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knitoe said:
Why not better performance WD or Samsung?

Shot answer: It's complicated.

Long answer: I need a new computer. I want Sandy Bridge. I live in Jordan. I scoured all retailers in the city and only found a single i5-2500 CPU at one place, and the only compatible motherboard they have is the Intel DH67BL.

I'd like to buy all the PC parts from this shop so that I could benefit from combo discounts. I'm thinking of getting two smaller HDDs instead of single large one (to use a seperate HDD for Photoshop/Lightroom scratch disk). Ideally I would have liked three HDDs (one for OS/programs, one for scratch disk, and one for the photo library--supposedly a good setup to optimize performance and minimize I/O bottlenecks, particularly in Adobe Lightroom), but alas this Intel board has only two undoomed SATA ports.

500 GB per HDD seems like a sweet spot for my setup, and this retailer only stocks Maxtor and WD HDDs at this size. There's a considerable price difference between the two, and since I was never a fan of WD to begin with, I was considering the Maxtor.

I'm bitter that the CPU isn't the 2500K and that the motherboard isn't P67, but I'm in no situation to be picky. Hell I'm knowingly buying a board with 4 faulty SATA ports :(
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Pending the consultation and other methods I try, I will definitely send something their way. I just have to figure out how to word it without inflating it too much.
Well, after a conference call on the PS3 while LiquidMetal14 was in his Biostar UEFI, we have established the cause of his CPU not downclocking or the Vcore dropping at idle.

Biostar, for reasons known only to them, disables Speedstep when overclocking is enabled, so a change to the CPU multiplier fixes it to that value. This shouldn't really happen (it really should be optional), LiquidMetal14 has decided to e-mail Biostar to ask for the option of Speedstep to be enabled when using a custom multiplier.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Stop It is hereby my assigned PR spokesperson :p

I sent you a PM Stop It but more or less, the settings we messed with the last round of checks dropped the voltage to 1.296.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
No Speedstep when OC'ing? That's terrible.
Ecto311 said:
Yeah I understand this but it makes me cautious when the thing died so fast and intel has admitted to problems - related or not.


Is the $600 build in the OP still viable or was it going to be changed?
Viable. Those parts aren't going to change for a long time.
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Stop It is hereby my assigned PR spokesperson :p

I sent you a PM Stop It but more or less, the settings we messed with the last round of checks dropped the voltage to 1.296.
Heh, that's ironic, considering that my employer has just changed my job description to a "customer specialist". Apparently I am good at dealing with my customers :p

Anyway, as set out in my reply, as long as your PC is stable at that voltage (My i5 2500k is stable at 4.4Ghz at 1.3v so pretty much the same as that) you should be all set until Biostar (hopefully) comes up with a Speedstep fix.

Hazaro said:
No Speedstep when OC'ing? That's terrible.
Yes it is. A...nicely worded email has been composed to try to make Biostar see the error of their ways.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Hazaro said:
No Speedstep when OC'ing? That's terrible.
Horrible indeed. I sent an email that was to the point that basically said if other MB manufacturers can have this then it should not be an issue for the MB I have to get a bios revision to enable this. Thanks to Stop It, my voltage went down from 1.332 to 1.296 though. I hope BIOSTAR is on the ball and can at least let me know something within a few days.

It was typed nicely of course lol

And to be clear, I am very happy with the OC results outside of no speedstep. Stop It was an excellent chap. A true knickerbocker!
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Horrible indeed. I sent an email that was to the point that basically said if other MB manufacturers can have this then it should not be an issue for the MB I have to get a bios revision to enable this. Thanks to Stop It, my voltage went down from 1.332 to 1.296 though. I hope BIOSTAR is on the ball and can at least let me know something within a few days.

It was typed nicely of course lol

And to be clear, I am very happy with the OC results outside of no speedstep. Stop It was an excellent chap. A true knickerbocker!
Well, I hope Biostar manage to at least manage a reply, if not a swift resolution to your problems. Anyway, I was glad to be of service. As I stated during our conversation, as I missed the last generation of i series chips (Both Socket 1366 & 1156) I didn't feel able to help out in regards to how to make the most of the systems as I didn't own one myself.

