I loved Ghost of Tsushima... why am I not excited for Ghost of Yotei??

for now, anyway? i've pretty much had my fill of parry-based samurai games, thank you...

(i also, up to a point, enjoyed ghost of tsushima...)
 
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StereoVsn said:
Yeah, but you just know it's going to be performance mode with terrible Image Quality. Hopefully not but I am not super optimistic on optimization efforts now days.
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Why though?

Sony first party games this gen have all had high resolution 60 fps modes because they either make last gen games that are easy to run at 1440p 60 fps, or make next gen games without RTGI, nanite, or even software lumen that bring down the resolution in 60 fps modes.

This game looks to be the same. Last gen foliage, trees, and assets. No evidence of RTGI, nanite, or lumen. It's probably targeting native 4k 30 fps like Horizon FW, Ratchet, Spiderman 2, GOW Ragnroak, and Demon Souls. Of course it will run at 1440p 60 fps.

The only thing next gen about it is the draw distance but they can always reduce that for the performance mode. But other than that the actual Image quality in 60 fps mode should be fine. I mean why wouldnt it when it looks last gen like this. Ghost of Tsushima's PS5 version ran at 4kcb 60 fps. So a little better than 1440p. this should come in around 1800cb like HFW.

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Now there is a small chance that Sucker Punch has lost all their talent and for some bizarre reason, this game is really expensive on the GPU like monster hunter wilds, but i doubt it.
 
I was never really hyped for GoT, but I assumed it'd probably be great... bought it on day 1, loved it, played through the whole thing at least three times since it released.

I'm basically doing the same thing with GoY. I have yet to feel any particular hype for it, but I intend to play it on day 1 and I assume it'll be great. I just don't really care yet.
 
The problem with a female lead character in a serious story like this is you know they have to go out of the way to prove she's just as capable as a man is, in order to explain why she's so uniquely skilled.

A big chunk of the story must be devoted to this. She's not the average woman. How did she become as hardened as she is, how angry she's inside to become this way, etc. And that kind of story is so unappealing to me. It's the grim version of the mary sue formula.
 
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They decided to make that she-quel with a female protagonist. Not for some originality, historical accuracy or similar. They did it to push the usual agenda. And this basically tells me everything I need to know about that game.
Liked GoT, will be hard-skipping this one.
 
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People complaining about the girl character when that's probably the only good thing as it's atleast something different from the previous part.

The rest of the entire game seems just more content with no graphical bump. I'm guessing it'll be a bigger game with improved gameplay and an inferior plot. Same old, same old.

Besides, Tsushima was a very 7 out of 10 ubisoft polished game and was heavily rated by people who wanted SOMETHING to beat TLOU 2 for GOTY. It did not deserve a single digit above an 83 on metacritic and neither do the horizon games. (Ironically it was hades that likely came second for GOTY but complainers don't like indie games.)

Apart from Naughty Dog, who are atleast doing a different IP, all Sony is making are samey sequels, or superhero insomniac stuff.
 
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Im on the same boat, i liked tsushima, yet not one bit excited about this, the quality of the writing in sony sequels dropped quite alot in quality in the recent years.

I was disappointed with Tlou2's writting, with ragnarok, with miles morales and with forbidden west, didnt even bother with spiderman 2, thats where im at, almost indifferent

Also considering this has writters from veilguard and other trash games. gives me little to no hope
 
vpance said:
The problem with a female lead character in a serious story like this is you know they have to go out of the way to prove she's just as capable as a man is, in order to explain why she's so uniquely skilled.

A big chunk of the story must be devoted to this. She's not the average woman. How did she become as hardened aa she is, how angry she's inside to be become this way, etc.
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It's because if they don't do this and she is just extremely skilled for no reason, people will call her a Mary Su-…
vpance said:
It's the grim version of the mary sue formula.
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Oh. So showing her progress would still make her a Mary Sue?

This feels like an unsolvable riddle 🤔
 
I plan on waiting a fair bit to play it after its release; hopefully a Legends 2.0 co-op mode is confirmed with a new raid(s). That was some of the most fun I had on the ps4.
 
Same for me, OP.
I guess I'm having a Sony franchises fatique.

Loved GoW 2018 cannot pass the 4/5 hours mark in Ragnarok.
Liked Horizon: Zero Dawn and quitted both the expansion and the sequel after a couple of hours.
Didn't play a Ratchet since PS2 era, I was pretty curious about Rift Apart but it bored me to death and quitted at 40% circa.

I need more brand new stuff à la Returnal, I guess.
 
corgiix3 said:
IDK if its just feeling burnt out on the setting, them not marketing the game well, having doubts it will be improved over part 1, and suffering from boredom of yet another she-quel. Sucker Punch deservers the hype and they never disappoint. Yet i feel meh about this game.. anyone else in the same boat?
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I feel this 100 percent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to even buy it at this point and I got the platinum for GOT. I loved that game.
 
