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"I need a New PC!" 2011 Edition of SSD's for everyone! |OT|
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blanky said:My labtop (Macbook '07) is reaching its end and I am going to upgrade one way or another in the summer. Either a 15' Macbook Pro or a windows desktop. I'll still need mobility so if I get a desktop I'll probably get a cheap laptop on the side.
I have a few concerns; I've gotten too attached to OS X and Macbooks, no more spinning disks we don't get along, and Battlefield 3 has to run niiice (which is impossible to predict right now I know).
To kill some time I configured this for 1.180 euros:
MSI N480GTX Twin Frozr II
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
ADATA SSD Adaptor Brackets for 3.5"
Intel® Core i5-2500K
Corsair CMPSU-650TX
Lian Li PC-7B Plus
Samsung SH-S223C
Crucial CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1
Intel® DP67BGB3
Kingston HyperX 4 GB DDR3-1333 Kit
For a screen I have an "old" Samsung 21'' and a Philips 30'' HDTV
So that or an 15'' Macbook Pro HD6750 with an SSD.
Anyone have some advice or critique?
thanks
You won't be playing BF3 looking anything like it does in the trailer with a laptop. They were running that on SLI dual or tri gtx580s iirc. Granted, that's not optimized, but there's only so much they can do with that.
480 is a terrible card, hot, powerhungry, and loud as all getout. If you're building just for BF3, wait, and buy awesome stuff for it before release.
LiquidMetal14
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I thought I read them say 1 580.mkenyon said:
To be honest I only put it together from knowledge I've gathered from browsing this topic and some other sites. I've never overclocked and will probably not try that either should I go for a desktop. I never even put a PC together myself, I only owned 1 pre-built Packard Bell. So ease, reliability and performance is what I'm looking for.
The 480 GTX is 280 euros, 580 is 460 but I don't really know which distributor to chooose (GIGABYTE, XFX, Club 3D, EVGA, etc etc). Hopefully the BF3 beta will help make a decision.
Thanks for the help so far
The 480 GTX is 280 euros, 580 is 460 but I don't really know which distributor to chooose (GIGABYTE, XFX, Club 3D, EVGA, etc etc). Hopefully the BF3 beta will help make a decision.
Thanks for the help so far
Nope.LiquidMetal14 said:
Fair enough, for some reason despite reading Twin Frozr, I was still gathering up all the ickey stuff about the 480 reference.TheExodu5 said:
Still though, GTX480 for BF3? Won't likely play it like the trailer. I mean, we don't know, but we do have an idea. A game coming out in... Q4 2011 and possibly 2012 won't be best played on a card from 2009.
blanky said:To be honest I only put it together from knowledge I've gathered from browsing this topic and some other sites. I've never overclocked and will probably not try that either should I go for a desktop. I never even put a PC together myself, I only owned 1 pre-built Packard Bell. So ease, reliability and performance is what I'm looking for.
The 480 GTX is 280 euros, 580 is 460 but I don't really know which distributor to chooose (GIGABYTE, XFX, Club 3D, EVGA, etc etc). Hopefully the BF3 beta will help make a decision.
Thanks for the help so far
Yeah if you can wait for the beta so we can get a better idea on performance.
And seriously: overclock. It takes no effort, and you'll bring your 3.2GHz 2500K to 4.6GHz without breaking a sweat.
Flying_Phoenix
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Motherboard has shipped!!!!!
bee
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mkenyon said:
when you actually use a 480 then you find that all the internet bullshit against the card kinda disappears (as the recent massive influx of cheap end of life buyers will no doubt testify to), the cards are no louder or hotter than the gtx2xx cards that preceded it, it was just the cards came out at a time when idiot reviewers used furmark to measure heat and noise levels. mine never went above 82c@800mhz@1013v and was the same noise level as the gtx 260 it replaced
paired with a sandybridge cpu the gtx 480 will play bad company vietnam at 1080p, max (no hbao), dx 11, 4xaa, 16axf with 3D vision enabled at an average of like 45-50fps no problems at all so to say the card wont run BF3 in 2D like the trailer with a hopefully optimized dx11 code path is just misinformation
it actually ran at 60fps at a LOT of the time with 3d enabled aka 120fps in 2D
blanky said:
You can get a $30 cooler that will manage with the overclocks no problem. Even the stock cooler can manage 4-4.4GHz, albeit at higher noise levels. Check out the Cooler Master Hyper 212+. It will take a bit more power, sure. Reliability shouldn't be an issue as long as you keep voltage levels at a reasonable amount. It might take you a few hours to get a decent overclock going, but really, we're talking about a 40% increase in performance for free.