At least now with Sandy Bridge, I can at least use my experience (of multiple BSODs, stress, and wondering just want settings done what and how) to advise others if they run into trouble. While I am no means a huge expert, and have even had people (hi knitoe) here help myself out, my experience in a customer services role has made me, if nothing else, able to help people out quite well.

On that note, if anyone has any specific SB queries, and doesn't mind being helped out by someone with a hilariously bad British accent, throw me a PM and I'll see what I can do.

Edit: Reading the above makes me want an Ice Cream, NOMNOMNOM

Dynamic3 said:
I'm going to be passing a Microcenter tomorrow, should I grab a 2500K or are retail P67 boards still a way off?
Has P67 been totally pulled in the US then? In the UK the boards are still on sale with the proviso that they can be returned when the fixed chipset boards are available? If you cannot buy a board, I would hold off until you can actually buy one before getting a chip, unless if you 100% intend on going SB.
 

antonz

Member
Stop It said:
Well, I hope Biostar manage to at least manage a reply, if not a swift resolution to your problems. Anyway, I was glad to be of service. As I stated during our conversation, as I missed the last generation of i series chips (Both Socket 1366 & 1156) I didn't feel able to help out in regards to how to make the most of the systems as I didn't own one myself.

At least now with Sandy Bridge, I can at least use my experience (of multiple BSODs, stress, and wondering just want settings done what and how) to advise others if they run into trouble. While I am no means a huge expert, and have even had people (hi knitoe) here help myself out, my experience in a customer services role has made me, if nothing else, able to help people out quite well.

On that note, if anyone has any specific SB queries, and doesn't mind being helped out by someone with a hilariously bad British accent, throw me a PM and I'll see what I can do.

Edit: Reading the above makes me want an Ice Cream, NOMNOMNOM


Has P67 been totally pulled in the US then? In the UK the boards are still on sale with the proviso that they can be returned when the fixed chipset boards are available? If you cannot buy a board, I would hold off until you can actually buy one before getting a chip, unless if you 100% intend on going SB.
It might be possible to find straggler stores but the intell recall seems to have been very near full. Cant even buy one of the boards if you want to acknowledging the bad ports
 
i want to upgrade my PC.. my brother said he would get me an iMac 27inch i5 BUT im not sure if that would be fast enough for the witcher or crysis 2, also if i go the route of a custom build should i wait for AMD's Bulldozer?

right now i have
Intel Dual Core 3.6
AMD 4850 GFX 1GHZ
4GB memory

I want either

an iMac or

Intel i7 Sandy Bridge/AMD Bulldozer
Nvidia GTX580
6GB memory

what should i do?
 

RedSwirl

Junior Member
Since I'm probably gonna settle on the 460, what is the best consensus I could get on how much wattage I need?

Currently I got 425w but people are giving me suggestions between that much and 700w. Someone also told me that my case will accept any "AX" PSU. Care to clarify?
 

Cday

Banned
mercenar1e said:
i want to upgrade my PC.. my brother said he would get me an iMac 27inch i5 BUT im not sure if that would be fast enough for the witcher or crysis 2, also if i go the route of a custom build should i wait for AMD's Bulldozer?

right now i have
Intel Dual Core 3.6
AMD 4850 GFX 1GHZ
4GB memory

I want either

an iMac or

Intel i7 Sandy Bridge/AMD Bulldozer
Nvidia GTX580
6GB memory

what should i do?

What is the dual core?
 
For some strange reason, updating my Ati drivers through Steam gave me a BSOD. But I downloaded them directly from AMD, and everything was fine.

Fuck Steam, man. :)
 

Cday

Banned
mercenar1e said:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775

One thing you could do is overclock it a bit more and get a 6950 or 560 Ti, which would run Witcher/Crysis 2 no problem and get a decent laptop or something.

Then again if your brother is willing to shell out get an i7 build.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
RedSwirl said:
Since I'm probably gonna settle on the 460, what is the best consensus I could get on how much wattage I need?

