn’t Reddit, and there aren’t any major radical feminists here for you to score internet points from.

 

[Spitfire098]

Ain't it kinda gay to always playing as a dude...? Op is so progressive!

 

[Cyberpunkd]

You do understand there is entertainment designed for men and entertainment designed for women, yes?

Or there is entertainment designed for everyone…actually vast majority of it.
Imagine you flip this around: “I’m white, I don’t like to play as a black person”. Sounds kinda racist, doesn’t it?

You mention female characters designed with female experience in mind - really? Show me where you have a storyline about unwanted pregnancies, rapes, glass ceiling, menstrual cramps, etc.
Vast majority of female characters in videogames are male power fantasies, yet you still make a topic that you don’t like playing as them.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Or there is entertainment designed for everyone…actually vast majority of it.
Imagine you flip this around: “I’m white, I don’t like to play as a black person”. Sounds kinda racist, doesn’t it?

You mention female characters designed with female experience in mind - really? Show me where you have a storyline about unwanted pregnancies, rapes, glass ceiling, menstrual cramps, etc.
Vast majority of female characters in videogames are male power fantasies, yet you still make a topic that you don’t like playing as them.

Strawman arguments are your only method it looks like. Now you’re trying to paint me as a racist by simply making it up as you go along.

As for where femininity has permeated gaming… The Last of Us 2 is an easy one. That ruined one of the best games of all time for me. I have to pretend like the second one never came out.

Uncharted was pulled down by Nadine.

We swapped Killzone for Horizon and a world about a matriarchal society where men need permission to speak.

Making Kait the lead in Gears ruined the series and hence the need to do with the prequel.

The list goes on and on…