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"I need a New PC!" 2011 Edition of SSD's for everyone! |OT|
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Zimbardo said:
The price/gb should be an indicator though; in the PC world, the more expensive the part the better (usually) it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47dt-y27eYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-M-3-ejxPs&feature=related
Linking WoW because of their ludicrous loading speeds on regular HDD. Second video should give you a good feel if you've played WoW during LK xpac.
yeah, that WOW yt video was pretty impressive comparing the regular hdd and ssd.
i don't play WOW ...but that was some long ass loading time.
my motherboard is the Asus P7P55D-E PRO ...
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=T2FxW2fXGZQgSn2V
...it uses the PLX chip to apparently not screw up your multi GPU performance when using USB3/SATA 3.
i'm currently using SLI'd gtx460 1gig cards ...so i would really hope that adding a SATA 3 device wouldn't make performance any worse with the graphics cards.
if it made it any worse at all, i'd stick with sata2.
i don't play WOW ...but that was some long ass loading time.
my motherboard is the Asus P7P55D-E PRO ...
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=T2FxW2fXGZQgSn2V
...it uses the PLX chip to apparently not screw up your multi GPU performance when using USB3/SATA 3.
i'm currently using SLI'd gtx460 1gig cards ...so i would really hope that adding a SATA 3 device wouldn't make performance any worse with the graphics cards.
if it made it any worse at all, i'd stick with sata2.
I'm about to pull the trigger on newegg, please advise:
Already bought on Amazon:
- CD Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
- Case: Fractal Design R3 Black
- Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" 64MB Cache
- GPU: ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
- PSU: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER
- Keyboard: LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard
- Mouse: RAZER DeathAdder Black
- RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model
- CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K
- OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
- Extra Fans: COOLER MASTER R4-S2S-124K-GP 120mm Case Fan (4pack)
- CPU Fan: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212+
Already bought on Amazon:
- MOBO: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe
Kyaw said:Maybe you would like to give me some of that spare money you got.
When you say the price doesn't justify the performance, you're saying that $100 is better spent elsewhere...and I'll say to you: probably not. If your budget already allows for a quad-core CPU and mid-range GPU, then that SSD is very well worth it.
No amount of upgrading is going to make your new PC feel significantly faster than your old Core 2 Duo in general Windows/browsing use. SSD is night and day.
The most beautiful part about using an SSD is that your PC stays very fast and responsive even after months of bloatware filling up your PC. Before, I would have to do some serious MS Config cleanup, or even a reformat to get my PC running as fast as it did on day 1. Now? Who cares. Let the bloatware pile up...I don't even notice.
That 850W PSU is a bit overkill for the parts you are buying. Unless you are planning on going SLI, i would go with 650w or 700w. But go ahead and order it if you dont mind it and have future plans. (It's really just a habit of mine to reduce costs in anything i buy )
@Exodu5: Fair enough, but for $100, i would rather spend it on a new case because it's the priority for me. It's more of a luxury thing for me though, SSDs.
)@Exodu5: Fair enough, but for $100, i would rather spend it on a new case because it's the priority for me. It's more of a luxury thing for me though, SSDs.
Corky said:
Well, if you value having faster hardware sooner, then yes, the initial phase of a serise of the best time. However, you may fall victim to new release bugs, such as the motherboard SATA issues that came with 1155.
If you were wondering when is best to buy a new PC...I'd say either now, since the B3 stepping boards and new SSDs are just coming out, or when either Ivy Bridge or the 25nm GPUs release.
Kyaw said:
I'm all for buying good cases...but if it means sacrificing that usability just for better maintainability, I'm not sure I agree.
If I had the choice in between an Antec 300 + SSD rig, or a Corsair 650D rig, I'd choose the Antec rig. Of course, if the SSD was in my upgrade path, then I might go with the 650D just because it's a more long term item.
So, I'm finally gonna replace my mobo with a B3 revision board this weekend... hopefully the reinstall goes well.
I'm thinking of buying an SSD as an upgrade, why not when I'm pulling my rig apart anyways... Aside from the OS, I'm planning to install some of the Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop and Illy) and Chrome on it.
60gb OCZ Vertex 2 -
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0339459
So, good idea? These are my current specs:
Asus P8P67 Deluxe
i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHZ (w/ CM Hyper 212+)
8gb Corsair XMS DDR3-1600
MSI Cyclone GTX 460 1gb
2TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 (drive that the OS and programs are currently installed on) + 1TB WD Caviar Green
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
I'm thinking of buying an SSD as an upgrade, why not when I'm pulling my rig apart anyways... Aside from the OS, I'm planning to install some of the Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop and Illy) and Chrome on it.