Currently I got 425w but people are giving me suggestions between that much and 700w. Someone also told me that my case will accept any "AX" PSU. Care to clarify?

I'm running an overclocked quad core Q8400 with a 460 and in games that really push both, I max out at around 250 - 260 watts on my Kill-a-watt measuring device. Assuming you don't have some weird motherboard that sucks wattage, you should be fine.

EDIT: This is a Earthwatts (rebadged Seasonic) power supply that's very efficient. Think it's around 85-90 percent at half load. So if it's an old power supply that's operating at around 65 percent efficiency, numbers would be significantly higher. But with a dual core, even that shouldn't be an issue unless you have a motherboard that sucks wattage.
 

coopolon

Member
mercenar1e said:
i want to upgrade my PC.. my brother said he would get me an iMac 27inch i5 BUT im not sure if that would be fast enough for the witcher or crysis 2, also if i go the route of a custom build should i wait for AMD's Bulldozer?

right now i have
Intel Dual Core 3.6
AMD 4850 GFX 1GHZ
4GB memory

I want either

an iMac or

Intel i7 Sandy Bridge/AMD Bulldozer
Nvidia GTX580
6GB memory

what should i do?

I personally don't think an i5 is enough of an upgrade to be worthwhile from an e8400 at 3.6. So I would wait until you can go i5-2500k.

That being said, you could pick up the 580 now and you'll still get a huge difference from that 4850 in most games.
 
mercenar1e said:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775

The E8400 is still a perfectly decent processor. I have the same one and just upgraded to a 6950 2GB and am gaming at 2560x1600. (I do have to turn down a few settings at that resolution, though). If you are gaming at a lower resolution, just a new GPU might work decently till the next Intel line/Bulldozer.

(And you will still get ~50-60$ for your 4850 on ebay. That makes it a ~200$ upgrade)
 

ZZMitch

Member
For anyone with random shutdown issues with their Nvidia 400/500 series cards check out this thread... it was a great help!

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=187401&st=0

This first thing I tried (moving my graphics card to my other PCI-E slot) worked perfectly so far!

Now I have to ask how much of a performance hit I would be receiving running at PCI-E x4 instead of x16?

If it is a lot I guess I will go back to my other PCI-E slot and try other fixes but since it is working good right now I am scared to do anything...!
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
I made a rig last year, but I'm going to build another one for 2011. I've decided that as I get busier and play less games, I'm upping quality. Next gen will probably only be PS4 + PC (I like Xbox, but PC + PS4 gets the most 3rd party coverage).

I'm going to put this new one in my living room. It also will be used for netflix & HD antenna captured video, and to play blu-rays (HBO stuff, general movies, no stupid mandatory ads). This replaces directv, so even though it will cost 2K it will pay for itself within 1.5-2 years. That's how fucking absurdly expensive live TV is these days.

This is going to be a pseudo high end machine. I've selected the following so far:
-Intel i7 2600 (don't care about overclocking so no 2600K)
-P67 B3 with the SATA fix when it's released. SATA 6 Gb/s
-Crucial C300 128 GB SSD (will add a secondary SSD in the future as they get cheaper)
-8 GB GSkillz something something RAM

Questions:
1. I'm disappointed with the increment between AMD 5850 and today's video cards. Hardly an improvement around 20% or so, or am I wrong? When does AMD 7xxx and Nvidia GTX 6xx come out?

2. Any internal BD drives that actually work? All of the reviews I'm reading have at least 10% of people giving the product 1 star because it doesn't work with several discs.
 

comrade

Member
ZZMitch said:
For anyone with random shutdown issues with their Nvidia 400/500 series cards check out this thread... it was a great help!

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=187401&st=0

This first thing I tried (moving my graphics card to my other PCI-E slot) worked perfectly so far!

Now I have to ask how much of a performance hit I would be receiving running at PCI-E x4 instead of x16?