The 580 is the best, period...but you definitely pay for it. The 480 and 570 are within 15% of the 580, for 70% of the cost. It all depends on your priorities, and your budget. If the 570 is a similar price to the 480, I'd definitely get that instead. If you want the best, then you can go with the 580, but that's your call as to whether or not it's worth it to you. I mean, it could make the difference in between 70 and 85fps, in which case it's probably not worth it...but if it makes the difference in between 50 and 60fps, then it's looking a lot better. It depends on the game, your wants, and your budget.
Yeah, but nothing extreme at all, just need to replace the CPU heatsink. Even a Coolermaster 212+ will do you well enough for a solid overclock. Increasing voltage on a chip reduces its lifespan, no question. That could be from 15 to 10 years, however.blanky said:
Yes, the 580 is the best single GPU card right now.
That's good to note, as I have no firsthand experience with the 480. Closest I have is a reference 465 running in my HTPC that I won at a LAN.bee said:
black_vegeta
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Which one did you buy?
EVO/PRO/Sabertooth?
Flying_Phoenix
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As far as motherboard is concerned, I'm only really interested in overclocking the cpu by changing the multipliers but I won't be changing around any voltages. So I don't think I need a super high end motherboard. Something in the $150 range is probably fine so I'm still not sure what to get.
black_vegeta
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Hellz yeah, I got the same.
Can't fucking wait!!! Now I can order the rest of my shiet!!!!!!!!
Flying_Phoenix
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black_vegeta
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Do these heatsinks make any difference in temp on these RAM sticks?
Or should I just buy RAM sticks without them?
Or should I just buy RAM sticks without them?
Flying_Phoenix
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black_vegeta said:
That RAM is way overkill.
Most people will say it's pointless to go beyond 4GB. But pushing 8GB to the limit isn't really all that worth it.
Just try to find a sub-$100 8GB RAM.
black_vegeta
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Cool, thanks
Flying_Phoenix said:
Nice, looking at it now. So I assume this includes the B3 stepping? I see it has crossfire support but I have an nvidia card so does that mean it doesn't do sli? I probably won't ever even try to get more than one video card.
Edit: The last ram I purchased was 2 gigs of DDR2 for about $120 bucks a few years ago. I have no idea what's out now other than DDR3. I'm going to have to do some research to figure out what ram is most efficient from the price I'm paying. I'll definitely be getting 4 gigs of ddr3 ram but as far as the speed I have no clue.
black_vegeta
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Deadstar said:
It does SLi as well.
I think I remember folks saying you want 1.5V RAM for 1155 boards, so look for DDR3 1600Mhz 1.5V. Anything there will do you well. DDR3 stays a *lot* cooler than DDR2 mem so the ridiculous heatsink thing isn't really necessary unless you're looking at OC'ing your bus and ram.
black_vegeta
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mkenyon said:
Does it have to be 1600MHz. What about DDR3 1333MHz? There about 20 bones cheaper.
Also, about the PSU...modular is the best way to go I take it?
Outdoor Miner
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SeaSonic X750 can be had on the Egg for $129.99 after an instant $30 off + a $30 promo code + free shipping (expires 3/13).
I'm months away from a new build but eff it I'm buying NAO. That is too friggin' sick a deal.
I'm months away from a new build but eff it I'm buying NAO. That is too friggin' sick a deal.
BloodySinner
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Ordered. I am fully CHARGED!
BloodySinner
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Hopefully you already have a CPU
I already have a CPU. A Phenom 955 that I bought many months back. When the parts arrive, I'll take it out along with my extra 1TB drive and put back the dual core that I had originally and give the current PC I'm using to my family.
BloodySinner
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On a side note, I fucking hate mail in rebates. Why not just give the discount on the spot or at least make it easy on the user to receive the credit? Sigh.
Flying_Phoenix
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BloodySinner said:
Because they hope you'll forget or will do it wrong so you won't get your money.
black_vegeta
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knitoe said:
thanks
Trojita
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Ordered a Sapphire 6950 2GB that I plan on flashing to 6970
Now I'm looking now to buy a new cooler for my Q9450 processor so I can overclock it. I'm thinking about buying The Dark Knight.