60gb OCZ Vertex 2 -
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0339459
So, good idea? These are my current specs:
Asus P8P67 Deluxe
i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHZ (w/ CM Hyper 212+)
8gb Corsair XMS DDR3-1600
MSI Cyclone GTX 460 1gb
2TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 (drive that the OS and programs are currently installed on) + 1TB WD Caviar Green
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
ExMachina said:
Definitely go for it.
Just as a forewarning: the Vertex 2 may come with either 25nm or 34nm memory. If you happen to get the 25nm variety, you may get robbed of half of the sequential performance, and some space. I know OCZ offers RMA in this case, but as long as the store is keeping new stock, you should hopefully get the 34nm drive (as the 25nm drive has been rebranded as a 50GB drive).
Sadly, there aren't too many good alternatives at this price point yet. The Corsair P3 series is $170, and the Intel G3 isn't out yet.
Akia said:
You mean you're upgrading from a Vertex 2? In that case, I'd say probably not, though it depends on your wants/needs.
What that Vertex 3 won't give you: faster OS/browsing speeds.
What a new 120GB SSD will give you: space to put on a few games, and potentially much faster loading of those games.
Personally, I have an 80GB Intel SSD, and I want more space. For that reason, I'm moving to a 240GB Vertex 3 SSD. This will result in about 4x the sequential read speeds, which is worth it for me since I plan on putting several games on there. My 80GB just doesn't quite cut it as it can only fit WoW + another game.
As for the Intel 510 vs. Vertex 3: the Vertex 3, easily. The Intel offers some nice sequential speeds, but that's about it. It doesn't even use an Intel controller, so I wouldn't even count on it as having the reliability of the G2 drive.
My thoughts on SSDs, once the new drives are out:
If you want a small OS drive (~60-80GB): Intel G3
If you want a large OS + games drive(~120-240GB): Vertex 3, and maybe the Corsair m4 if sequential performance isn't as important to you
If you want a moderately sized drive (~120GB) and cost is an issue: Intel G3, or discounted last gen drive (Crucial C300, or Vertex 2)
Flying_Phoenix
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The best thing about SSD is the lack of load times. Playing Darksiders on Steam and it literally has no loading. It takes me back to the days of SNES and Genesis.
Flying_Phoenix said:
This is where the new gen SSDs have the big advantage. Extremely high sequential speeds should help game loading by a lot. My Intel G2 isn't much faster than my HDD when it comes to games loading.
I'll try to do some comparisons once I get the new drive.
Kyaw said:
Aside from benchmarks, there are usually 2 main metrics used to measure SSD speeds:
Random read/write
Sequential read/write
Random read/writes refers to when the drive is making a lot of very small access. This is where SSDs have a huge advantage over HDDs, as SSDs don't have a physical needle to move around to access data. This is how a lot of OS accesses are done, and therefore SSDs provide a very large improvement over HDDs.
Sequential read/write refers to when the drive is making a very large access. This would be most common when loading a game, or very large files (such as Adobe Premier projects).
To give you an idea of performance, here would a rough performance approximation in between a high performance HDD (WD 1TB Black) and an SSD like the Vertex 3.
HDD Random Read: 0.955MB/s
SSD Random Read: 20-100MB/s (depending on how many accesses are queued)
HDD Random Write: 2MB/s
SSD Random Write: 110MB/s
HDD Sequential Read: 95MB/s average
SSD Sequential Read: 500MB/s average
HDD Sequential Write: 88MB/s average
SSD Sequential Write: 350-500MB/s average (depending on data compression)
Now, older SSDs like my Intel G2 are a little slower. Around 20/30 random read/write speeds, and 180/70 sequential read/write speeds. Even though the sequential speeds aren't amazing, the random speeds are still 20x faster than HDDs, making the system feel far more responsive when it comes to general OS navigation, browsing, and multitasking.
Baller. PhD
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Is it true that larger SSD's are faster than smaller? i.e. Vertex 3 240GB is faster than Vertex 3 120GB. If so, how much faster are we talking here?
TheExodu5 said:
Damn that a pricey little thing. Let me know if you notice much speed enhancement over the last gen. Thinking of grabbing a Vertex 3 to upgrade my 90gb Vertex 2. 90GB is just too small....
Baller said:
Yes, depends on what type of writes are happening, can be 2x as fast. Read speeds are generally the same.
Baller said:
It depends.
Some smaller SSDs have smaller caches, or less parallel data streams.
For the Vertex 3, the 120GB and 240GB models are the same speed. The 60GB model, I believe, has half the cache (not sure about parallel data streams). The read speeds are the same, but the write speeds are cut in half.
For the Crucial C300 family, it's 256GB > 128GB > 64GB.
For the Vertex 3, it's 240GB = 120GB > 60GB.