If it is a lot I guess I will go back to my other PCI-E slot and try other fixes but since it is working good right now I am scared to do anything...!
Here's an article I found on it. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-express-scaling-analysis,1572.html

Benchmarks
 

antonz

Member
teh_pwn said:
I made a rig last year, but I'm going to build another one for 2011. I've decided that as I get busier and play less games, I'm upping quality. Next gen will probably only be PS4 + PC (I like Xbox, but PC + PS4 gets the most 3rd party coverage).

I'm going to put this new one in my living room. It also will be used for netflix & HD antenna captured video, and to play blu-rays (HBO stuff, general movies, no stupid mandatory ads). This replaces directv, so even though it will cost 2K it will pay for itself within 1.5-2 years. That's how fucking absurdly expensive live TV is these days.

This is going to be a pseudo high end machine. I've selected the following so far:
-Intel i7 2600 (don't care about overclocking so no 2600K)
-P67 B3 with the SATA fix when it's released. SATA 6 Gb/s
-Corsair C300 128 GB SSD (will add a secondary SSD in the future as they get cheaper)
-8 GB GSkillz something something RAM

Questions:
1. I'm disappointed with the increment between AMD 5850 and today's video cards. Hardly an improvement around 20% or so, or am I wrong? When does AMD 7xxx and Nvidia GTX 6xx come out?

2. Any internal BD drives that actually work? All of the reviews I'm reading have at least 10% of people giving the product 1 star because it doesn't work with several discs.

I have had the same issue with a BD Drive. I keep seeing all the doesnt work with newer disc reviews. Its apparently a firmware issue that seems hard to tell if they have even taken care of it. The LG model I see in stores doesnt even come up on LGs site as a model available
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
antonz said:
I have had the same issue with a BD Drive. I keep seeing all the doesnt work with newer disc reviews. Its apparently a firmware issue that seems hard to tell if they have even taken care of it. The LG model I see in stores doesnt even come up on LGs site as a model available

I'll probably defer the BD for later this year. I'll get a DVD RW ($20). I've got a PS3, but long term I want to centralize most media to this PC and use software to skip the 5 minutes of garbage at the beginning of a lot of movies.
 

ZZMitch

Member
comrade said:

Well it is a drop off, but it doesn't look too bad. I am just going to play it by ear and if I get annoyed by an FPS decrease I will look into it further.

I am currently completely addicted to Minecraft though so the difference is probably sometimes like 100 to 90 FPS anyway so what does it matter. I am just too scared to do anything because this is the first time I have had a stable build in around three months and I don't want to mess it up or anything!
 

Calm Killer

In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
I am looking into getting a video capture card. Any suggestions?
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Based on what I can tell, the AMD HD 7000 series were originally going to be the 6000 series but got delayed. Some rumors that the HD 7000 series will release by mid Summer. Guess I'll borrow my 5850 from my "main" PC until they release or Nvidia releases something better. Any complications with windows 7 activation and changing GPUs?

Edit:
Looks like Windows 7 is cool about it.
 
MWS Natural said:
I have a BIOSTAR TA790GX XE AM2+/AM3 Micro ATX Motherboard with an PHenom II 720BE x3 in it. Can I make a worthwhile upgrade to the processor?


Can I drop one of the newer Phenom II chips in here?
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
I have a Gigabyte Radeon 6950 2GB. I want to see if it would be wise to flash it to the 6970 bios for the performance gain. My idle GPU temps are about 49-50C. Under load they seem to go into the 80's. Is this generally ok for video cards? I was reading that the flashing will take the card into the lower 90's under high load. I just don't want to do something like this and mess up what I have.

OH and also, I am trying to do multiple monitors or outputs via my video card. When I plug in just the HDMI everything is great. I got a VGA to DVI connector so I can use my excisting VGA cable on my 32" LG LCD. I cannot get both displays to look as they should. I ended up going back to the HDMI on the smaller TV and if I really want to play it on my 42" Plasma, I will just have to switch. I thought it was going to be easier to get both screens to run without issue though. They both don't scale properly. I don't know if it's the converter or what.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
I have a Gigabyte Radeon 6950 2GB. I want to see if it would be wise to flash it to the 6970 bios for the performance gain. My idle GPU temps are about 49-50C. Under load they seem to go into the 80's. Is this generally ok for video cards? I was reading that the flashing will take the card into the lower 90's under high load. I just don't want to do something like this and mess up what I have.