Once I finish DS2: On the beach, I'm very interested with this game. I hope it will be good. But what worries me is if the game will push or force any woke agenda especially pertaining to twisted gender ideology. The actress being an extreme leftist and activist is a bit of a red flag, but I hope she is just a model and her opinion did not influence the game development.
 
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It's because if they don't do this and she is just extremely skilled for no reason, people will call her a Mary Su-…

Oh. So showing her progress would still make her a Mary Sue?

This feels like an unsolvable riddle 🤔
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I don't think the problem is whether it's explained or not anymore, because it'll just be predictable empowerment/thirst for revenge fluff. That's the formula for the Mary Sues of today, to throw the audience that thinks about any of this stuff a bone.

The physical part can never be explained. One man army stories are always going to require suspension of disbelief, but I'd rather they just say she was blessed by Mr Popo and gained incredible combat skills, at least it would be less predictable.
 
Zathalus said:
Why would she be in hiding? The game takes place in 1603 in Hokkaido. Back then it was called Ezochi, translated to "land of the barbarians". It wasn't really considered part of Japan back then. The Edo shogunate took a hands off approach to the island and didn't interfere socially or politically. Especially not in 1603.
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I wasn't saying she was hiding. That was Sebastian1295 Sebastian1295 . He linked a source that said there were female samurai in history and for us to get over it. In his source it stated the information I presented. That was the extent of the interaction. I didn't know where this took place, and was only responding to the information found in his link.

There are no historical records of any female ronin or samurai in Hokkaido around 1603. Cultural norms at the time discouraged those roles for women. The main character is 28-30 years old. At the end of the Sengoku period (late 1500s), military roles became more professionalized and male-dominated. Keep in mind, if she was born in 1573 (the earliest she could have been born), she would have started training as an onna-musha around 1585. At that point Japan was nearly unified, Hideyoshi's land surveys and sword hunts disarmed non-samurai, and women were increasingly excluded from battlefield roles. It does not make sense that she would have begun training to fight at a point in time where onna-musha were on their way out. If she was Ainu (indigenous Japanese people), that makes even less sense as there are no records of female warriors among the Ainu people.

Having said that, it doesn't matter as much what the culture looked like at that time as long as the writers nail the backstory. While it is extremely improbable for their to be a female ronin/samurai under 30 in 1603, that doesn't mean it is impossible. If the writing paints an epic story, then who cares? If the story isn't great then people are going to scream DEI/woke. I'm not going to judge the game until there's more information. The developers have already given themselves an uphill battle for people who are tired of agendas being thrown in their face, but it isn't fair to judge the developers or this game based on a 30 second trailer that shows us nothing except that there's a female (and she has a wolf?).
 
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teokrazia said:
Same for me, OP.
I guess I'm having a Sony franchises fatique.

Loved GoW 2018 cannot pass the 4/5 hours mark in Ragnarok.
Liked Horizon: Zero Dawn and quitted both the expansion and the sequel after a couple of hours.
Didn't play a Ratchet since PS2 era, I was pretty curious about Rift Apart but it bored me to death and quitted at 40% circa.

I need more brand new stuff à la Returnal, I guess.
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Or Sony revive some OG Sony IP like Legend of Dragoon, Wild arms, alundra, Legend of legaia, disruptor, resistance , killzone, jax and daxter, sly, twisted metal, socom, warhawk, , colony wars, infamous, ape escape, and wipeout.
 
Prob a mix

1. Burn out on playing as female protagonists. Like I quite like it on occasion, but it now seems literally rare for it not to be in any narrative action adventures. It's like 90% women, like all the studios 6 years ago went "there's not enough female MC's, we should make our next game that"…but they all made that decision and didn't communicate with any other teams.

2. Sequel fatigue, it looks like more of the same, but minus the protagonist we grew to like. So kinda worst of both worlds.

3. Setting fatigue, as western AAA has been such a let down, Asia has been picking up the slack, but a very high percent of those games have a similar setting (tho often with fantasy elements), but we're over run with them now with many coming this year, some of which have more interesting looking worlds and mechanics.

4. Caution over Sony writing, they make good games, but the writing in their games has been taking a hit in recent releases.
 
It's sad how the modern girl boss has made people so apprehensive about female characters. I really hope they make her a great character Kill Bill style instead of like something from Nu-trek or Rey. Sucker Punch is one of my favourite studios so I'll keep my hopes up.
 
GoT suffered from the same thing as the last few AC games. Too many cut\paste objectives to clear off the map. Also by the time you filled out the skill tree you had waaaay too many ways to be unstoppable, which was fun but made the game completely unchallenging.
 