Not sure about the other makes. Usually you can just look at the advertised write speed to have an idea. If that fails, check reviews.
scogoth said:
I feel you. If it were a 120GB, I think I'd be fine. At least then I could fit WoW + Rift and maybe 2 games or so. My 80GB barely fits WoW + SC2, and I have to try to manage my space after that point (dealing with around 3GB-5GB of free space). This also reduces performance as the Intel G2 slows down quite a bit as it gets full.
The 240GB should be nice. I'll be able to fit WoW, Rift, and all the other occasional multiplayer games (SC2, CS, CoD, BFBC2), along with whatever singleplayer game I'm playing at the time, with ample room to spare. Looking forward to it.
Considering that the Vertex 3 basically maxes out the Sata 6Gb/s throughput, and it fits pretty much all the games I need to fit onto it, I don't think I'll need to upgrade for a long while. At least, not until SSD becomes mainstream and a 2TB drive is affordable.
mr2xxx said:
Only when it comes to sequential performance, which in my case, means faster games loading.
Kyaw said:
I would imagine it would be just as you'd expect. Whatever the lowest common denominator is. If you had 2 Vertex 3 drives, that would be the write speed.
I couldn't really imagine anyone buying two non RAIDed SSDs unless they were using them in an enterprise scenario.
Baller. PhD
Banned
TheExodu5 said:
Fuck yeah!
At first I was like
If it was faster I was going to have to buy it. Now I feel better about sticking with 120GB.
Yeah the 120GB is probably going to be the most popular option. Even enthusiasts are likely to get 2x 120GB drives and RAID 0 them. I decided not to bother with that though...I won't sacrifice drive life for a bit more performance. The drives are fast enough as it is.
Really, the 240GB drive is just a luxury.
Are you talking about the Vertex 3? It's gotten nothing but extremely positive reviews. Even the Vertex 2 has been great, aside from the rather blunderous 25nm fiasco, which hurt OCZ's reputation a great deal.
If reliability is your prime concern, check out either the current Intel G2 (aka Intel X25-M), or upcoming G3 (aka Intel 320).
Really, the 240GB drive is just a luxury.
Sarcasm said:
Are you talking about the Vertex 3? It's gotten nothing but extremely positive reviews. Even the Vertex 2 has been great, aside from the rather blunderous 25nm fiasco, which hurt OCZ's reputation a great deal.
If reliability is your prime concern, check out either the current Intel G2 (aka Intel X25-M), or upcoming G3 (aka Intel 320).
^it should be shipping. Retailers were supposed to be getting stock today.
The Revodrive doesn't support TRIM, making it a worse candidate than the Vertex 3 240GB. 120GB RAID 0 Vertex 3 should outdo the Revodrive X2 by a good margin, as the single Vertex 3 is almost equal in terms of performance.
I didn't even consider the PCI-E drives since I'm running 2x GTX 570s. I'm not running my primary OS drive right next to my 85C 300W video card!
scogoth said:
The Revodrive doesn't support TRIM, making it a worse candidate than the Vertex 3 240GB. 120GB RAID 0 Vertex 3 should outdo the Revodrive X2 by a good margin, as the single Vertex 3 is almost equal in terms of performance.
I didn't even consider the PCI-E drives since I'm running 2x GTX 570s. I'm not running my primary OS drive right next to my 85C 300W video card!
Wanted to ask something quick, see what you guys thought.
i7 2600 + Radeon 6950 2GB
or
i5 2500 + Radeon 6870 1GB + 128GB C300 SSD?
Those are not all the changes I would make from one build to another, but probably the most significant ones. This is going to be used for gaming (not that much) and programming. (Three monitor set up is a must.) Just wanted some opinions, really unsure about which to choose. Oh, and this will probably be bought tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.
i7 2600 + Radeon 6950 2GB
or
i5 2500 + Radeon 6870 1GB + 128GB C300 SSD?
Those are not all the changes I would make from one build to another, but probably the most significant ones. This is going to be used for gaming (not that much) and programming. (Three monitor set up is a must.) Just wanted some opinions, really unsure about which to choose. Oh, and this will probably be bought tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Anandtech will post its definitive Vertex 3 review (final firmware/memory) later tonight.
Sarcasm said:
Yes. The sequential speeds are very slightly lower, but Intel reliability is second to none.
edit: nvm, had that backwards. Intel sequential speeds are actually slightly higher. QD=3 random speeds are about half of the c300, but this doesn't translate to much in real world usage.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
TheExodu5 said:
Too bad I had to make a build not too long ago and couldn't wait.
Though I was able to grab a new 120GB Vertex 2 on the cheap ($174).
I'll just wait a few years when I grab the Vertex 4 or 5.
TheExodu5 said:
My sequential read is still 3 times faster than the average HDD!
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