From what I've read online, flashing to a 6970 bios is a bad idea. The 6970 voltages in the 6950 cards are leading to some broken cards.

The simplest, risk free thing is to use your own bios and just unlock shaders.
The next step is to overclock at default 6950 voltages to 6970 speeds. (You can OC to whatever temps you are comfortable with)
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
whatsinaname said:
From what I've read online, flashing to a 6970 bios is a bad idea. The 6970 voltages in the 6950 cards are leading to some broken cards.

The simplest, risk free thing is to use your own bios and just unlock shaders.
The next step is to overclock at default 6950 voltages to 6970 speeds. (You can OC to whatever temps you are comfortable with)
Using something like Rivatuner? Whatever the best app is I will try it. I'm not willing to push things too far with the GPU but a small boost with little risk would be a good start.
 

antonz

Member
Took the leap since I found a place with 1155 Boards in stock. Got a 2500K on the way with an ASUS P8P67-M PRO

Im using a Q9450 right now. Seems like I will get a decent boost though not nearly as much as alot of others. The Q9450 was one of those rare chips that overclocked rivaled the QX9770.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Using something like Rivatuner? Whatever the best app is I will try it. I'm not willing to push things too far with the GPU but a small boost with little risk would be a good start.

Then I would suggest just doing the shader unlock on a 6950 bios right now. I plan to do that sometime this week.
 

longdi

Banned
LiquidMetal14 said:
Using something like Rivatuner? Whatever the best app is I will try it. I'm not willing to push things too far with the GPU but a small boost with little risk would be a good start.

use trixxx from sapphire http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=2188502&postcount=88

it works great for single hd6900 cards, and it can set custom fan profile to tame the heat. very small memory footprint! very good!

or you can just overclock with amd overdrive inside ccc but it is limited to 840/1250 with hd6950 bios.
 
What is this about a performance penality for going up to 8GB RAM?

I'm debating whether to put 4GB, 6GB, or 8GB in my new setup (i5-2500, HL67, no discreet GPU).

Is it better to go with the largest single DIMM (i.e. 4GB) or to spread the total across smaller units?
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Naked Snake said:
What is this about a performance penality for going up to 8GB RAM?

I'm debating whether to put 4GB, 6GB, or 8GB in my new setup (i5-2500, HL67, no discreet GPU).

Is it better to go with the largest single DIMM (i.e. 4GB) or to spread the total across smaller units?

Best to go with 2 DIMMs total, rather than 4 DIMMs.

If you're on a budget, 4GB is more than enough. If you want to future proof, then it's not that much money to go up to 8GB, so it's not a bad idea either.

Since you're not overclocking though, the benefit of 2 DIMMs over 4 DIMMs is likely very small, so you could go 4GB and just add another 4GB in the future.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
LiquidMetal14 said:
I have a Gigabyte Radeon 6950 2GB. I want to see if it would be wise to flash it to the 6970 bios for the performance gain. My idle GPU temps are about 49-50C. Under load they seem to go into the 80's. Is this generally ok for video cards? I was reading that the flashing will take the card into the lower 90's under high load. I just don't want to do something like this and mess up what I have.

OH and also, I am trying to do multiple monitors or outputs via my video card. When I plug in just the HDMI everything is great. I got a VGA to DVI connector so I can use my excisting VGA cable on my 32" LG LCD. I cannot get both displays to look as they should. I ended up going back to the HDMI on the smaller TV and if I really want to play it on my 42" Plasma, I will just have to switch. I thought it was going to be easier to get both screens to run without issue though. They both don't scale properly. I don't know if it's the converter or what.
1) don't flash to 6970. Unlock fhe extra shaders and over clock.