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I've never been into playing female characters, save for one or two games like Tomb Raider. But they are an exception not a rule. There's a good chance I won't be buying Witcher 4 either. It may be seen as petty and small minded but I can live with that. It's my money and my time. I have no ill feeling towards the games and hope they deliver the experience gamers are looking for.
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Pretty much exactly my thoughts
 
If it's anything like Spider-Man 2, it will be 90% recycled content. Or any other number of open world games that have sequels.
 
I really liked Tsushima, not waiting for Yotei. It's not just about the new protagonist or a likely DEI infestation and a downgrade in writing. Everything points to this being a typical Sony sequel with a ton of recycled stuff and I have enough after platinuming the base game and finishing its expansion.
 
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Cause the first game was way too repetitive and bland and playing essentially the same game again doesn't really feel fresh and exciting?

GoT was an okay game and it's definetely not the one that warrants a sequel IMO. There's only so much you can do in that setting without things getting stale and overdone.
 
I gaslit myself into thinking the sequel would be old man Jin fighting the second Mongol invasion. I don't know why but I had some really cool images of what it might look like and we'd have a conclusion to the Ghost's story.
So when this game was announced I admit I was a little disappointed.
Now that a story trailer has come out I wasn't that impressed either. But I'm still hyped to play it, if it's GoT but more I'll enjoy it nonetheless although I do think I won't be nearly as amazed by this game as I was by Ghost of Tushima.
 
begotten said:
Hype and interest feels similar to GoT, no one really cared about it or gave it praises until they were actually playing it.

There's a burnout starting to happen with all these Japanese setting games if there hasn't been one for awhile already.
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I think people need to be honest with themselves about what made GoT successful. It's a run of the mill (though extremely polished) Ubisoft type open world game, with very beautiful graphics and a unique setting (at the time of its release). Now we've seen a lot of copycats and other games using the setting and aesthetics, plus a ton of other games following the Ubisoft open world formula, and GoY really isn't doing anything to distinguish itself from the first game.

I don't think it needs to in order to be a solid release. It will be very successful and people will enjoy playing it. But unless it's extremely well done, it's not going to get anyone particularly excited and it probably won't win any GotY awards. There's nothing wrong with that, and it explains the muted reaction so far.
 
Denton said:
I liked Tsushima but didn't love it. Too much filler and ubisoftisis.
So I am not hyped for Yotei either. But I have an open mind and hope to be pleasantly surprised.
The dumbass actress is not helping either though.
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Agreed. I love the design of the world and sword play....thats about it. Hated the generic story, riddled with inaccuracies based on their obsession of one time line, while disregarding they are creating it about another event and didn't care for how bad the stealth elements in the game are despite it literally being named after those elements ie "Ghost" lol

Its still a day 1 for me, but I want to see more gameplay.

The actress doesn't change my view on the game as I separate anything like that from the game itself, if I played a fucking game based on if a voice actor or any staff had my views or not, no game would be played as we have games made by teams of thousands. I'm sure they have wild views that differ from my own, but that should have nothing to do with any enjoyment of a video game.

Denton, that is like saying I won't play Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 Henry out here doing sus things lol

Is the fucking game fun sir? That is all that matters to me. If you dig deep enough, I'm sure you can find any game where some voice actor or staff has some crazy view.

Xtib81 said:
Same here. I feel they missed the mark with this IP by staying in Japan (I'm personally tired of this setting). It could have been Ghost of.. and like AC, take place in a different region/era.
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Maybe, maybe not. Based on how they did with GoT, I feel they love the Edo period and are not done with that fandom just yet, keep in mind AC did a few games in the same place in the beginning too and only later on started doing different places.

So maybe this is their thing for a bit and by a 3rd or forth game we get a Ghost Of Rome or Ghost Of Egypt or Ghost Of Africa type thing.
 
Probably for the same reason I feel that way. The first game was excellent, a great standalone experience. I didn't feel like I needed a sequel. It was satisfying and didn't leave me wanting more.
 
I think it plays better than recent Ubislop games, which is why it largely got a pass for being so structurally similar. Repetition is less of an issue if what's being repeated is fun. The story and art style set it above most recent Ubislop too imo.

Nailing the fundamentals so well first time out boded very well for a sequel because they could focus their attention on taking it to the next level. It seems they had other priorities, but the potential was there for GoT2 to be something special I think.
 
First game never even clicked with me, bought it digital day one. Tried a few times to get into it but still nothing. Thought maybe I wasn't in the right mood, but now I've given up on it.

I realize the quality is there, it's no doubt gorgeous and seems to have solid combat, but just accepted that it isn't for me. I doubt the sequel will change my mind either
 
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