I'm also looking to buy potentially a wireless network card if it will perform better than the wireless adapter that I have now. I know the adapter is crappy most likely in and of itself (It's a wireless n adapter I borrowed from a coworker made by Rosewill) but I hear having a PCI card can give you better speeds (Though I have a hard time believing this because most people don't have a mb connection of 300mb unless that is another number altogether that determines just the speed of the signal going from your router to your compute) and a better signal range due longer and more than one antenna.
Now I'm looking now to buy a new cooler for my Q9450 processor so I can overclock it. I'm thinking about buying The Dark Knight.
I'm also looking to buy potentially a wireless network card if it will perform better than the wireless adapter that I have now. I know the adapter is crappy most likely in and of itself (It's a wireless n adapter I borrowed from a coworker made by Rosewill) but I hear having a PCI card can give you better speeds (Though I have a hard time believing this because most people don't have a mb connection of 300mb unless that is another number altogether that determines just the speed of the signal going from your router to your compute) and a better signal range due longer and more than one antenna.
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Urgh, I haven't kept up with prices / bang for buck at all. Don't need a gaming PC, but one for a store to use to power 4 TVs to display prices and information like that. So really just two GPUs (don't think there's any one card that can do 4 displays) and other just decent specs that will be quiet and low maintenance.
Halp? Canada.
Halp? Canada.
BlueScrote
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TheExodu5 said:Preferably, the fan should be on the side of the RAM, blowing air through the heatsink, to the back fan of the case. The convex side of the blades should be facing the RAM, and the concave side should be against the heatsink.
Made a quick diagram:
Thanks! that makes sense now.
Ended up ordering everything in my original post, except I dropped the short cable kit and changed PSU's to the Cooler Master M600 based on price/performance/quieter. Ordered the H50 (sorry InertiaXr) from Amazon to save a few bucks. Headed down to Dallas tomorrow to grab the 2500K and C300 SSD from Micro Center to save a few bucks.
I either just made a great decision or a really bad one, heh. More than five years on one system, though, is starting to take its toll. YouTube on an older Mac is a nightmare.
I either just made a great decision or a really bad one, heh. More than five years on one system, though, is starting to take its toll. YouTube on an older Mac is a nightmare.
I recently bought an Asus VG236HE 120hz monitor. The thing is beautiful and it's like they say, once you've tasted PC gaming at 120hz, there's just no going back. Unfortunately to really get the most out of these monitors you need to be able to have your games running as 80+ fps, and sadly my trusty HD4870 was no longer up to the task, especially at my new monitor's 1980x1020 native resolution.
So, out with the old 512MB HD4870, in with the new 2GB HD6950!
But when I tried to install it, I found there was a little problem. My case wasn't big enough!
Now I read that this card is big, and that you should be sure it will fit inside your case before ordering it, but I figured "I have a full size case - surely I needn't be concerned." Well shit. So now I'm thinking I have to go through all the trouble of sending it back and ordering a 560Ti or something instead. Shit would takes weeks, while my beautiful new monitor sits there chugging along at 40-60fps (gasp!).
The solution:
Glad I ordered an aluminum case all those years ago...
Ta-da!
Problem Solved!
I've got the extra shaders unlocked now and the core is rock solid at 930mhz at a fairly conservative 1.175v. I'm still trying to figure out the memory overclock though, whether it's stock 1250mhz, 1375mhz, or 1400+mhz, I'm not really seeing much of a difference in benchmarks.
So, out with the old 512MB HD4870, in with the new 2GB HD6950!
But when I tried to install it, I found there was a little problem. My case wasn't big enough!
Now I read that this card is big, and that you should be sure it will fit inside your case before ordering it, but I figured "I have a full size case - surely I needn't be concerned." Well shit. So now I'm thinking I have to go through all the trouble of sending it back and ordering a 560Ti or something instead. Shit would takes weeks, while my beautiful new monitor sits there chugging along at 40-60fps (gasp!).
The solution:
Glad I ordered an aluminum case all those years ago...
Ta-da!
Problem Solved!
I've got the extra shaders unlocked now and the core is rock solid at 930mhz at a fairly conservative 1.175v. I'm still trying to figure out the memory overclock though, whether it's stock 1250mhz, 1375mhz, or 1400+mhz, I'm not really seeing much of a difference in benchmarks.
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