2) 90 is apparently fine. My ATI CCC seems to have a fan profile that considers 90 degrees acceptable. It stays on low fan speed for ages and even at 87c the fan isn't runnig that fast. So don't worry too much about that temp. Alternatively try riva tuner or MSI afterburner to set up a more aggressive fan profile to keep the temperatures down. Warning, the 6950 is very loud at 40%+ fan speeds. Although I have a very quiet PC so you might not notice if you already have a noisy one



Stop it, do you have any good settings for over clocking an ASUS P8P67 motherboard with i5 2500k? Too many different settings confuse me, and i've heard the auto/muppet button tends to set high voltages?
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
LiquidMetal14 said:
I have a Gigabyte Radeon 6950 2GB. I want to see if it would be wise to flash it to the 6970 bios for the performance gain. My idle GPU temps are about 49-50C. Under load they seem to go into the 80's. Is this generally ok for video cards? I was reading that the flashing will take the card into the lower 90's under high load. I just don't want to do something like this and mess up what I have.

OH and also, I am trying to do multiple monitors or outputs via my video card. When I plug in just the HDMI everything is great. I got a VGA to DVI connector so I can use my excisting VGA cable on my 32" LG LCD. I cannot get both displays to look as they should. I ended up going back to the HDMI on the smaller TV and if I really want to play it on my 42" Plasma, I will just have to switch. I thought it was going to be easier to get both screens to run without issue though. They both don't scale properly. I don't know if it's the converter or what.
Read This Guru3d thread Ref shader unlocking on the 6950.

Also, get MSI Afterburner For overclocking, voltage control (possibly) and fan control to help with your temps if you want to keep them down a bit.
mrklaw said:
Stop it, do you have any good settings for over clocking an ASUS P8P67 motherboard with i5 2500k? Too many different settings confuse me, and i've heard the auto/muppet button tends to set high voltages?
What overclock are you going for? All CPUs are different, but as a rule of thumb, avoid anything other than Vcore and PLL to start with (although reducing PLL seems to be safe for <4.6Ghz) and try a small Vcore offset setting with a low/loose LLC setting (In your case, try Medium, or even regular)

I have just read the manual for the Asus P8P67 Mobtherboard, yikes that UEFI has a lot in it, and most of it is for extreme overclockers. Stick to the Vcore settings/LLC for now, get into Windows and load up CPU-Z and Intel Burn Test. The loading Vcore here is the key, so aim for as low as you can whiel keeping stability.

In my case, 4.4Ghz requires 1.3v, 4.5Ghz requires around 1.32v and 4.6Ghz requires 1.34v loading Vcore to be stable. As you can see it pretty much scales up the higher I go, and I don't want to go above 1.35v so I wont go any further. Again though, every CPU is different and every one will require different voltages to be stable, so it is a case of trial and error.
 
So here is my build attempt:

Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus, Black, Mid Tower Case w/o PSU (£40.97)
Asus P8P67 Pro, Intel P67 Express, S 1155, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 2200(OC), SATA 6Gb/s, SATA RAID (£120.67)
Intel Core i7 2600K "Unlocked" 3.4Ghz Quad Core, 8Mb Cache, Hyperthreading (£216.17)
Alpenfohn Matterhorn Performance CPU Cooler (£39.98)
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 DDR3 1600Mhz, CAS 9-9-9-24 (£73.12)
1GB EVGA GTX 560 Ti FPB, 850MHz GPU, 384 Cores, 4104MHz GDDR5 (£171.56)
600W Corsair 3XS Systems PSU (Single Graphics Card) (£45.50)
1TB Western Digital Caviar Black, SATA 6Gb/s, 64MB Cache (£56.29)
64GB Crucial RealSSD C300, 6GB/s, Read 355MB/s, Write 70MB/s (£74.15)
Pioneer DVR-S19LBK DVD Writer (£13.98)

It's a modified Scan 3XS build and comes with an overclock to 4.4ghz. I was considering going 16gb of RAM but have they say this might impact the overlock speed, how so?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Are those excluding VAT prices? Otherwise that 560 is a great price.

Interested to hear other comments about the SSD, didn't realise they were that cheap.
 
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